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Post by wildfire2099 on Feb 2, 2023 8:31:17 GMT -5
I definitely don't feel like there was ever an official leader in New Mutants... Sam was too worried about controlling his powers and Dani was too inconsistent character wise, sometimes she was a Claremont amazon like Storm and sometimes she was doubting she could do anything. I always felt like Kitty should be the leader, but that never really happened.. she just hung out now and then. In Modern times, it seems like Sunspot is the leader now (Though that's all got mixed up with C list Avengers thanks to Hickman), or maybe he and Sam are co-leaders, but then they usually defer to Magik if she wants them too, so I guess it hasn't changed  |
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Post by zaku on Feb 2, 2023 11:37:11 GMT -5
I just re-read Amazing Spider-Man #147 after a discussion about Tarantula in the "Ask a Question" thread and, OMG, is even worse than I remembered.  Question for those who read these comics at the time: but readers were wondering how it was possible that Spider-Man was so humiliated by an adversary without powers? Or is it something that just modern readers, so obsessed with continuity, canon etc etc, notice? I mean, for them it was absolutely normal that one day Spidey managed to hold his own against the Hulk and the next day he was knocked out by A VASE BUMPED ON THE HEAD BY AUNT MAY??? |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 2, 2023 11:46:58 GMT -5
I just re-read Amazing Spider-Man #147 after a discussion about Tarantula in the "Ask a Question" thread and, OMG, is even worse than I remembered. Question for those who read these comics at the time: but readers were wondering how it was possible that Spider-Man was so humiliated by an adversary without powers? Or is it something that just modern readers, so obsessed with continuity, canon etc etc, notice? I mean, for them it was absolutely normal that one day Spidey managed to hold his own against the Hulk and the next day he was knocked out by A VASE BUMPED ON THE HEAD BY AUNT MAY??? This was just on the starting edge of when I started reading comics, so I probably didn't know enough about the characters to be able to know if it was a problem. But I likely never would have cared because they're funnybooks and who cares? |
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Post by tartanphantom on Feb 2, 2023 12:02:35 GMT -5
I just re-read Amazing Spider-Man #147 after a discussion about Tarantula in the "Ask a Question" thread and, OMG, is even worse than I remembered. Question for those who read these comics at the time: but readers were wondering how it was possible that Spider-Man was so humiliated by an adversary without powers? Or is it something that just modern readers, so obsessed with continuity, canon etc etc, notice? I mean, for them it was absolutely normal that one day Spidey managed to hold his own against the Hulk and the next day he was knocked out by A VASE BUMPED ON THE HEAD BY AUNT MAY??? This was just on the starting edge of when I started reading comics, so I probably didn't know enough about the characters to be able to know if it was a problem. But I likely never would have cared because they're funnybooks and who cares?
That's my baseline reality check when reading comics. I want to be entertained, but it's all pure fantasy fiction, so I try to view it as such. It's the big reason why I never get hung up too much on continuity, especially at the "created universe" level. Sure, I want continuity from one issue to the next in a particular story arc so that it simply makes sense, but I can't be bothered with asterisked editorial side notes referring to an event that occurred 5 years earlier in a completely different book. The simple fact is that writing comics has always been a business, and every writer cannot be expected to have an encyclopedic knowledge of every time a particular character picked his nose, skipped a meal or went to the bathroom.
I'm not putting down folks who dig the minutiae of continuity-- if that's your thing, I get it-- I'm very detail-oriented on many specific things that would bore others to tears (precise guitar setup measurements, who produced or engineered certain albums, etc).
But as for myself, comic book continuity is not one of them. Enjoy your stories as you see fit and pay no attention to my opinion, because in the end, that's all it is.
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Post by zaku on Feb 2, 2023 12:08:36 GMT -5
I just re-read Amazing Spider-Man #147 after a discussion about Tarantula in the "Ask a Question" thread and, OMG, is even worse than I remembered. Question for those who read these comics at the time: but readers were wondering how it was possible that Spider-Man was so humiliated by an adversary without powers? Or is it something that just modern readers, so obsessed with continuity, canon etc etc, notice? I mean, for them it was absolutely normal that one day Spidey managed to hold his own against the Hulk and the next day he was knocked out by A VASE BUMPED ON THE HEAD BY AUNT MAY??? This was just on the starting edge of when I started reading comics, so I probably didn't know enough about the characters to be able to know if it was a problem. But I likely never would have cared because they're funnybooks and who cares?  Now they are like seriousbooks  |
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Post by arfetto on Feb 2, 2023 12:10:51 GMT -5
This is not very related to the topic, but Amazing Spider-Man #147 was the first Spider-Man comic I ever owned/read (my uncle gave me his comic collection and that was his earliest issue of Amazing). It was not a wise idea to let the Tarantula work in the prison shoe shop haha.
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Post by zaku on Feb 2, 2023 12:18:07 GMT -5
This is not very related to the topic, but Amazing Spider-Man #147 was the first Spider-Man comic I ever owned/read (my uncle gave me his comic collection and that was his earliest issue of Amazing). It was not a wise idea to let the Tarantula work in the prison shoe shop haha. Yep! |
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Post by commond on Feb 2, 2023 17:53:15 GMT -5
Spidey seems too distracted by the Gwen Stacey clone and the fact Jackal is driving the school bus to the Brooklyn Bridge to worry about his so-called humiliation.
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Post by Cei-U! on Feb 2, 2023 18:32:38 GMT -5
Even though I'm a *very* serious continuity geek, I'd nonetheless rather read a good comic that violates continuity than a bad one that faithfully adheres to it.
And while I'm generally fond of the Conway-Andru run on Amazing, Tarantula is unquestionably my least favorite villain from it. I even like the fake Mysterio better.
Cei-U!
I summon the Latino loser!
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 2, 2023 18:50:30 GMT -5
All those blending together in my ennui at the whole Andru era. Spider-Man was not a favorite book for me at this time.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Feb 2, 2023 20:36:23 GMT -5
Read a few odds and ends today.. one was my Tales of Suspense #40 I got a while back and didn't want to touch... decided to touch it  . Did Kirby REALLY do the art? he's credited, but the style is very un-Kirby like.. unless he was doing it in his Romance book style or something. Funny how it's really just a Tales of Suspense monster story with a super hero tossed in.. I know we've talked about that before, but it was neat to see it in action. The back ups were fun, predictable, but pretty fun.. One was an alien that tries to go back in time to take over and gets busted by a different alient who's in charge of watching the timeline (sounded familiar....). The other was an bad artist in search of a short cut to a masterpiece that gets what's coming in the end. The others of interest were 2 promo books. One was the Superman Radio Shack promo. It's a full comic by Bates/Starlin, and it's actually pretty good. It has a bit of computer history in it, which is fun, and a pretty good story with Major Disaster as the bad guy. IT's clearly an ad of TRS-80s, but also a fun comic. The 2nd one was a PSA from Marvel from 1994 sponsored by Pizza Hut. It was a bit thin (16 pages, no ads), with Evan Skolnick on story and very rushed looking Tom Morgan art. It featured a bad guy with Electric powers that was upset his mom died of Lung Cancer and tears up a convience Store selling cigarettes, as causes general chaos. It features Spider-Man, Human Torch, Firestar and Iron Man (who give a little speech about addiction at the end). Weird set of heroes, but Morgan had the Armor and Firestars 90s NW costume right, even if the art seemed rushed. |
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 2, 2023 21:48:10 GMT -5
The art looks like Kirby layouts with Don Heck finishes. But the inking doesn't look like Heck's scratchier style. It might have been also inked by Larry Lieber or Dick Ayers.
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Post by Confessor on Feb 2, 2023 22:43:44 GMT -5
I’ve re-read Scorpion’s first appearance, in 1964’s The Amazing Spider-Man #19. Amazing Spider-Man #20, not #19. One of my favourite ever Spider-Man issues. |
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Post by Confessor on Feb 2, 2023 22:49:34 GMT -5
I just re-read Amazing Spider-Man #147 after a discussion about Tarantula in the "Ask a Question" thread and, OMG, is even worse than I remembered. Question for those who read these comics at the time: but readers were wondering how it was possible that Spider-Man was so humiliated by an adversary without powers? Or is it something that just modern readers, so obsessed with continuity, canon etc etc, notice? I mean, for them it was absolutely normal that one day Spidey managed to hold his own against the Hulk and the next day he was knocked out by A VASE BUMPED ON THE HEAD BY AUNT MAY??? This was just on the starting edge of when I started reading comics, so I probably didn't know enough about the characters to be able to know if it was a problem. But I likely never would have cared because they're funnybooks and who cares? Yeah, this is my view too. I liked the Tarantula stories a fair bit and I still do. He's not the best villain of the Andru era -- and I like Andru's run on Spider-Man a whole lot! But the stories with him in are fun and I honestly couldn't give two sh*ts whether Spidey went up against the Hulk the week before and now he's having a tough time with the Tarantula. Everyone has off days, I guess...even the Wall-Crawler. But really, they're just Superhero comics that were aimed at kids. They're wonderful, but don't take them too seriously. |
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Post by berkley on Feb 3, 2023 0:17:49 GMT -5
Superhero comics have never maintained any kind of internal consistency when it comes to the power discrepencies between various characters. If you need an example, just think of Superman vs pretty much anybody else in the DCU; or in the MU, Captain America taking on opponents that are meant to be several levels higher on the superhero power-scale. I think Ennis's The Boys did a pretty good job of highlighting the nonsensicality of this, as well as many other long-established superhero conventions.
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