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Post by Confessor on Nov 1, 2016 7:22:04 GMT -5
I've been reading some early '80s issues of Peter Parker: The Spectacular Spider-Man recently, mostly written by Bill Mantlo. I really love this era of that title -- especially the Cloak & Dagger issues -- and I think that the art team of Ed Hannigan and Al Milgrom is vastly underrated. Milgrom's inking in particular often gets short shrift in the forum, but I think his work is usually really good and it certainly looks great on the pages of PP:SSM. In particular, the penciller and inker's work together on issues #64, #69 and #72 is superb.
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Post by hondobrode on Nov 2, 2016 13:59:56 GMT -5
A couple of years ago I saw a complete run of PP:SSM and the price was surprisingly higher than I would have figured. Seeing all those issues in a display side by side really drove home what you said. Milgrom has grown on me over the years. I might pick up that same run later. Mantlo's Spidey was fun. Started this on Comixology last night but didn't finish it. Joe Mad's work is ... unique ... but I was willing to give it a try. Not my thing, but I know this series was popular with some people almost 20 years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 14:51:49 GMT -5
Started this on Comixology last night but didn't finish it. (Battle Chasers image) That's Ok, Joe Mad never finished it either.... -M
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Post by hondobrode on Nov 2, 2016 14:54:46 GMT -5
Never could figure that out
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 14:57:50 GMT -5
Never could figure that out He was too busy playing video games to actually put time in at the drawing baord. Then he formed a studio to do video game design work instead of comics and dropped all his comic work like a hot potato until his studio work wnet dry, then he came back to comics a few years ago. He keeps threatening to finish Battle Chasers...er I mean promising, but I don't think any one is interested 20 years alter... -M
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Post by brutalis on Nov 2, 2016 15:10:45 GMT -5
I've been reading some early '80s issues of Peter Parker: The Spectacular Spider-Man recently, mostly written by Bill Mantlo. I really love this era of that title -- especially the Cloak & Dagger issues -- and I think that the art team of Ed Hannigan and Al Milgrom is vastly underrated. Milgrom's inking in particular often gets short shrift in the forum, but I think his work is usually really good and it certainly looks great on the pages of PP:SSM. In particular, the penciller and inker's work together on issues #64, #69 and #72 is superb. I have always enjoyed Milgrom's inking and pencil work. While his style is not overly stylized or stunningly dynamic he always deliver's a professionally performed work. His inking never overwhelmed the pencil art and many times he helped make a mediocre artist look better. I place Milgrom in the Jim Mooney and Frank Springer realm of capable draftsmen which the companies and us readers could always count on to deliver a well done job. Never was there an issue from Milgrom I could look at and throw it away or say it was garbage. A very underrated artist, inker and editor who should deserve more praise.
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Post by Confessor on Nov 2, 2016 16:19:33 GMT -5
I've been reading some early '80s issues of Peter Parker: The Spectacular Spider-Man recently, mostly written by Bill Mantlo. I really love this era of that title -- especially the Cloak & Dagger issues -- and I think that the art team of Ed Hannigan and Al Milgrom is vastly underrated. Milgrom's inking in particular often gets short shrift in the forum, but I think his work is usually really good and it certainly looks great on the pages of PP:SSM. In particular, the penciller and inker's work together on issues #64, #69 and #72 is superb. I have always enjoyed Milgrom's inking and pencil work. While his style is not overly stylized or stunningly dynamic he always deliver's a professionally performed work. His inking never overwhelmed the pencil art and many times he helped make a mediocre artist look better. I place Milgrom in the Jim Mooney and Frank Springer realm of capable draftsmen which the companies and us readers could always count on to deliver a well done job. Never was there an issue from Milgrom I could look at and throw it away or say it was garbage. A very underrated artist, inker and editor who should deserve more praise. Yeah, the comparison with Jim Mooney is well deserved. He's another inker of that era who really doesn't get due respect for his ability and draftsmanship. If memory serves, Mooney actually took over from Milgrom on Spectacular Spider-Man too. A couple of years ago I saw a complete run of PP:SSM and the price was surprisingly higher than I would have figured. Seeing all those issues in a display side by side really drove home what you said. Milgrom has grown on me over the years. I might pick up that same run later. Mantlo's Spidey was fun. Yeah, I really liked Mantlo's Spectacular Spider-Man stuff and Roger Stern was also doing great work in the pages of Amazing Spider-Man at around the same time. The early '80s was a great time to be a Spider-Man fan.
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Post by hondobrode on Nov 2, 2016 16:21:42 GMT -5
Never could figure that out He was too busy playing video games to actually put time in at the drawing baord. Then he formed a studio to do video game design work instead of comics and dropped all his comic work like a hot potato until his studio work wnet dry, then he came back to comics a few years ago. He keeps threatening to finish Battle Chasers...er I mean promising, but I don't think any one is interested 20 years alter... -M If you have something good, like Mad had with Battle Chasers, you need to bear in mind that it's not in a vacuum i.e. nothing stays the same. You can't necessarily go back later. It's more rare to pull off than not. I'm sure the video game money was probably phat, but long term he could have brought in some other creators to help with the franchise. Not saying it could've been another Hellboy, but I'm sure it could've at least gone further, maybe a year or two, or more. Who knows.
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Post by hondobrode on Nov 2, 2016 16:25:52 GMT -5
I have always enjoyed Milgrom's inking and pencil work. While his style is not overly stylized or stunningly dynamic he always deliver's a professionally performed work. His inking never overwhelmed the pencil art and many times he helped make a mediocre artist look better. I place Milgrom in the Jim Mooney and Frank Springer realm of capable draftsmen which the companies and us readers could always count on to deliver a well done job. Never was there an issue from Milgrom I could look at and throw it away or say it was garbage. A very underrated artist, inker and editor who should deserve more praise. Yeah, the comparison with Jim Mooney is well deserved. He's another inker of that era who really doesn't get due respect for his ability and draftsmanship. If memory serves, Mooney actually took over from Milgrom on Spectacular Spider-Man too. A couple of years ago I saw a complete run of PP:SSM and the price was surprisingly higher than I would have figured. Seeing all those issues in a display side by side really drove home what you said. Milgrom has grown on me over the years. I might pick up that same run later. Mantlo's Spidey was fun. Yeah, I really liked Mantlo's Spectacular Spider-Man stuff and Roger Stern was also doing great work in the pages of Amazing Spider-Man at around the same time. The early '80s was a great time to be a Spider-Man fan. Very true. Uncle Rog is always a good read, and I've never been a huge Spidey fan, but really liked his run.
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 2, 2016 17:04:18 GMT -5
I've been reading some early '80s issues of Peter Parker: The Spectacular Spider-Man recently, mostly written by Bill Mantlo. I really love this era of that title -- especially the Cloak & Dagger issues -- and I think that the art team of Ed Hannigan and Al Milgrom is vastly underrated. Milgrom's inking in particular often gets short shrift in the forum, but I think his work is usually really good and it certainly looks great on the pages of PP:SSM. In particular, the penciller and inker's work together on issues #64, #69 and #72 is superb. I have always enjoyed Milgrom's inking and pencil work. While his style is not overly stylized or stunningly dynamic he always deliver's a professionally performed work. His inking never overwhelmed the pencil art and many times he helped make a mediocre artist look better. I place Milgrom in the Jim Mooney and Frank Springer realm of capable draftsmen which the companies and us readers could always count on to deliver a well done job. Never was there an issue from Milgrom I could look at and throw it away or say it was garbage. A very underrated artist, inker and editor who should deserve more praise. Wow. I guess there's an artist for everyone. I thought Milgrom ruined many a book that i followed ( Avengers, WC Avengers). I will admit that he did nice work in the Bronze age Captain Marvel run and this PPSS run.
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Post by brutalis on Nov 2, 2016 17:24:39 GMT -5
There are plenty of people in the world who blast many artists and writers (this covers all creative arts) in the world of comics and i try very much to NOT be one of those. Any artist or writer of a comic book was doing a paid professional job that i cannot judge for the simple fact i have never been a printed paid for artist/writer so who am i to say nasty things of them? I can judge solely based upon my own taste and personal preferences so i deliberately avoid criticizing when they are doing something i am incapable of duplicating. That doesn't say that all creator's didn't do work which was/is less than their best but i recognize their efforts to provide us such comic delights on a sometimes short and fragile time frame and/or that each creator has their own style which wasn't suited to what they were doing. I can appreciate the effort if not the actual product. Everybody has off days, and writers and artists are not immune to this. While i may enjoy one versus another there is no value in promoting my views over something and/or someone else's paid for professional service especially to demean or put down what they have done. Over time many have endured and suffered such abuse; Kirby, Ditko, Heck, Tuska, Colletta and the list continues on through to current creators but i love comic books and for every poor comic i buy there are that many more fantastic one's. I would rather spend my time singing the praises of comic books that complaining about them
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 2, 2016 20:50:15 GMT -5
Well, this is a forum where people discuss -comics , stories , artists and everything that comes with it. There have been a few artists and writers that I enjoyed that others have hated. I try not to get my knickers in a bunch over it. And I'd wager that you too , have had a negative thing to say about a few in the industry over the years.
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Post by Spike-X on Nov 2, 2016 23:56:57 GMT -5
Probably a bit late for this, but shouldn't it be, "Which classic comics..."?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 0:19:13 GMT -5
Probably a bit late for this, but shouldn't it be, " Which classic comics..."? ah, but... -M
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Post by Confessor on Nov 3, 2016 12:03:29 GMT -5
Probably a bit late for this, but shouldn't it be, " Which classic comics..."? "Which" or "what" are both grammatically correct in this instance, I believe. "Which" would probably be the preferable choice, since we are talking about a specific group of things (i.e. classic comics), rather than asking about all comics (in which case "what" would be the better choice). However, the thread title is speaking informally to a group of friends and, as such, you can usually replace the usage of "which" with "what" -- when asking someone to make a choice between a group of items, like classic comics -- and still be fine grammatically.
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