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Post by Icctrombone on May 14, 2023 19:09:56 GMT -5
I've been binge reading the 1968 Iron Man series from 1-22. Archie Goodwin and George Tuska art the entire way with Johnny Craig inks. I'm a big fan of Tuska's artwork but Goodwin's writing is lackluster as it seems every opponent has Hulk level strength. I never realized the Unicorn the Controller , the Crusher all were heavy hitters. There are some High lights ; A LMD taking over Starks life and Armor , the love story between Stark and Janice Cord, Madame Mask. and the return of the original Iron Man suit.
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Post by Ozymandias on May 15, 2023 0:25:59 GMT -5
I read up to 24 not long ago and, while it's nothing spectacular, I liked #18.
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Post by Cei-U! on May 15, 2023 5:08:51 GMT -5
I've been binge reading the 1968 Iron Man series from 1-22. Archie Goodwin and George Tuska art the entire way with Johnny Craig inks. I'm a big fan of Tuska's artwork but Goodwin's writing is lackluster as it seems every opponent has Hulk level strength. I never realized the Unicorn the Controller , the Crusher all were heavy hitters. There are some High lights ; A LMD taking over Starks life and Armor , the love story between Stark and Janice Cord, Madame Mask. and the return of the original Iron Man suit. Aside from the first Michelinie-Layton run, this is my favorite period for Iron Man. I was buying every issue as it came out. Goodwin's writing was so fresh compared to what Stan had been doing and his dialogue was really crisp and breezy, especially compared to what Roy Thomas was doing in Avengers, Sub-Mariner, and Dr. Strange, my other favorite titles of that period. He moved the character forward with a new romance, the end of the by-now-cliched armor-out-of-power and heart-problem tropes, and even did a test run on the"someone else as Iron Man" storyline. I liked Johnny Craig's pencils more than Tuska's but both brought a lot of energy to the book. The Controller is one of the best Silver Age Marvel villains not co-created by Kirby or Ditko. You haven't gotten to #25 et which is, I think, the single best issue of Archie's 2-year tenure.I still own this run (#1 excepted) in the originals.
Cei-U! I summon the armor-clad awesomeness!
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Post by EdoBosnar on May 15, 2023 6:11:38 GMT -5
Aside from the first Michelinie-Layton run, this is my favorite period for Iron Man. I was buying every issue as it came out. Goodwin's writing was so fresh compared to what Stan had been doing and his dialogue was really crisp and breezy, especially compared to what Roy Thomas was doing in Avengers, Sub-Mariner, and Dr. Strange, my other favorite titles of that period. He moved the character forward with a new romance, the end of the by-now-cliched armor-out-of-power and heart-problem tropes, and even did a test run on the"someone else as Iron Man" storyline. I liked Johnny Craig's pencils more than Tuska's but both brought a lot of energy to the book. The Controller is one of the best Silver Age Marvel villains not co-created by Kirby or Ditko. You haven't gotten to #25 et which is, I think, the single best issue of Archie's 2-year tenure.I still own this run (#1 excepted) in the originals.
(...) I read the last chunk of the Iron Man stories from Tales of Suspense, and then the first roughly dozen issues of the newly-launched Iron Man series a few years ago, and I can't agree more with the point about IM always being on low-battery and looking for an outlet to recharge. It was a damn storytelling crutch for Lee. Goodwin was really a breath of fresh air. Otherwise, though, I consider the Michelinie-Layton run the gold standard for IM stories.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 8:17:44 GMT -5
Saw this elsewhere:  I have read some Black Panther reprint collections, but not sure that story was in any volume I read. Hope Marvel Unlimited has it. Sometimes the platform doesn’t have what I expect (I noticed some gaps in Web of Spider-Man). I imagine a licensing issue prevents any Savage Sword of Conan issues being on there. So I hope that Black Panther story is on there. |
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Post by kirby101 on May 15, 2023 9:00:06 GMT -5
Kirby's run on Black Panther gets derided a lot. But it is a fun series if read in the right light. First, like all the books Kirby did on his return, you have to read it as an book that not an intricate part of the Marvel Universe. Kirby really wanted to be left alone and not have to keep his books in other's continuity. It also feels like he was writing BP for younger readers, keeping this in mind helps the enjoyment. I especially liked his slightly meta storyline as the Panther confronts a group of Collectors. Fun action packed stories, full of invention with sometimes clunky dialog.
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Post by Ozymandias on May 15, 2023 9:05:49 GMT -5
Kirby really wanted to be left alone and not have to keep his books in other's continuity. I always saw Ditko as more interested in the universe building business. At least when doing Spider-Man. Lee followed suit. I didn't know Kirby was dragged into it, but I'm not surprised. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on May 15, 2023 9:12:40 GMT -5
I was just going back through the ToS era of Iron Man for a soon to be revealed project, and man, is Larry Lieber tough to stomach. The seeds are there though. I finished the Wolverine Epic vol. 2 today.. which has the Scorpio Connection, the Jungle Adventure, and the back end of the Madripoor era (just before Larry Hama takes over). Alot of different styles, tones and such for one volume (perhaps why it wasn't collected before).. some of it is decent. Karma finally gets to do some stuff in the last arc, which is nice. spoon If you have it Wolverine 27-30 'The Lazarus Project' might be worth you checking out for you New Mutants reading. I may get the next one at some point one I'm caught up with all the ones I already have. |
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Post by kirby101 on May 15, 2023 9:15:15 GMT -5
Kirby really wanted to be left alone and not have to keep his books in other's continuity. I always saw Ditko as more interested in the universe building business. At least when doing Spider-Man. Lee followed suit. I didn't know Kirby was dragged into it, but I'm not surprised. I think Kirby was okay in the Silver Age to have the M Universe connected. He was the driving force creating that universe. and was promised royalties from Goodman and Lee from the start. But when he came back in the 70s, he just wanted to do his thing and be left alone from by then, continuity heavy MU. |
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Post by MDG on May 15, 2023 9:53:49 GMT -5
Kirby really wanted to be left alone and not have to keep his books in other's continuity. I always saw Ditko as more interested in the universe building business. At least when doing Spider-Man. Lee followed suit. I didn't know Kirby was dragged into it, but I'm not surprised. I don't think either of them was interested in universe building apart from "these characters are on the shelf and i can take them down and use them if I want." Ditko especially; his Spider-Man didn't really work and play well with others, and Doctor Strange was kind've in a different business than most of the other Marvel superheroes.
But both Kirby and Ditko were gone by the time the "universe" became a big part of Marvel besides things like guest-appearances in annuals.
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Post by Ozymandias on May 15, 2023 13:06:45 GMT -5
Ditko especially; his Spider-Man didn't really work and play well with others, and Doctor Strange was kind've in a different business than most of the other Marvel superheroes. But both Kirby and Ditko were gone by the time the "universe" became a big part of Marvel besides things like guest-appearances in annuals.
Yes, the first Spider-Man annual in particular, was a shameless parade of the whole ensemble of Marvel characters of the time. Dr. Strange was quite removed from the rest, never implied otherwise, but this particular panel of Amazing #18, is for me, the first sign of a shared universe. Not sure about DC, but at Marvel we'd had guest stars, but nothing of this sort:  |
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Post by MDG on May 15, 2023 13:52:20 GMT -5
Ditko especially; his Spider-Man didn't really work and play well with others, and Doctor Strange was kind've in a different business than most of the other Marvel superheroes. But both Kirby and Ditko were gone by the time the "universe" became a big part of Marvel besides things like guest-appearances in annuals.
Yes, the first Spider-Man annual in particular, was a shameless parade of the whole ensemble of Marvel characters of the time. Dr. Strange was quite removed from the rest, never implied otherwise, but this particular panel of Amazing #18, is for me, the first sign of a shared universe. Not sure about DC, but at Marvel we'd had guest stars, but nothing of this sort: Actually, crossovers and guest appearances weren't too unusual at DC, especially within Julie Schwartz's books (not even counting the JLA), and team-ups in Brave and Bold started as early as '63, with two characters that didn't have their own books... Outside editorial fiefdoms, though, like real life, they only got together at weddings and funerals...
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Post by Ozymandias on May 15, 2023 14:27:53 GMT -5
Outside editorial fiefdoms, though, like real life, they only got together at weddings and funerals...
That's the thing, if they weren't interacting with one another, you wouldn't know they coexisted in the same planet, unlike the panel I posted. That's the basis of the shared universe. |
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Post by spoon on May 15, 2023 17:02:12 GMT -5
I finished the Wolverine Epic vol. 2 today.. which has the Scorpio Connection, the Jungle Adventure, and the back end of the Madripoor era (just before Larry Hama takes over). Alot of different styles, tones and such for one volume (perhaps why it wasn't collected before).. some of it is decent. Karma finally gets to do some stuff in the last arc, which is nice. spoon If you have it Wolverine 27-30 'The Lazarus Project' might be worth you checking out for you New Mutants reading. I may get the next one at some point one I'm caught up with all the ones I already have. Thanks. I read The Lazarus Project arc back when it came out. But my twin brother was the big Wolverine collector and I don't actually own a lot of those floppies, so I ended up buying the first three Wolverin Epic Collection over the past year or so. The Marvel Chronology Project's Wolverine chronology places that arc before the modern portion of Uncanny X-Men #268 but before X-Tinction Agenda, so I'll probably read it right before X-Tinction Agenda. I just ordered a few comics that I'm going to incorporate into the great New Mutants binge. My planned endpoint is the four annuals compromising the Kings of Pain crossover, which includes the last New Mutants, even though it's actually the X-Force line-up actually featured there. I'm about to enter the Liefeld era, so I'm in the home stretch. |
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Post by james on May 15, 2023 18:43:29 GMT -5
Currently reading Busiek and Alan Davis Avengers 38-43. I hated the paper used. I feel it really dumbed down Davis/Farmer art. So that makes me wonder which was worse this paper stock or the paper stock used in Alpha Flight in 1985, which when I think about it I don’t remember being used in some of my favorite Avengers issues around the time.
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