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Post by Calidore on Feb 8, 2023 9:37:37 GMT -5
I've seen Thorgal but haven't read any of it. Are the stories self-contained or in multi-volume arcs, and what's a good tryout point to see if I like it? It's one continuous saga, each volume contains 2 of the French volumes translated into English, each of the original volumes runs about 48 pages, so the English volumes are about 96 pages. Arcs vary in length. Some are complete within 1 of the French volumes, so you get 2 in an English volume, some run 2-3 of the French volumes and can end on cliffhangers. There is a 0 volume which was produced later during the run that explains Thorgal's origins in more detail, and that's where I started, but you could start at Vol. 1 just as easily. In one sense though, I lken it a bit to Prince Valiant, in that once you know the premise, you can jump in anywhere, but to get the premise, VOl. 0 and 1 are best. -M
Thanks very much!
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Post by james on Feb 8, 2023 19:35:21 GMT -5
FF epic 164-176 loving this time period and it’s killing me because my library does not have 177-188 😬. I have most of these issues and I bought some awesome fireproof water proof “boxes” so I am reading the trades
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Post by Hoosier X on Feb 8, 2023 20:48:18 GMT -5
FF epic 164-176 loving this time period and it’s killing me because my library does not have 177-188 😬. I have most of these issues and I bought some awesome fireproof water proof “boxes” so I am reading the trades My first issue of FF was #165 and I was hooked for about 11 years. The last time I read #166, I started thinking ...”Hey! This is inked by Vince Colletta!” But he did a really good job and I sure never noticed anything wrong with it the first time I read it.
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Post by Confessor on Feb 9, 2023 18:46:24 GMT -5
Finished re-reading the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen: Century – 1969 last night... This is likely my favourite of the three parts of Century, mostly because I'm a fan and armchair student of all things '60s pop culture, especially the music. As a result, I pick up on lots of the little references and Easter eggs here – even some of the really obscure ones! The story is set 59 years after the events of the last chapter of the LoEG, with the League having been whittled down to just three immortals: the star duo of Allan Quatermain and Mina Murray, along with the hanger-on Orlando (author Alan Moore has thankfully dispensed with the boring Carnacki and Raffles from the last instalment). The main thrust of the narrative sees our adventurers in London at the burnt-out, fag-end of the swinging 60s, in a race against time to prevent the spirit of Occult villain Oliver Haddo from possessing the body of a charismatic rock singer and coming a step closer to his goal of birthing a new Antichrist. Just like in Century – 1910 and the Black Dossier, Century – 1969 can't actually name names when it comes to the various pop culture characters that it liberally utilises, since the1960s is too recent for them to have passed into the Public Domain or – in the case of real people – for them to have died. So, again Moore subtly changes names to create his parallels, though its usually obvious who these characters are meant to be. So, for example, instead of The Beatles we get The Rutles (who are from Eric Idle and Neil Innes' 1978 Beatles parody film All You Need is Cash); the psychedelic UFO club on Tottenham Court Road becomes the Flying Cylinder; and Mick Jagger becomes Terner Purple (Jagger played a reclusive rock star named Turner Purple in the 1970 film Performance). It's obvious, therefore, why the Rolling Stones become the Purple Orchestra. The Stones' ill-fated guitarist Brian Jones features in the book too, though he is named Basil Thomas here (Basil Tomas being an effeminate English prep school boy from a series of 1950s books by Geoffrey Willans and Ronald Searle). Thomas is drowned by Haddo's followers in a swimming pool, mirroring Jones's own accidental death (or possibly murder) in the swimming pool of his country home in 1969. Interestingly, Michael Caine's character Jack Carter from the 1971 gangster film Get Carter also appears, but instead of changing his name, Moore just never fully states what the character is called. I also really dug seeing the Victorian adventurer Adam Adamant at a swingin' London discotheque getting blown out by several young "dolly birds" (to use the vernacular of the times) who instead are more attracted to Orlando and Quatermain. Century – 1969 climaxes with the Purple Orchestra giving a free concert in honour of poor Basil Thomas at Hyde Park (mirroring the Stones' famous 1969 concert in the park). As the band plays on and Terner upsets the crowd with a boring, overblown tribute to Thomas, the disembodied spirit of Oliver Haddo – now separated for his body, after having been shot in the head by Carter – attempts to possess Mina's body, while she's tripping on Moore's LSD substitute, tadukic acid diethylamide. This mind bending narcotic is synthesized from the taduki drug, which was first mentioned in the LoEG, Volume 1 in the "Allan and the Sundered Veil" prose story. While she is under the influence of the taduki and in a vulnerable state, Mina is sexually assaulted by a guy in the Hyde Park crowd, who goes by the name of Tom. This is, in fact, another clever appearance of a fictional character by Moore; Tom says his middle name is a "marvel" and that his surname is a "conundrum". Eagle-eyed fans of the Harry Potter franchise will recognise this as Tom Marvolo Riddle, a.k.a. Lord Voldemort. Tom becomes the new host for Haddo's disembodied spirit at the story's end. Regrading Mina's sexual assault, I was very critical of Moore having used Janni Dakkar's gratuitous rape in Century – 1910 as a way to give the character the motivation to claim her birthright as captain of the Nautilus. It's tempting to see Mina being molested in full public view at a rock concert for no particular plot-driven reason in much the same way. However, I think that Moore is actually making a point here about the darker side of the "free-love era". The unprecedented levels of promiscuity that the availability of the birth control pill made possible in the Swingin' Sixties might have been a glorious all-you-can-eat sexual buffet for young men, but it was occasionally something much less savoury for the young women involved. This is something that feminist author Germaine Greer was publicly calling out as early as the mid-70s in her books, and I believe that this is what Moore is eluding to or satirising in this, frankly, uncalled for molestation scene. Another interesting comment on the '60s counter-culture that Moore works into the book is the anxiety about growing old within a movement that is unhealthily preoccupied with youth. We see this in Mina's inability to deal with her immortality and her desire to never seem old-fashioned, as she perpetually chases the youth Zeitgeist, while simultaneously worrying about being old. It's something that those envelope-pushing bastions of Haight-Ashbury acid rock the Jefferson Airplane examined in their 1968 song "Lather": just how do you grow up in a culture that constantly tells you, "don't trust anyone over 30"? This fear of growing old and falling behind the times results in Mina becoming estranged from her lover, Quatermain. The sense of despair and defeat is palpable by the end of the book, as Mina ends up being more or less driven insane by her taduki hallucinations. In a flash-forward scene set in the late '70s, which serves as an epilogue to Century – 1969, we see a despondent Quatermain failing to cope with having lost his lover, his mission, his sobriety, and his link to the utopian Blazing World. Despite its downbeat ending, I really enjoyed revisiting this chapter of the series. Moore does a marvellous job of capturing both the breathless rush of possibilities that the 1960s represented to the youth of the day and examining the darker undercurrents of the decade. Though not as full of action and intrigue as the earlier volumes of the series, Century – 1969 is nonetheless another enjoyable mash-up of literary and pop culture characters, with liberal dollops of parody, pastiche and social critique.
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Post by spoon on Feb 9, 2023 23:23:26 GMT -5
I read New Mutants #26-34, Secret Wars II #1, Firestar #1-4, and the non-reprint stories from Justice League of America #116-117 (via an omnibus).
NM #26-28 is the Legion story arc. The roster has expanded, so Claremont & Sienkiewicz divide them and use only Dani, Rahne, Warlock, and Doug this arc. But it’s more than enough when you throw in Xavier, Gabrielle Haller, Moira MacTaggart, Tom Corsi & Sharon Friedlander (picking up from where they left off in the Demon Bear story), and Legion plus three personalities. As much of the story takes place on the astral plane, it’s a great opportunity for Sienkiewicz’s trippy style. For a while, it seems like one of Legion’s personalities, Jemail, is treated in a stereotypically fashion, but Claremont subverts some expectations toward the end. Legion is referred to as autistic, which I’m guessing was not so much in the public consciousness back in 1985.
We also get a continuation of the Magneto subplot that started when he was knocked to Earth from Asteroid M while Warlock was fleeing his father Magus. Magneto ends up on his old island base with Scott’s old girlfriend, Lee Forrester. Some romance ensues, but I find it very icky. It just seems like a creepy old guy thing, and Lee of all people should be wary of him. At this point, it seems odd for this subplot to unfold in New Mutants rather than Uncanny X-Men. I’d guess Claremont was already planning to make Magneto the new headmaster, so he wanted his subplot to play out mostly in NM.
The team members who weren’t on the trip to see Legion on Muir Island get their own spotlight in #29-31. Magma and Sunspot are kidnapped by a group called the Gladiators (they battle for the entertainment of rich jerks), so Cannonball and Magik have to try to save them. Sam and Illyana visit Lila Cheney to try to get help in L.A. and discover that Alison Blaire (Dazzler) is part of her band. Dazzler already met the Gladiators (I think during the Beauty and Beast mini-series). so she willing to help. We get an early appearance from Guido Carosella (later Strong Guy). Supposedly, he was in the Annual with Lila before this, but I don’t recall him there.
I’ve been so consumed with my quest for a comprehensive reading of New Mutants appearances, that I actually bought three issues of Secret Wars II off ebay. Please forgive me! The best part of SWII #1 is the cover. It’s not very good, and it’s biggest impact is shifting Rachel and Kitty into the Gladiators story arc. We also get Dazzler in a New Mutants costume in one issue of NM and the cover to SWII #1, but somehow nowhere else. The arc ends with Karma (alive but unexpectedly evil and obese) as the secret mastermind behind the Gladiators operation. Since this is Sienkiewicz’s last issue, he ends with a nifty splash page.
The next arc (#32-34) shows that Karma the puppeteer has her own puppeteer, as the two halves of the New Mutants reunite to track her down and thankfully free her. Steve Leialoha is the new penciler. He’s no Sienkiewicz, but he still does a good job drawing Warlock crazy shapeshifting and Illyana’s bangs. We get a flashback to the previously undepicted scene between #6 and #7 when Karma went missing. The stars of the arc are mostly Illyana and Warlock, but Storm is thrown into the mix during her sojourn in Africa as the New Mutants head to Cairo. S’ym gets some “screen time” as Illyana’s head minion in Limbo. But Illyana’s control over the time aspect of her teleportation is still dicey, so we get to see how Claremont vastly overestimates how technology will advance by the time the kids are middle-aged. Folks are happy Karma is alive and free of the evil that was controlling her. But Karma is sad that she’s now Jabba-shaped. I feel the best extreme weight loss plan is a trek through a magical desert. To be continued in New Mutants Special #1!
Firestar has some New Mutants content, although it’s more tied to the White Queen, the Hellions & the Massachusetts Academy than to the Mutants themselves. There’s no convenient place to read it during a New Mutants binge as there are one-year gaps between the first 3 issues. The creative team is Tom DeFalco, Mary Wilshire, and mostly inks by Steve Leialoha. It’s just okay. Firestar is hard to get excited about because she’s portrayed as so gullible. The art makes it look like it’s marketed to girls, but the content is darker than one might anticipate.
The two JLA issues feature a Hawkman fan who became a hero during Hawkman’s absence in Thanagar, followed by Hawkman’s return in a story that pits the JLA against an alien menace. These stories tend to built around cheesy puzzles; in this case the key to defeating the villain is thinking about how much the heroes hate him. This also inconsistency about the dangers of the vacuum of space.
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Post by Confessor on Feb 10, 2023 6:22:55 GMT -5
...I actually bought three issues of Secret Wars II off ebay. Please forgive me! The best part of SWII #1 is the cover. It’s not very good, and its biggest impact is shifting Rachel and Kitty into the Gladiators story arc. I have a real big soft spot for the first Secret Wars, for all its dumb super heroic faults, but yeah...SW II really sucked. It's just sooo boring!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2023 6:35:46 GMT -5
...I actually bought three issues of Secret Wars II off ebay. Please forgive me! The best part of SWII #1 is the cover. It’s not very good, and its biggest impact is shifting Rachel and Kitty into the Gladiators story arc. I have a real big soft spot for the first Secret Wars, for all its dumb super heroic faults, but yeah...SW II really sucked. It's just sooo boring! I remember when Marvel UK reprinted Secret Wars II, I think the back-up strip was Alpha Flight - which I found far more compelling…
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Post by dbutler69 on Feb 10, 2023 11:20:16 GMT -5
I have a real big soft spot for the first Secret Wars, for all its dumb super heroic faults, but yeah...SW II really sucked. It's just sooo boring! I remember when Marvel UK reprinted Secret Wars II, I think the back-up strip was Alpha Flight - which I found far more compelling… I don't know what point Alpha Flight was in at that point, but it was a fantastic comic with Byrne at the helm. It fell off a cliff as soon as he left.
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Post by spoon on Feb 11, 2023 18:10:39 GMT -5
I remember when Marvel UK reprinted Secret Wars II, I think the back-up strip was Alpha Flight - which I found far more compelling… I don't know what point Alpha Flight was in at that point, but it was a fantastic comic with Byrne at the helm. It fell off a cliff as soon as he left. It was at the end of Byrne's run. The last Byrne issue (#28) was Alpha Flight's only SWII crossover issue.
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Post by spoon on Feb 11, 2023 18:23:05 GMT -5
...I actually bought three issues of Secret Wars II off ebay. Please forgive me! The best part of SWII #1 is the cover. It’s not very good, and its biggest impact is shifting Rachel and Kitty into the Gladiators story arc. I have a real big soft spot for the first Secret Wars, for all its dumb super heroic faults, but yeah...SW II really sucked. It's just sooo boring! Secret Wars II came out right when I was getting into comics, although I was a bit more of a DC kid at the time. I remember seeing all the house ads and I've read a bunch of crossovers over the years, but this was actually the first time I ever read a full issue of SWII. I had read a few pages of an issue of SWII that were excerpted in a Power Man and Iron First Epic Collection a couple months ago. I first read the original Secret Wars when the TPB came out in the late 90s or early 2000s. I agree that it's very good at the big fun dumb super hero fights. Mike Zeck's pencils really help with all the action. But Secret Wars II #1 seems like Shooter thinks he's making a big point with Thundersword (what a stupid name & character) when it's just a muddled mess. The art team of Milgrom/Leialoha also can't provide the spectacle that Zeck/Beatty did. Also, reading it on the context of the New Mutants crossover how awkward it gets plugging the character appearances into ongoing storylines. I'm not sure the creative team got all the info on new characters, because Doug Ramsey shows up for a few panels but looks like Roberto DaCosta.
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Post by dbutler69 on Feb 11, 2023 19:16:10 GMT -5
I don't know what point Alpha Flight was in at that point, but it was a fantastic comic with Byrne at the helm. It fell off a cliff as soon as he left. It was at the end of Byrne's run. The last Byrne issue (#28) was Alpha Flight's only SWII crossover issue. The end of Byrn'e run was kinda weird. If I remember correctly, there was some plot going on with the Hulk, then Bryne just left, and the story either got finished in another title or in Alpha Flight by the new writer.
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Post by spoon on Feb 11, 2023 19:34:30 GMT -5
It was at the end of Byrne's run. The last Byrne issue (#28) was Alpha Flight's only SWII crossover issue. The end of Byrn'e run was kinda weird. If I remember correctly, there was some plot going on with the Hulk, then Bryne just left, and the story either got finished in another title or in Alpha Flight by the new writer. Incredible Hulk and Alpha Flight were swapping creative teams, with Byrne headed to the Hulk and Mantlo/Mignola coming over to Alpha Flight, so I guess the idea was crossing over would be a good way to boost both books. If I recall correctly, after Alpha Flight's fight with Omega Flight wraps up, Alpha Flight is looking for a new body for Walter Langkowski. They figure it's better ethically to pick some creature with minimal intelligence to hijack. Sensors indicate a body in an alternate dimension and that's how the Hulk is retrieved from the Crossroads where Doctor Strange banished him in #300. I'm not 100% sure if I read Alpha Flight #29 where Mantlo wraps it up; I think I did when I was doing a Hulk binge, but it just wasn't particularly memorable.
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Post by dbutler69 on Feb 12, 2023 7:53:25 GMT -5
The end of Byrn'e run was kinda weird. If I remember correctly, there was some plot going on with the Hulk, then Bryne just left, and the story either got finished in another title or in Alpha Flight by the new writer. Incredible Hulk and Alpha Flight were swapping creative teams, with Byrne headed to the Hulk and Mantlo/Mignola coming over to Alpha Flight, so I guess the idea was crossing over would be a good way to boost both books. If I recall correctly, after Alpha Flight's fight with Omega Flight wraps up, Alpha Flight is looking for a new body for Walter Langkowski. They figure it's better ethically to pick some creature with minimal intelligence to hijack. Sensors indicate a body in an alternate dimension and that's how the Hulk is retrieved from the Crossroads where Doctor Strange banished him in #300. I'm not 100% sure if I read Alpha Flight #29 where Mantlo wraps it up; I think I did when I was doing a Hulk binge, but it just wasn't particularly memorable. I'm no Mantlo basher, but his Alpha Flight run was awful.
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Post by Batflunkie on Feb 12, 2023 9:28:26 GMT -5
Reading the Moon Knight Epic Collection that I got yesterday. Read Werewolf By Night #32 and #33 and Marvel Spotlight #28
The Werewolf By Night issues were fun, even if Moon Knight is kind of the bad guy through most of it
The Spotlight issue(s) are, of course, where Moon Knight gets to shine. Something that felt weird was how self aware the book feels, with Mark commenting on how many times he's had to change identities and the bad guy of the month taking out a lackey for not submitting to his request to call him by his new name, The Conquer Lord. There's also the interesting tidbit/rumor of Mark getting bit by Russel when they fought last and partially getting the strength and stamina of a werewolf
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 12, 2023 9:32:04 GMT -5
Finished re-reading the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen: Century – 1969 last night... I really have to give this series and the previous minis, another look. I had the first 6 I think, and it didn't do much for me. Maybe it was the artwork that put me off.
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