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Post by Reptisaurus! on Sept 1, 2017 19:22:15 GMT -5
Reading through a collection of Silver Age Batman/Superman stories, staring from 1954.
Man, '50s Curt Swan does not even look like Curt Swan to me. I never woulda guessed it was him.
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Post by spoon on Sept 1, 2017 21:14:22 GMT -5
My journey through a bunch of Captain America TPBs continues. In my last post, I left off with Captain America #320. I've remaining issues of the Justice is Served TPB: Captain America Annual #8, Captain America #321-332, and Marvel Fanfare #31-32.
I'm reading most of these issues for the first time, but Annual #8 is one that I read probably just a couple years after it came out. That's the famous Mike Zeck illustrated issue where Cap battles, and then teams up with, Wolverine. Back when I first read it, I thought Wolverine was treated poorly. But re-reading it now, Cap comes across as bossy and Wolverine comes across as more sympathetic in light of it. That's weird since it's Cap's book with his regularly writer. It's a pretty good issue in terms of action and the contrasting personalities. There is a bizarre caption claiming that Wolverine can carry an adult man and run 10 miles at 4 minute per mile pace. Uh . . . no. Zeck's art is really, particularly when it comes to action sequences. It's a stark reminder of how the art dropped off when Paul Neary replaced Zeck as penciler.
Maybe that's why Zeck becomes the cover artist with the next issue of the monthly #321. That issue introduced Ultimatum (or should I say U.L.T.I.M.A.T.U.M., because their name is an unwieldy acronym) as minions for the Flag-Smasher. Ultimatum members dress predominantly in white, with some black as well. They also carry Uzis, and wear berets, wrap-around sunglasses,and popped collars, because all those things were considered cool in the mid to late 1980s. The issue contains one of the most pivotal moments of the TPB. While trying to free dozens of hostages, Cap throws his shield away. One of the thugs starts gunning down the hostage. Because he is far away and without his shield, Cap shoots and kills the Ultimatum terrorist to prevent him from killing many more hostages.
Cap's fatal decision gets out to the media and plagues him in the issues that follow. Some people are scared that Cap will kill them. Others take the wrong message, and perceive Cap's stamp of approval on guns and killing as a preferred tactic rather than a last resort.
The Super-Patriot is introduced in #323. As many of you probably know, he goes on to become an enduring character under some other aliases. S-P aims to take over Cap's role as the symbol of America, and at this point his main goal seems to be financial gain. S-P takes out a bunch of supposed Cap acolytes, the Bold Urban Commandos (or Buckies), who are secretly Super-Patriot's confederates.
#324 is a curious issue that seems like a just a transitional issue or a throw-away, with Cap fighting the Trapster and Whirlwind. Gruenwald is usually credited as "writer", but he's just credited for "script" (with no one credited as plotter) in this ish. A subplot re-introduces Nomad, who is sporting an ugly handlebar mustache for some reason. The issue ends with Nomad shaving the stache to go undercover as a minion aboard the yacht of Miami crimelord Ulysses X. Lugman, a.k.a. The Slug.
The Slug is morbidly obese and sedentary. He makes the Kingpin look like a supermodel. I think I fall in the middle of the spectrum in the "fat acceptance" debate, but Nomad's attitude toward The Slug is stunning. There are a couple of thought balloons in which Nomad, upon seeing the Slug for the first name, decides he is so physically repulsive that he must die. It may sound like I'm kidding, but I'm not. The arc features a dark turn for Nomad, as he engineers a fatal fire on the yacht, but tells Cap he doesn't know how the fire started. Nomad and Cap go their separate ways, and Nomad's new bloodthirsty behavior isn't immediately addressed.
#326 is a callback to the Death of the Red Skull arc and several other deaths of villains. Marvel Fanfare #31-32 features Cap dealing with wannabe sidekick Frog-Man and battling Yellow Claw in a story by J.M DeMatteis and Kerry Gammil. It's an offbeat change of pace from the stories in Cap's own title, but I was expecting a bit more from DeMatteis's return to writing Cap.
In #327, Cap visits his girlfriend Bernie Rosenthal, who is studying law in Madison Wisconsin. It initially seemed that Bernie was being totally written out. Now, she's back with a short, edgy 80s haircut. For now, it's a long-distance relationship, with Bernie appearing mostly in cameos talking with Steve by phone. This is issue is remarkably timeline as the Buckies foment a hate campaign against immigrants, particularly Arabs. Because of the Buckies, many of the bigots get the false impression Cap is on their side. Later, Cap fights the Super-Patriot to a standstill outside of a rock concert. It turns out S-P has enhanced strength, and Cap worries that S-P's claim that Cap is obsolete may be correct.
Cap's concerns set up the next arc in which Cap seeks out the source of S-P's strength by looking into the role of the Power Breaker in giving enhanced strength to members of the Unlimited Class Wrestling Federation. I haven't read the Thing's solo title, but I know some of its characters/themes are used in this arc. Cap gets a new temporary sidekick in Demolition Man, who is one of the wrestlers. D-Man sports a costume which is a combo of Daredevil's original costume and a Wolverine-like headpiece, and his eagerness allows for an entertaining interplay with Cap. During the arc there are also appearances by Dr. Karl Malus, the Sharon Ventura version of Ms. Marvel (who Gruenwald repeatedly has oblique mentions of being tortured/mistreated while in captivity), and the Shroud and the Night Shift. I knew the Night Shift as adversaries of the West Coast Avengers in later years, but here they're shown as villains the Shroud manipulates into foiling other villains. The members are mostly horror-themed, and there are way too many of them for the story to flow smoothly. The arc ends with a cheesy U.S. military-sponsored villainous super-soldier named G.I. Max. Noting that he had recently face Nuke (in Daredevil's Born Against arc), Cap is concerned about what the government is doing with enhanced humans.
Paul Neary's art is really dependent on the inker. He paired well with Dennis Janke, but not as well in these issues with John Beatty or Vince Colletta.
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Post by spoon on Sept 1, 2017 22:05:38 GMT -5
The last issue of the Captain America: Justice is Served TPB is the crucial #332. Cap is summoned to the Pentagon by a commission of national security officials. They insist that Cap's costume, shield, etc. are government property, and he should operate under tight government control rather than autonomously. Cap is concerned about their judgment in light of how destructive government super-soldiers Nuke and G.I. Max were and worried about losing his independence. Cap asks for and receives 24 hours to mull over his decision. Cap spends the day moping around his hotel room, calling his pals for advice. With Cap oblivious to the outside world, a terrorist named Warhead parachutes on to the Washington Monument threatening to detonate a nuke. You'd think someone on one of those calls would tell Cap what the heck's going on in D.C.! Warhead ascribes to the "rally round the flag" school of thought that nothing make America as great as attacking another country. His plot is to use the nuke to blackmail the government into starting a war with a foreign country; he doesn't really care which one. He's convinced that the lack of major war since Vietnam has made America weak, and Warhead wants to make America great again.
While Cap mopes, the man of action Super-Patriot springs into action and knocks Warhead off the Monument. But Gruenwald is not shy about being gruesome, so Warhead uses a grenade to commit suicide before he can hit the ground. The next morning, Cap decides to resign and turns in his shield and uniform.
Now, I've just started the Captain America: The Captain TPB. It also includes #332, so I skip to #333. If I'm not mistaken, Steve Rogers doesn't show up at all in this issue. That means that the Commission, which is revealed to include Henry Peter Gyrich (thorn in the Avengers side) and Valerie Cooper (known for appearances in X-Men, and in years in the future, as the head of an incarnation of X-Factor). The commission decides not to offer the Captain America job to various established heroes. Instead, they want a fresh face they can mold. Hey, who's that dude on the front page of the Washington Post for saving the Washington Monument?
After the Super-Patriot does a talk show appearance, a couple federal agents invite him to meet the commission. First, he meets Valerie Cooper one-on-one. S-P unmasks and finally reveals his name, almost a year after his first appearance. He's John Walker, a Southern who talks about how he loves America and joined the military to emulate an older brother who died in Vietnam. After his discharge, he got super-strengths from the Power Broker, and decides to pay off his bill by monetizing a new identity as a patriotic hero. Val offers Walker the Captain America job (pending a background check of course). S-P hesitates at assuming the identity at first, because he spent the last few months publicly slamming Cap, and now he's going to make people think he is Cap. But what the heck! It's a great job!
S-P's business managers and his pals, the Buckies, think it's a great idea . . . as long as there's cash and jobs in it for them. Walker meets the Commission the next day. He's passed the background check, because apparently being a money-grubbing, roided-up sociopath is not disqualifying. Walker gives the commission the requests from his manager the three Buckies. The commission will consider the requests. Yup. S-P is taken to a locker room by Val Cooper to change into the Captain America uniform. It's a tight fit because Walker is a giant roid-head. Val wears a dress with a Power Girl-style boob window. I don't know if that's just her personal style or if it's supposed to be a selling point to Walker. But Walker probably won't like Val as much now, because she introduced three members of Freedom Force (Pyro, Avalanche, and the Blob) to spar with the new Cap.
Walker holds his own for a while. But then Blob is about to choke the life out of Walker until Val returns to tell him not to kill the new symbol of America. Val asks Walker if he learned anything from the sparring session. Walker is like, "Yeah, those guys are tough." Val is like, "No, dummy. You need to use your shield to do a good job as Cap. Go watch some game tape of the old Cap." Okay, I'm not paraphrasing.
Days later, the commission admits that they're only willing to accept a small bit of Walker's terms. He'll have to drop his manager, and he can only bring one of the Buckies into the fold. Walker isn't going to give up the chance to be Captain Freakin' America just to help out his crew, though, so he takes the deal.
And that's where I left off; #334 is next!
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Post by Nowhere Man on Sept 2, 2017 15:12:23 GMT -5
I think this was a pretty good adaptation of The Tower of the Elephant with the exception of the depiction of Yara. Smith draws him has a generic looking wizard, bald with gray hair, in a dull green robe. I always envisioned Yara looking more Asian in appearance, sorta of akin to the Mandarin from Marvel Comics.
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Post by Hoosier X on Sept 3, 2017 11:46:34 GMT -5
I'm not sure I've ever read a comic book with a more misleading title. My niece has becomes a major Spider-Man fanatic since the movies came out and she decided to go online and read the comic book! Yay! But she somehow got sidetracked to the 2000 series Ultimate Spider-Man. Boo! (She has been binge reading and she will probably be finished with the 130-some issues in a week or so. She says when she's done, she's going to read the REAL Spider-Man. I let her borrow my beat-up copy of Amazing Spider-Man Annual #1 so she'll know what art style to look for.) I decided to have an open mind and read Ultimete Spider-Man #1 and, if it wasn't awful, I'd keep reading. It was pretty awful. When you open the book, the first thing you see is Norman Osborne and he seems to be personally irradiating the spider that is going to bite Peter a few pages hence. That's right, the facility that is hosting Midtown High's field trip is owned by Norman Osborne and he is personally involved with experiments where spiders are subjected to raciation and one of them gets loose and bites Peter Parker. And then Osborne is on just about every page because he's worried about being sued and he sends someone to spy on Peter and then he tries to have Peter killed. I really hate the way that Norman Osborne has taken over the Spider-Universe. I won't even read Spider-Man comics any more just because I might have to come across a Norman Osborne appearance. So a comic book where his presence is on every page is a hard-sell for me. In this book, he's so awful and cynical and manipulative, he's really not even believable. The other major problem is how they handle Mary Jane. She's right there from the first, next to Peter when he gets bitten by the spider. So that means this is a Spideyverse where Amazing Spider-Man #42 can't happen, where Peter doesn't meet MJ after years of avoiding her and barely missing her and then finally discovering that Anna Watson's niece is a knockout! No. A Spideyverse where "You've hit the jackpot!" never happened is not "Ultimate Spider-Man."
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Post by kirby101 on Sept 3, 2017 11:56:03 GMT -5
Fantastic Four #47 from the original art in the Kirby FF Artist Edition from IDW.
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Post by bor on Sept 3, 2017 16:53:09 GMT -5
I'm not sure I've ever read a comic book with a more misleading title. My niece has becomes a major Spider-Man fanatic since the movies came out and she decided to go online and read the comic book! Yay! But she somehow got sidetracked to the 2000 series Ultimate Spider-Man. Boo! (She has been binge reading and she will probably be finished with the 130-some issues in a week or so. She says when she's done, she's going to read the REAL Spider-Man. I let her borrow my beat-up copy of Amazing Spider-Man Annual #1 so she'll know what art style to look for.) I decided to have an open mind and read Ultimete Spider-Man #1 and, if it wasn't awful, I'd keep reading. It was pretty awful. When you open the book, the first thing you see is Norman Osborne and he seems to be personally irradiating the spider that is going to bite Peter a few pages hence. That's right, the facility that is hosting Midtown High's field trip is owned by Norman Osborne and he is personally involved with experiments where spiders are subjected to raciation and one of them gets loose and bites Peter Parker. And then Osborne is on just about every page because he's worried about being sued and he sends someone to spy on Peter and then he tries to have Peter killed. I really hate the way that Norman Osborne has taken over the Spider-Universe. I won't even read Spider-Man comics any more just because I might have to come across a Norman Osborne appearance. So a comic book where his presence is on every page is a hard-sell for me. In this book, he's so awful and cynical and manipulative, he's really not even believable. The other major problem is how they handle Mary Jane. She's right there from the first, next to Peter when he gets bitten by the spider. So that means this is a Spideyverse where Amazing Spider-Man #42 can't happen, where Peter doesn't meet MJ after years of avoiding her and barely missing her and then finally discovering that Anna Watson's niece is a knockout! No. A Spideyverse where "You've hit the jackpot!" never happened is not "Ultimate Spider-Man." Too bad you feel this way. I love this series and to me its among the top Spidey series/runs of all time. Its different from the original one but great in its own way. The MJ/Peter relationship is much different and much more the girl next door kind of thing but I here I like it.
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Post by Hoosier X on Sept 3, 2017 18:32:39 GMT -5
I'm not sure I've ever read a comic book with a more misleading title. My niece has becomes a major Spider-Man fanatic since the movies came out and she decided to go online and read the comic book! Yay! But she somehow got sidetracked to the 2000 series Ultimate Spider-Man. Boo! (She has been binge reading and she will probably be finished with the 130-some issues in a week or so. She says when she's done, she's going to read the REAL Spider-Man. I let her borrow my beat-up copy of Amazing Spider-Man Annual #1 so she'll know what art style to look for.) I decided to have an open mind and read Ultimete Spider-Man #1 and, if it wasn't awful, I'd keep reading. It was pretty awful. When you open the book, the first thing you see is Norman Osborne and he seems to be personally irradiating the spider that is going to bite Peter a few pages hence. That's right, the facility that is hosting Midtown High's field trip is owned by Norman Osborne and he is personally involved with experiments where spiders are subjected to raciation and one of them gets loose and bites Peter Parker. And then Osborne is on just about every page because he's worried about being sued and he sends someone to spy on Peter and then he tries to have Peter killed. I really hate the way that Norman Osborne has taken over the Spider-Universe. I won't even read Spider-Man comics any more just because I might have to come across a Norman Osborne appearance. So a comic book where his presence is on every page is a hard-sell for me. In this book, he's so awful and cynical and manipulative, he's really not even believable. The other major problem is how they handle Mary Jane. She's right there from the first, next to Peter when he gets bitten by the spider. So that means this is a Spideyverse where Amazing Spider-Man #42 can't happen, where Peter doesn't meet MJ after years of avoiding her and barely missing her and then finally discovering that Anna Watson's niece is a knockout! No. A Spideyverse where "You've hit the jackpot!" never happened is not "Ultimate Spider-Man." Too bad you feel this way. I love this series and to me its among the top Spidey series/runs of all time. Its different from the original one but great in its own way. The MJ/Peter relationship is much different and much more the girl next door kind of thing but I here I like it. I forgot to mention how slow it was. The first issue is 40 pages and at the end, Peter has only just figured out that his fingers are sticky and he can hang from the ceiling. If you like it, that's fine. But I kept scrolling to the next page, thinking "How long is this? Does it ever end?" I also thought Harry Osborne was very badly written.
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Post by bor on Sept 4, 2017 11:43:03 GMT -5
Too bad you feel this way. I love this series and to me its among the top Spidey series/runs of all time. Its different from the original one but great in its own way. The MJ/Peter relationship is much different and much more the girl next door kind of thing but I here I like it. I forgot to mention how slow it was. The first issue is 40 pages and at the end, Peter has only just figured out that his fingers are sticky and he can hang from the ceiling. If you like it, that's fine. But I kept scrolling to the next page, thinking "How long is this? Does it ever end?" I also thought Harry Osborne was very badly written. You are completely right its a lot slower and a lot more decombressed. Bit I actually like that. Forinstance Uncle Ben feels much more like an actual character because he sticks around for a couple of issues. I even like the fact it takes about 5/6 issues before he starts acting as a hero. And while I love classic Aunt May its nice to see a version that actually feels more "real" both age and behaviour wise. Without spoiling it too much for people who might want to read it at some point but there are quite a lot of things I like about the Ultimate version. Gwen Stacy is really different but offers a version that I really enjoy too, likewise the art is consistenly good for majority of the run. Dont get me wrong I would not want this instead of the Ditko/Lee run, but for an alternative world comics it works for me. But it is different and if your taste is more to silver or bronze age where there is more bang for your buck pr. issue then I can see why this would not appeal to you.
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Post by Hoosier X on Sept 4, 2017 16:17:51 GMT -5
I forgot to mention how slow it was. The first issue is 40 pages and at the end, Peter has only just figured out that his fingers are sticky and he can hang from the ceiling. If you like it, that's fine. But I kept scrolling to the next page, thinking "How long is this? Does it ever end?" I also thought Harry Osborne was very badly written. You are completely right its a lot slower and a lot more decombressed. Bit I actually like that. Forinstance Uncle Ben feels much more like an actual character because he sticks around for a couple of issues. I even like the fact it takes about 5/6 issues before he starts acting as a hero. And while I love classic Aunt May its nice to see a version that actually feels more "real" both age and behaviour wise. Without spoiling it too much for people who might want to read it at some point but there are quite a lot of things I like about the Ultimate version. Gwen Stacy is really different but offers a version that I really enjoy too, likewise the art is consistenly good for majority of the run. Dont get me wrong I would not want this instead of the Ditko/Lee run, but for an alternative world comics it works for me. But it is different and if your taste is more to silver or bronze age where there is more bang for your buck pr. issue then I can see why this would not appeal to you. I didn't have a problem with Aunt May and Uncle Ben being more like an aunt and an uncle than like a couple of decrepit great-grandparents. That was a good change and, from what I saw, well-handled and well-written. But that's about the only thing that wasn't terrible.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Sept 4, 2017 16:52:20 GMT -5
I think this was a pretty good adaptation of The Tower of the Elephant with the exception of the depiction of Yara. Smith draws him has a generic looking wizard, bald with gray hair, in a dull green robe. I always envisioned Yara looking more Asian in appearance, sorta of akin to the Mandarin from Marvel Comics. One of the comics I'd love to own one day! This story was adapted three times, up to now: once in CtB, once in SSoC (with art by Buscema and Alcala) and once in DarkHorse's Conan, script by Busiek and art by Nord. I feel that this, the first adaptation, remains the superior one... even if it counts the fewer pages. It's the one that had the most exotic and weird atmosphere, the one that blended action and mysticism the best. Yara did look a little generic as wizards go... But this was CtB #4. He was setting the trend! I liked the way he looked a bit old, too.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Sept 4, 2017 17:05:15 GMT -5
Arizona love and Mr. Blueberry, by Jean-Michel Charlier (script for the first one) and Jean Giraud. Arizona love was... how to put it? It is epilogue to the long and tortuous saga begun in the Confederate gold story arc, an arc that saw Blueberry go to jail, be framed for the attempted jyrder of President Grant, join an Apache tribe for a while and finally, finally clearing his name. Here, a recently freed Blueberry, now rich, tries to gain the love of his old comrade, Chihuahua Pearl, who was just about to marry some clueless rich guy. The story is rather humorous, and the amiable split between the two free spirits is very satisfying. The artwork by Giraud is stupendous. The opening image, that of a town in the west, can be analyzed for a full hour and we still find new details in it. The artist has gained the status of a comic-book god over the years, and never is it more true than here. - There is a monastery next to the church; the monks have a little garden in it. - Several carriages are parked around the church; the people in the church have money. - The little house left of the church has a small terrace with a table and chair for someone to take in the air when the sun goes down. - A small family of Mexicans are walking the street; the father, the mother in an elegant shawl, their donkey in between and their two children following a few steps behind. - There are cactuses in between the few brush trees. - The house in the centre of the image (near the bottom) has a trapdorr on the ceiling and we see the stairs that lead up to it. It also has a palm tree. - Telegraph poles can be seen. - At the very bottom, a cart is shown with its poles standing up; it needs to be attached to a horse or a donkey to sit straight. - On the top right corner, a restaurant advertises its breakfasts. - There are chickens in the street to the left, and in the yard of the house at the bottom. - Someone is tending a cart near the saloon. - A Mexican is enjoying his siesta, sitting with his back to a wall (little orange house near the church). - ... it goes on and on. Mr. Blueberry is the start of the final act in the saga of our hero. In this and the following books, all drawn and written by Giraud (Charlier having passed away), Blueberry plays a second role to all the actors reenacting for our pleasure that well-known event from U.S. history: the duel at O.K. corral. Blueberry never regained his position in the army; paradoxically enough, the man we know as "lieutenant Blueberry" lost his rank back in the early '70s and would never regain it. Here he is a private citizen, a gambler by trade, who whiles away peaceful days in saloons and gambling dens where he fructifies the money he made at he end of the Confedrate gold affair. It may be surprising to see him in such a quiet role, but it doesn't make for a boring book; on the contrary, we see here the evolution of the American west, which is moving away from the old cowboys and Indian stories... Leaving Blueberry behind, perhaps? A lovely addition to what was already a legendary comic-book series.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Sept 4, 2017 17:05:44 GMT -5
I think this was a pretty good adaptation of The Tower of the Elephant with the exception of the depiction of Yara. Smith draws him has a generic looking wizard, bald with gray hair, in a dull green robe. I always envisioned Yara looking more Asian in appearance, sorta of akin to the Mandarin from Marvel Comics. One of the comics I'd love to own one day! This story was adapted three times, up to now: once in CtB, once in SSoC (with art by Buscema and Alcala) and once in DarkHorse's Conan, script by Busiek and art by Nord. I feel that this, the first adaptation, remains the superior one... even if it counts the fewer pages. It's the one that had the most exotic and weird atmosphere, the one that blended action and mysticism the best. Yara did look a little generic as wizards go... But this was CtB #4. He was setting the trend! I liked the way he looked a bit old, too. Oh I still enjoyed it. It's fascinating how raw Smith was at this point, particularly looking at what he'd become as an artist. I think trying to ape Kirby held him back. I've seen some of his last Conan issues and he was already looking like classic BWS toward the end of his run. That said, the cover is kind of hilarious. At least they resisted the urge to include a damsel in distress in the actual story.
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Post by Hoosier X on Sept 4, 2017 17:56:34 GMT -5
I've been in Golden Age mode for a few days.
I read a few more episodes of Sky Girl in Jumbo Comics. I also read one or two episodes of Sheena, ZX-5, Ghost Gallery and Stuart Taylor. Jumbo Comics is actually pretty awesome overall. Especially Sheena and Sky Girl. I got up to #87, which is the issue where Ginger gets a job as a waitress at an airport coffee shop. This is the format that I'm familiar with from all the issues of Jumbo I used to have.
I read through Sensation Comics #6 to #8. I always read Wonder Woman, The Gay Ghost and Wildcat. I sometimes read The Black Pirate and Mr. Terrific if I'm intrigued by the first page; otherwise I just skip it. #8 had pretty good stories for both Black Pirate and Mr. Terrific.
I read four or five installments of Futura. I sometimes flip through the rest of the features in Planet Comics and I'm thinking of adding Mysta of the Moon or Auro, Lord of Jupiter to my reading list. It's all pretty crazy 1940s comic-book sci-fi!
And I decided to read every appearance of Fletcher Hanks's Space Smith from Fantastic Comics. I've read quite a few of them in Paul Karacik's Flecther Hanks's books, but there's a few that aren't reprinted.
And I read three more Atomic Knights stories. So I'm up to Strange Adventures #132. I love this series so much! (And I know it isn't Golden Age. I just include it with my Golden Age binges because I like it!)
I want to read a few more Futura stories and some more Space Smith and then I'll go back to Silver Age Marvel for a while. I'm really looking forward to Sub-Mariner #1!
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Post by Spike-X on Sept 6, 2017 22:41:13 GMT -5
Thank goodness! I was starting to worry about him.
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