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Post by Ricky Jackson on Jan 9, 2021 19:23:57 GMT -5
Always thought that was such a strange cover, with Spidey so small and barely noticable on first glance. Still looks cool but kinda atypical having the star of the book not featured prominently
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Post by commond on Jan 10, 2021 1:37:59 GMT -5
Just finished Son of Satan #8, the Bill Mantlo/Russ Heath fill-in issue that was published after the series was cancelled.
Why, oh why, was Son of Satan cancelled? It was an intriguing book with seemingly limitless potential. If it had been a DC title, some writer would have dug it up in the 80s and given it the Mature Readers treatment, for sure. I'm curious, though. If Son of Satan did well enough to warrant his own title, how did it wind up being cancelled after 7 issues?
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Post by Confessor on Jan 10, 2021 3:38:25 GMT -5
Always thought that was such a strange cover, with Spidey so small and barely noticable on first glance. Still looks cool but kinda atypical having the star of the book not featured prominently I agree. It has a very unusual composition and is quite a moody cover, with the two searchlight beams arcing up through the darkness towards the top of the building. Some of the interior pages are shadowy like that too. As I said in my write up, there's a bit of a noir vibe to certain scenes. It's an issue that has Steve Ditko's fingerprints all over it much more than Stan Lee's. |
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Post by berkley on Jan 10, 2021 4:36:44 GMT -5
Just finished Son of Satan #8, the Bill Mantlo/Russ Heath fill-in issue that was published after the series was cancelled. Why, oh why, was Son of Satan cancelled? It was an intriguing book with seemingly limitless potential. If it had been a DC title, some writer would have dug it up in the 80s and given it the Mature Readers treatment, for sure. I'm curious, though. If Son of Satan did well enough to warrant his own title, how did it wind up being cancelled after 7 issues? And why oh why wasn't Russ Heath given a full-time series to do? He also drew one of the best Ka-Zar comics of all time, but I think the SoS one tops it.
If SoS #8 is the comic I'm thinkg of, one of my favourite issues of all time - and certainly one of the best fill-ins ever. |
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Post by chaykinstevens on Jan 10, 2021 9:34:23 GMT -5
That one exception, by the way, I heard about from 2 completely different sources, at opposite ends of things, about 30 years apart! Back in the 80s I met artist Brett Breeding. Once I got past how young he looked (I wondered if he'd started in the biz at age 13 or something) he told a story about how the editor on a book he was inking kept screwing around so much, the book was constantly running late, and he was forced to choose between doing a good job or getting the work in on time, and he chose the latter. He didn't mention the editor's name.
30 years later, I suddenly realized that Jim Shooter was telling the SAME story, from the other end, at his website. The editor in question had been doing his freelance writing during the day in the office, instead of his editorial duties! Shooter suggested the guy get his act together, or find work elsewhere.
I believe it was not long after that... the guy took over as editor of the BATMAN books.
Do you know any instances of Breeding working as an inker on something edited by Denny O'Neil in the mid-80s? Is it possible that Breeding could have been talking about Jim Owsley, who edited Amazing and Spectacular Spider-Man issues he inked? I think Shooter fired Owsley as an editor in 1986. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Jan 10, 2021 10:28:23 GMT -5
That one exception, by the way, I heard about from 2 completely different sources, at opposite ends of things, about 30 years apart! Back in the 80s I met artist Brett Breeding. Once I got past how young he looked (I wondered if he'd started in the biz at age 13 or something) he told a story about how the editor on a book he was inking kept screwing around so much, the book was constantly running late, and he was forced to choose between doing a good job or getting the work in on time, and he chose the latter. He didn't mention the editor's name.
30 years later, I suddenly realized that Jim Shooter was telling the SAME story, from the other end, at his website. The editor in question had been doing his freelance writing during the day in the office, instead of his editorial duties! Shooter suggested the guy get his act together, or find work elsewhere.
I believe it was not long after that... the guy took over as editor of the BATMAN books.
Do you know any instances of Breeding working as an inker on something edited by Denny O'Neil in the mid-80s? Is it possible that Breeding could have been talking about Jim Owsley, who edited Amazing and Spectacular Spider-Man issues he inked? I think Shooter fired Owsley as an editor in 1986. A quick Internet search reveals that Brett Breeding inked the first two issues of a Hawkeye mini-series in 1983. It was edited by Denny O’Neil. The last two issues have several inkers listed, among them Danny Bulandi. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 10, 2021 10:53:23 GMT -5
Do you know any instances of Breeding working as an inker on something edited by Denny O'Neil in the mid-80s? Is it possible that Breeding could have been talking about Jim Owsley, who edited Amazing and Spectacular Spider-Man issues he inked? I think Shooter fired Owsley as an editor in 1986. A quick Internet search reveals that Brett Breeding inked the first two issues of a Hawkeye mini-series in 1983. Its was edited by Denny O’Neil. The last two issues have several inkers listed, among them Danny Bulandi. I read this story and it was Denny O'neil. He admitted it at one point. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 10, 2021 11:02:43 GMT -5
Started the Steve Skeates Aquaman run (they have the whole thing on Hoopla for some reason) last night... it's a bit disjointed after the 1st couple issues, but there's alot going on that could turn out to be interesting... this is really the only Aquaman era I haven't read, so it should be fun. I'm finding Silver Age DC alot better when you read it in bits and different stuff (which, I suppose is the way it was intended)>
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Post by Batflunkie on Jan 11, 2021 17:24:24 GMT -5
Started the Steve Skeates Aquaman run (they have the whole thing on Hoopla for some reason) last night... it's a bit disjointed after the 1st couple issues, but there's alot going on that could turn out to be interesting... this is really the only Aquaman era I haven't read, so it should be fun. I'm finding Silver Age DC alot better when you read it in bits and different stuff (which, I suppose is the way it was intended)> Aren't they supposed to be collecting his run at some point? But yeah, thought that Skeates brought a lot of energy to a floundering title much like David did in the 90's
As for me, broke down and bought volumes 2 and 3 of Captain Harlock Classic Collection. Just like the first volume it's really top notch stuff, bordering on pulpy sci-fi. I like how Matsumoto builds upon the Mazons showing how incredibly unmatched Harlock and his crew are against them. I'm really happy to see someone like Seven Seas putting out older manga for a new generation of readers. Hopefully we'll be able to get something like Cyborg 009, Skull Man, or even Kamen Rider at some point. I do know that the Go Ranger manga is coming out in April
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2021 18:51:44 GMT -5
They did collect Skeates’ run in two deluxe editions in the past couple years. The Search for Mera (40-48) and Deadly Waters (49-56).
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Post by profh0011 on Jan 11, 2021 18:55:56 GMT -5
SAVAGE TALES #2-3 (via "The Chronicles Of Conan" volume 4).
BARRY SMITH's Conan art was shrunk to regular comics size, and somebody (possibly a whole team of somebodys) did what Dick Ayers once referred to as "OVERDONE color". I think the only other place I read this story was in a MARVEL TREASURY EDITION, which was probably close to the size of the original art, and with "normal" coloring on newsprint.
But what really struck me was the absolutely INSANE level of violence & killing in that story. Conan & Valeria stumble upon a mysterious roofed city in the middle of a deserted plain (with a forest in the distance inhabited by a blood-thirsty red stegosaurus!), find 2 separate groups of people who've spent 50 years trying to annihilate each other, all because 50 years earlier the leader of one faction had stolen the wife of the leader of the other faction. But by the time the story is over, EVERYONE in the city is trying to kill Conan & Valeria, and as a result, ALL of them (except the heroes) wind up dead. The only person who didn't try to kill them, had allied himself with them after they saved his life, and then HIS OWN people killed him as a traitor. Geez.
I know they wanted to include the story in CHRONICLES Vol.4 so it would have Barry Smith's final 3 CONAN stories all in one book, but in his lengthy afterward, Roy Thomas neglected to mention WHEN in Conan's chronology the final story was supposed to take place.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jan 11, 2021 20:11:11 GMT -5
SAVAGE TALES #2-3 (via "The Chronicles Of Conan" volume 4). BARRY SMITH's Conan art was shrunk to regular comics size, and somebody (possibly a whole team of somebodys) did what Dick Ayers once referred to as "OVERDONE color". I think the only other place I read this story was in a MARVEL TREASURY EDITION, which was probably close to the size of the original art, and with "normal" coloring on newsprint. But what really struck me was the absolutely INSANE level of violence & killing in that story. Conan & Valeria stumble upon a mysterious roofed city in the middle of a deserted plain (with a forest in the distance inhabited by a blood-thirsty red stegosaurus!), find 2 separate groups of people who've spent 50 years trying to annihilate each other, all because 50 years earlier the leader of one faction had stolen the wife of the leader of the other faction. But by the time the story is over, EVERYONE in the city is trying to kill Conan & Valeria, and as a result, ALL of them (except the heroes) wind up dead. The only person who didn't try to kill them, had allied himself with them after they saved his life, and then HIS OWN people killed him as a traitor. Geez. I know they wanted to include the story in CHRONICLES Vol.4 so it would have Barry Smith's final 3 CONAN stories all in one book, but in his lengthy afterward, Roy Thomas neglected to mention WHEN in Conan's chronology the final story was supposed to take place. . That doesn’t sound like Roy. I bet it was antifa. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 11, 2021 20:35:59 GMT -5
They did collect Skeates’ run in two deluxe editions in the past couple years. The Search for Mera (40-48) and Deadly Waters (49-56). Hoopla has 3 trades.... those two (which seem to cover Skeates run) and a 3rd one 'Death of a Prince' (57-63) that seems to have a whole bunch of different creators... I assume they also exist in print form.. that ends the run until PAD takes over in the early 90s (with a couple minis in between). Though the run just before PAD might not have been intended as a mini, just didn't last long (13 issues) |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2021 20:52:55 GMT -5
Yeah, they did a deluxe of Death of a Prince too. I bought all three, but it true Kudo fashion, haven’t read them. I did read the beginning of Search for Mera and liked it well enough, though.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 11, 2021 20:59:45 GMT -5
Heh... I hear ya... I've been working on cutting down my two read pile for years. The problem is when I start reading the pile, things I don't have come up, then I have to get them, and the pile doesn't actually get smaller.
I've been makin some progress the last couple years though... someday!
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