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Post by spoon on Dec 31, 2022 18:51:26 GMT -5
I read New Mutants #1-3, Uncanny X-Men #167 (via a Classic X-Men reprint) and Aquaman: The Search for Mera TPB, reprinting Aquaman #40-48.
I'm planning a big New Mutants read-through, but Mormel got starting with that recently, so I don't want to be too duplicative. So far what I've read from #1-3 squares with my recollection that Danielle Moonstar (code-named Pscyhe at this point) was not as angry as she was in the GN, although she is fairly bold, opinionated character. Danielle wears a belt to represent her heritage instead of the standard x-logo belt. A big deal was made of this in the GN that Professor X decides to back off and let Danielle expresses her individuality this way, whereas he might not in the past. I think this is a nice acknowledgement that Professor Xavier of this era is actually mellower than he was at time in the Silver Age. But Dani is wearing her individualized belt earlier in #1, but not when she enters the Danger Room at the end of the issue. Then, she has it on again at the start of #2. My wacky No-Prize theory is that this is a manifestation of her powers displaying an illusion of a fear of losing her culture and identity.
I've read these issues a couple times before, but there were a few things I didn't remember. The notion that Sebastian Shaw deployed the Sentinels against the New Mutants to put them on-guard against humans/government and make them more susceptible to join the Hellfire Club is something I didn't recall from prior readings. Also, Uncanny X-Men takes place immediately after New Mutants #3, concluding the plotline of Xavier secretly hosting a Brood egg. I didn't remember these editor's notes/captions that NM #3 was actually published after X-Men #167. Kind of kills the suspense for the reader, although I love how the story plays.
Claremont is already sowing seeds of plotlines that don't play out for a while. Dani mentions her parents being killed by a bear. Also, Moira and Illyana visit Gabrielle Haller, who mentions she has a son with Charles Xavier that he doesn't know about. Oh, and the son is troubled.
The Search for Mera TPB reprints a series of Aquaman stories by Steve Skeates and Jim Aparo. I actually read the TPB that follows first (about a year ago). Aparo's art is great in both, but I think it was a bit better in the later TPB. It's a quirky series. There are a lot of issues with misunderstandings, and it can challenge misconceptions. It's a rush from action to action. It does rely on coincidences a lot though. There are subplots of political intrigue and character moments, but we don't really get deep dives on inter-character dynamics. My understanding is that Aparo used to do his own lettering; it's funny that in the credits of a couple issues the names of others are written normally but Aparo's name is stylized. Aparo does full art chores in most. However, the credits to #46 rather cryptically states it was "drawn by Jim Aparo, inked by an inker." The Nick Cardy covers are excellent although at least one depicts a scene nothing remotely like what happens in the issue.
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Post by Batflunkie on Dec 31, 2022 19:54:36 GMT -5
Aquaman: The Search for Mera TPB, reprinting Aquaman #40-48. The Search for Mera TPB reprints a series of Aquaman stories by Steve Skeates and Jim Aparo. I actually read the TPB that follows first (about a year ago). Aparo's art is great in both, but I think it was a bit better in the later TPB. It's a quirky series. There are a lot of issues with misunderstandings, and it can challenge misconceptions. It's a rush from action to action. It does rely on coincidences a lot though. There are subplots of political intrigue and character moments, but we don't really get deep dives on inter-character dynamics. My understanding is that Aparo used to do his own lettering; it's funny that in the credits of a couple issues the names of others are written normally but Aparo's name is stylized. Aparo does full art chores in most. However, the credits to #46 rather cryptically states it was "drawn by Jim Aparo, inked by an inker." The Nick Cardy covers are excellent although at least one depicts a scene nothing remotely like what happens in the issue. Skeates era Aquaman is what really got me into the character, hopefully at some point they'll do a Bronze Age Aquaman omni reprinting a good chunk of the issues instead of just collecting them sporadically over time like they're doing now
Currently, I'm reading my Usagi Yojimbo Saga 1. Just got finished with Book 8: Shades Of Death (which I had read previously like most of the books I get off of Amazon). I think Book 8 is, even if you haven't read Usagi previously, such a great microcosm of everything that makes the title so good to begin with. One thing that makes me always laugh though is this in "Shades Of Green"
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Post by chaykinstevens on Jan 1, 2023 9:47:49 GMT -5
If memory serves, Jemm actually began life as a proposed Martian Manhunter mini. I don't remember why it was changed. Incidentally, the only piece of original Gene Colan art I own is a poage from Jemm, a gift from former CBRizen Scott "Lone Ranger" Mahaffey. Needless to say, it's one of my most treasured possessions. Jemm was always intended to be a separate character, but was planned to be a Martian and a cousin of J'Onn J'Onzz. After the fitst six issues were written, DC told Greg Potter that Jemm couldn't be from Mars because J'Onn was returning in JLA. link
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Post by Cei-U! on Jan 1, 2023 10:27:34 GMT -5
If memory serves, Jemm actually began life as a proposed Martian Manhunter mini. I don't remember why it was changed. Incidentally, the only piece of original Gene Colan art I own is a poage from Jemm, a gift from former CBRizen Scott "Lone Ranger" Mahaffey. Needless to say, it's one of my most treasured possessions. Jemm was always intended to be a separate character, but was planned to be a Martian and a cousin of J'Onn J'Onzz. After the fitst six issues were written, DC told Greg Potter that Jemm couldn't be from Mars bacauss J'Onn was returning in JLA. linkYes, that's it. It's been a whole lot o' years since I read the behind-the-scenes info about the series, so I'm surprised I got as close as I did.
Cei-U! [bad Maxwell Smart imporession] Missed it by THAT much! [/bad Maxwell Smart impression]
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Post by chaykinstevens on Jan 1, 2023 10:44:34 GMT -5
Aparo does full art chores in most. However, the credits to #46 rather cryptically states it was "drawn by Jim Aparo, inked by an inker." GCD says the inker was Frank Giacoia.
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Post by dbutler69 on Jan 1, 2023 11:56:57 GMT -5
The Machine Man LS by DeFalco, Trimpe, and BWS. I pick it up pretty much every year for a re-read. Hands down my favorite limited series of all time. It just puts a smile on my face every time I pick it up. I definitely owe my love of drawing gears,circuits, and wires to BWS's work in this series. I'm a big Machine Man fan, and while I don't like this LS as much as you do, it is certainly a worthwhile read.
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Post by dbutler69 on Jan 1, 2023 11:58:10 GMT -5
Got to read some old stuff today.. a few Elongated Man stories from the SHowcase.. man, poor guy was just an inept sidekick for the Flash at first! I do like how he's a public, self promoting hero.. it's a fun change. Sue definitely changed alot of the years, I guess.. I didn't recognize her! I wonder why the chose to age her more than, say, Lois Lane? I also had a couple old one offs I had lying around.. including a really good Jonah Hex story (though he's a bit overly heroic) and a reprint of a Gunmaster story, which I quite liked as well. Hey, I love me some Elongated Man! I love the interaction between him and Sue. It was actually the reason I read so many Detective Comics from the 60's.
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Post by dbutler69 on Jan 1, 2023 12:01:17 GMT -5
I read The Batman Chronicles vol. 1 and 2. Fun stuff. We get Batman, Robin, the Joker, Catwoman, and commish Gordon. Obviously the series becomes lighter once Robin joins the cast. One thing that surprised me is that Robin is using a slingshot a LOT in these early issues. That's pretty much his go-to weapon. Also, the name Gotham City hasn't been mentioned yet. A couple of the very early stories seem to indicate that these stories are taking place in New York City but at this point I think that has pretty much gone by the wayside, though there's really no indication where it is.
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Post by Mormel on Jan 2, 2023 10:25:15 GMT -5
I read New Mutants #1-3, Uncanny X-Men #167 (via a Classic X-Men reprint) and Aquaman: The Search for Mera TPB, reprinting Aquaman #40-48. I'm planning a big New Mutants read-through, but Mormel got starting with that recently, so I don't want to be too duplicative. So far what I've read from #1-3 squares with my recollection that Danielle Moonstar (code-named Pscyhe at this point) was not as angry as she was in the GN, although she is fairly bold, opinionated character. Danielle wears a belt to represent her heritage instead of the standard x-logo belt. A big deal was made of this in the GN that Professor X decides to back off and let Danielle expresses her individuality this way, whereas he might not in the past. I think this is a nice acknowledgement that Professor Xavier of this era is actually mellower than he was at time in the Silver Age. But Dani is wearing her individualized belt earlier in #1, but not when she enters the Danger Room at the end of the issue. Then, she has it on again at the start of #2. My wacky No-Prize theory is that this is a manifestation of her powers displaying an illusion of a fear of losing her culture and identity. I've read these issues a couple times before, but there were a few things I didn't remember. The notion that Sebastian Shaw deployed the Sentinels against the New Mutants to put them on-guard against humans/government and make them more susceptible to join the Hellfire Club is something I didn't recall from prior readings. Also, Uncanny X-Men takes place immediately after New Mutants #3, concluding the plotline of Xavier secretly hosting a Brood egg. I didn't remember these editor's notes/captions that NM #3 was actually published after X-Men #167. Kind of kills the suspense for the reader, although I love how the story plays. Claremont is already sowing seeds of plotlines that don't play out for a while. Dani mentions her parents being killed by a bear. Also, Moira and Illyana visit Gabrielle Haller, who mentions she has a son with Charles Xavier that he doesn't know about. Oh, and the son is troubled. I'm interested to read your impressions on these issues as you re-read them. I'm juggling a couple books that I'm (re-)reading now, so I think I'll slow down the pace at which I read the mutant junior team books. I just hit the Sienkiewicz-drawn issues and I'm quite blown away by the art style. Now it makes sense that Warlock and Legion always felt so otherworldly, since they're Sienkiewicz designs. Very striking visuals on both characters. I had seen his art before here and there, but never read a full issue drawn by him other than the Dracula issue of X-Men, which is still great, but not as mind-blowing as what he does in this Demon Bear storyline. The covers are very eerie as well.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jan 2, 2023 11:25:21 GMT -5
I read The Batman Chronicles vol. 1 and 2. Fun stuff. We get Batman, Robin, the Joker, Catwoman, and commish Gordon. Obviously the series becomes lighter once Robin joins the cast. One thing that surprised me is that Robin is using a slingshot a LOT in these early issues. That's pretty much his go-to weapon. Also, the name Gotham City hasn't been mentioned yet. A couple of the very early stories seem to indicate that these stories are taking place in New York City but at this point I think that has pretty much gone by the wayside, though there's really no indication where it is. Gotham City is first mentioned as the series' setting in the fourth story in Batman #4 (Winter 1940-41).
Cei-U! I summon the 411!
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Post by dbutler69 on Jan 2, 2023 11:38:59 GMT -5
I read The Batman Chronicles vol. 1 and 2. Fun stuff. We get Batman, Robin, the Joker, Catwoman, and commish Gordon. Obviously the series becomes lighter once Robin joins the cast. One thing that surprised me is that Robin is using a slingshot a LOT in these early issues. That's pretty much his go-to weapon. Also, the name Gotham City hasn't been mentioned yet. A couple of the very early stories seem to indicate that these stories are taking place in New York City but at this point I think that has pretty much gone by the wayside, though there's really no indication where it is. Gotham City is first mentioned as the series' setting in the fourth story in Batman #4 (Winter 1940-41).
Cei-U! I summon the 411!
So I think I'll see it in volume 3, which I've reserved from the library.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2023 11:42:21 GMT -5
I read New Mutants #1-3, Uncanny X-Men #167 (via a Classic X-Men reprint) and Aquaman: The Search for Mera TPB, reprinting Aquaman #40-48. I'm planning a big New Mutants read-through, but Mormel got starting with that recently, so I don't want to be too duplicative. So far what I've read from #1-3 squares with my recollection that Danielle Moonstar (code-named Pscyhe at this point) was not as angry as she was in the GN, although she is fairly bold, opinionated character. Danielle wears a belt to represent her heritage instead of the standard x-logo belt. A big deal was made of this in the GN that Professor X decides to back off and let Danielle expresses her individuality this way, whereas he might not in the past. I think this is a nice acknowledgement that Professor Xavier of this era is actually mellower than he was at time in the Silver Age. But Dani is wearing her individualized belt earlier in #1, but not when she enters the Danger Room at the end of the issue. Then, she has it on again at the start of #2. My wacky No-Prize theory is that this is a manifestation of her powers displaying an illusion of a fear of losing her culture and identity. I've read these issues a couple times before, but there were a few things I didn't remember. The notion that Sebastian Shaw deployed the Sentinels against the New Mutants to put them on-guard against humans/government and make them more susceptible to join the Hellfire Club is something I didn't recall from prior readings. Also, Uncanny X-Men takes place immediately after New Mutants #3, concluding the plotline of Xavier secretly hosting a Brood egg. I didn't remember these editor's notes/captions that NM #3 was actually published after X-Men #167. Kind of kills the suspense for the reader, although I love how the story plays. Claremont is already sowing seeds of plotlines that don't play out for a while. Dani mentions her parents being killed by a bear. Also, Moira and Illyana visit Gabrielle Haller, who mentions she has a son with Charles Xavier that he doesn't know about. Oh, and the son is troubled. I'm interested to read your impressions on these issues as you re-read them. I'm juggling a couple books that I'm (re-)reading now, so I think I'll slow down the pace at which I read the mutant junior team books. I just hit the Sienkiewicz-drawn issues and I'm quite blown away by the art style. Now it makes sense that Warlock and Legion always felt so otherworldly, since they're Sienkiewicz designs. Very striking visuals on both characters. I had seen his art before here and there, but never read a full issue drawn by him other than the Dracula issue of X-Men, which is still great, but not as mind-blowing as what he does in this Demon Bear storyline. The covers are very eerie as well. The Claremont/Sienkiewicz era is one of my favorite comic book runs of all time, I still remember first picking up issue #18 (I was already a monthly reader of the title) and I was just floored. I had enjoyed the series prior to that, but overnight it went from a fun X-Men spinoff title in the style of the day to this groundbreaking series with story and art hitting on all cylinders. From this issue up through about the New Mutants Special Edition (favorite NM story ever), it was an incredible ride and I couldn't wait for each new issue to come out.
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Post by spoon on Jan 2, 2023 15:35:23 GMT -5
I read New Mutants #1-3, Uncanny X-Men #167 (via a Classic X-Men reprint) and Aquaman: The Search for Mera TPB, reprinting Aquaman #40-48. I'm planning a big New Mutants read-through, but Mormel got starting with that recently, so I don't want to be too duplicative. So far what I've read from #1-3 squares with my recollection that Danielle Moonstar (code-named Pscyhe at this point) was not as angry as she was in the GN, although she is fairly bold, opinionated character. Danielle wears a belt to represent her heritage instead of the standard x-logo belt. A big deal was made of this in the GN that Professor X decides to back off and let Danielle expresses her individuality this way, whereas he might not in the past. I think this is a nice acknowledgement that Professor Xavier of this era is actually mellower than he was at time in the Silver Age. But Dani is wearing her individualized belt earlier in #1, but not when she enters the Danger Room at the end of the issue. Then, she has it on again at the start of #2. My wacky No-Prize theory is that this is a manifestation of her powers displaying an illusion of a fear of losing her culture and identity. I've read these issues a couple times before, but there were a few things I didn't remember. The notion that Sebastian Shaw deployed the Sentinels against the New Mutants to put them on-guard against humans/government and make them more susceptible to join the Hellfire Club is something I didn't recall from prior readings. Also, Uncanny X-Men takes place immediately after New Mutants #3, concluding the plotline of Xavier secretly hosting a Brood egg. I didn't remember these editor's notes/captions that NM #3 was actually published after X-Men #167. Kind of kills the suspense for the reader, although I love how the story plays. Claremont is already sowing seeds of plotlines that don't play out for a while. Dani mentions her parents being killed by a bear. Also, Moira and Illyana visit Gabrielle Haller, who mentions she has a son with Charles Xavier that he doesn't know about. Oh, and the son is troubled. I'm interested to read your impressions on these issues as you re-read them. I'm juggling a couple books that I'm (re-)reading now, so I think I'll slow down the pace at which I read the mutant junior team books. I just hit the Sienkiewicz-drawn issues and I'm quite blown away by the art style. Now it makes sense that Warlock and Legion always felt so otherworldly, since they're Sienkiewicz designs. Very striking visuals on both characters. I had seen his art before here and there, but never read a full issue drawn by him other than the Dracula issue of X-Men, which is still great, but not as mind-blowing as what he does in this Demon Bear storyline. The covers are very eerie as well. I'll probably be alternating as well. Since my last post, I read New Mutants #4-7. But now, I'm reading a TPB of New Gods #1-11, after which I'll probably jump back to NM #8 and read 5-10 more issues. So I may or may not catch up to you. I'm curious about what made Bob McLeod switch from penciling to inking the series so quickly, although I think of him more as an inker. I do like that the Buscema/McLeod pairing still keeps the McLeod flavor of the first few issues. I mentioned I didn't remember Danielle being as strident as in the GN, and you noted that continues. Well, after seeming not as combative for a little bit, Claremont definitely brought that back as a main element of her character, although it's not so racially tinged as in the GN. NM #4 is a very different for such an early issue: concerned with a social issue and no supervillain at work. But then, the team is dumped right into the fire facing Viper and the Silver Samurai. Reading individual back issues, sometimes I don't realize the timeframes for appearances of characters. But with the aid of The Newstand at the Mike's Amazing World of Comics website, I know that these villains made the rounds quickly. Viper was in Captain America the same month, then it was basically on to Uncanny X-Men right away for both villains. Professor Xavier was so protective of the New Mutants at first, but now he goes off with Team America, and it's almost immediate disaster. Granted, he didn't expect the interference from this malevolent psychic entity, but you'd think he'd keep his new students on a tight leash. It's quite the shocking gut punch to see the team get into peril and Karma go missing so quickly, and it's also an interesting choice to see the moment she is lost go undepicted between #6 and #7. But it's a unique approach to a supposed death. Instead of killing Karma off and retconning it, we learn from the get-go that Xavier suspects Karma is still alive. But Claremont is playing the long game; I don't recall if there were even hints by earliest Sienkiewicz issues you've reached. It kind of sucks that some toy company deal probably foisted Team America on Claremont even after their own series was cancelled, but at least he gets to have Xavier ream them out for putting Danielle in danger for not even knowing how their powers work. Speaking of powers, the current roster doesn't seem to be well-constructed for battle. Danielle power isn't sometimes hard to deploy in a fight, people keep resisting Karma's possession attempts, Rahne gets smacked around a bit. While Sam and Roberto are more equipped for a fight, Sam still has trouble turning & Berto doesn't store enough power. But the more I read, the more I think that this was intentional to dramatize the learning curve of new students than an oversight in planning. Although on the other hand, I'm about to reach Magma's first appearance, which seems a concession to needed someone with powers more easily geared toward fighting. It was interesting to see how Rahne's perceptions as a wolf work in #4. Mormel, I agree with you that Bill Sienkiewicz starting on this title is quite a trip. Some images really stick in my mind, like the splash page of Danielle under her blanket at the start of the Demon Bear story. Sometimes the chaotic abstraction doesn't work for me. I think his art on the Daredevil Love and War GN, which I read a few months ago, is much less effective. But my recollection is that I mostly like his balance between abstraction and realism in New Mutants. We'll see when I get there. If you want to see the transition in Sienkiewicz's style, check out his Moon Knight work. I think the stories should be in the first Epic Collection or first Essential. In the Hulk magazine back-ups, Sienkiewicz starts out an a Neals Adams imitator before shifting to his more distinctive style.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jan 3, 2023 9:15:44 GMT -5
Bob McLeod was, at that time anyway, too slow to continue pencilling and inking New Mutants (it was the storytelling, rather than the actual drawing, that he struggled with) so Sal Buscema was brought in to provide rough breakdowns for Bob to follow.
Cei-U! I summon Our Pal Sal!
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 3, 2023 9:21:02 GMT -5
I definitely think New Mutants was meant to be character driven, not really action driven... I've always thought the powers were chosen to facilitate that... they all warrant themselves to improvement really well without turning into a new power, as sometimes happens.
I'm reading the 2nd half of the original Spider-Woman run (via the Essential trade).. I got it for the Claremont bit (I read the Patch era of Wolverine recently and wanted to see how it all connected), but so far I've just finished up the previous run by Michael Fleisher... not bad stuff.. feels like a white suburban version of Luke Cage to me, which is fine.
One thing I thought was interesting... Scotty is very Oracle-like... I wonder if there's any connection there.. like, did someone at DC read this and go, hey, great idea, I know just the character for that...
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