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Post by spoon on May 28, 2023 23:20:22 GMT -5
I read Quasar #8, New Mutants #90-92, New Mutants Summer Special #1, then New Mutants/Power Pack story from Marvel Fanfare #55, the Days of Future Present TPB (lead stories from Fantastic Four Annual #23, New Mutants Annual #6, X-Factor Annual #5, X-Men Annual #14), then back to New Mutants #93-94, and Wolverine #27-30.
Quasar #8 has a quick cameo from Warlock, Cannonball, and Sunspot, when Quasar detects Warlock as an alien on Earth.
New Mutants #90-91 is a two-parter with Rictor, and then the rest of the team, getting caught in between a fight in the Morlock Alley between Sabretooth and the bulked-up Caliban. It reminds me of a similar story from X-Factor involving Sabretooth, Caliban, and Archangel, so maybe it ties on with those events. Sabretooth is back despite having apparently died in NM #75. Prior stories had established that apparently dead Marauders came back, but it’s glossed over surprisingly quickly. I think the Lobdell/Nicieza period of Blue/Gold teams was when the cloning was finally explained. It’s established that basement section of the Xavier’s mansion (including the Danger Room) surviving the explosion during Inferno, so that’s the team’s base for now. I remember Cable as a drill sergeant type, but here he seems so kind and supportive to the kids. One of his first “orders” is for the team to design new costumes for themselves (presumably because Liefeld wanted to create his own). The action has some drama, but it’s a bit pointless. Also, Rictor’s clothing changes back and forth for no reason. Continuity fail. The art is pretty shaky. NM #92 is an unremarkable fill-in. Not too great, but serviceable.
New Mutants Summer Special #1 is 80-page giant Ann Nocenti meditation on media theory she’s digested from her hero, Noam Chomsky. Like other Nocenti stuff I’ve read, it’s a mixed bag of the insightful at times and way off-the-mark or heavy-handed at other times. There’s a character parodying Rupert Murdoch at a time (1990) when I think he was far from a household name in the U.S. The roster here is only Boom Boom, Sunspot, Warlock (seemingly Nocenti’s fave), and Wolfsbane, so each one gets a bit of attention. And this is the real last hurrah for Bret Blevins who left the monthly series a bit earlier.
The Days of Future Present story running through four annuals is the only stuff in the bunch I’m sure I’ve read before (might’ve also read NM #94). Unfortunately, the TPB doesn’t provide the backup stories from the floppies. It’s an interesting story, albeit of a much lesser caliber than Days of Future Past. The highlights are a big mystery regarding Franklin Richards, a view of a possible future version of the New Mutants (including a version of Douglock), a bit more of Rachel’s backstory, and the Art Adams pencils on the X-Men chapter. What I didn’t like as much was how easily Ahab can breach time (when it’s a big deal in earlier stories), Shoemaker and Bogdanove delivering art below the standards each did on previous New Mutants related stories, and Claremont’s obsessive post-Madelyne hatred of Cyclops where he now tries to suggest Rachel isn’t Scott’s daughter. I think that hint has been ignored by other writers. Also, there’s a suggestion that Cable might be Ahab. I read somewhere that Louise Simonson and Rob Liefeld individually came up with separate backstories where they wanted Cable to come from the future. Only Simonson is credited on this storyline, but I think the Ahab connection is a bad idea.
Speaking of Cable, if he’s from the future, it seems odd that he has such a long history in the present. A few issues back, the New Mutants held a stranger fight off Freedom Force in an alley. Almost immediately, the stranger (Cable) is allowed to supervision the kids and they heartily. Maybe that’s because all the adults seem to know him already and vouch for him. Moira knows him. Sean knows him. There might have also been dialogue to the effect that Forge knows him, too.
Which brings us to Madripoor in #93-94, and guess what: Wolverine knows Cable. The team is there to stop Stryfe and the MLF (in the form of three poorly drawn annoying members) from shipping out a killer drug to poison water supplies around the world. The kids are calling Cable “sir” all the time and praising him left and right for their training. It’s like the opposite of the reaction to Magneto. So it’s disconcerting when Wolverine stumbles upon them and fights Cable. Somehow the fight is explained as simultaneously serious and not, but they’re both stupid because the lack the urgency about poisoned drinking water that will kill millions. The only reason for the fight seems to be that the cover says it had to happen. Meanwhile, Cannonball kisses Dragoness of the MLF to steal some keys some way Liefeld’s art is incapable of doing, and then Boom Boom kisses Cannonball just because. Also, Wolfsbane and Rictor are suddenly an item specifically because it makes no sense. Really. But everything turns out okay because for now Stryfe is much weaker than the hype. Liefeld continues to struggle with the art. He handles Wolverine better than other characters, except the claws are too long to fit in his forearms. Finally, we get a Sunspot guest appearance that seems superfluous, and he just acts full of himself.
Wolverine #27-30 is the Lazarus Project arc. I read it for the Karma guest appearances. It’s a tight fit in the chronology, but all of Logan’s solo title arcs are during this period. Back in Madripoor, Wolverine gets wind of a scheme involving someone named Pinnochio was beats the crap out of Jessica Drew. From a New Mutants standpoint, it’s good to see that Karma realizes Patch is Wolverine after an earlier Claremont made it seem like she was too stupid to see the obvious. Also, she gets in on a lot of the action and writer Jo Duffy puts an end to a Claremont subplot that had trapped Shan. Duffy is good at following the Claremontian Patch noir style, but with fewer scripting cliches. On the hand, the planning for the arc seems off. The crucial MacGuffin is abandoned. Some motives never get explained. There’s some pointless slaughter. But there’s some pathos and an interesting Frankenstein-type story. With three pencilers in four issues, the art is inconsistent (with one character changing from Asian to Caucasian appearance). Duffy seems to have set things up for a writer to move on from Madripoor, which I believe happens after this arc.
I’m close to the end. But with the X-Tinction Agenda crossover, there are still some issues outside of the New Mutants series itself.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 29, 2023 15:16:30 GMT -5
Tower f Shadows #4, which I had not only forgotten I had, but had forgotten I had ever read. The whole thing felt completely new.
It has a nice Marie Severin cover and three original mystery stories in the vein of what DC's House of Mystery would offer. These Marvel mystery mags used to reprint a lot of older material, so I don't know if ToS habitually printed new stuff. (I don't mind either way).
The artists are Don Heck (much better suited to this type of material than to superheroes, in my opinion), Gene Colan (decidedly in his element) and Tom Sutton (who goes for a sort of underground vibe). Don Heck uses himself as his story's presenter, making self-deprecating jokes about his age since the story features young Hippies who get mixed up with a demon's summoning and end up transformed into a middle-class couple complaining about money (NOOOOOOOOO)! The second story (the Colan one) is a less humorous, dealing with a nasty young businessman who mocks a Gypsy's prediction about his impending death with the result one can expect.
The Sutton story features caricatural spies who smuggle some kind of death ray machine into a self-aware haunted house next to an American plutonium enrichment plant with the intention of blowing the latter up and collecting a huge reward from a hostile foreign power (a sentence that has probably never been written before in the entire history of the English language). Their nefarious plans come to naught when the sentient house turns on them and destroys not only the machine, but also itself (poor house!) and the aircraft in which the spies were attempting to flee. Extra point for originality: the foreign power appears to be the United Kingdom and not the USSR!
It is not something I would actively hunt down, but considering the 15 cents cover price I don't think any customer would have felt cheated.
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Post by wildfire2099 on May 30, 2023 8:08:37 GMT -5
Finished a couple things this weekend... Ace Trucking was one of the clearance trades I got around Christmas time... if you have fond memories of Smoky and the Bandit, you'll at least get a kick out of this. It's a space version of the 80s CB/trucker stereotype. Fun for a bit, but they clearly run out of ideas and it jumps the shark... I suspect the first Volume is probably better.
I had also picked up Astounding Wolf-Man, not realizing it was in the Inivicible universe, and seemed to be pretty much the same origin story. Not terrible, but nothing I need to read more of.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2023 8:12:57 GMT -5
Finished a couple things this weekend... Ace Trucking was one of the clearance trades I got around Christmas time... if you have fond memories of Smoky and the Bandit, you'll at least get a kick out of this. It's a space version of the 80s CB/trucker stereotype. Fun for a bit, but they clearly run out of ideas and it jumps the shark... I suspect the first Volume is probably better. Fantastic strip. I don’t know if there have been any recent adventures, but I think it is one of the most underrated and undervalued 2000 AD strips.
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Post by Confessor on May 30, 2023 16:58:15 GMT -5
Finished a couple things this weekend... Ace Trucking was one of the clearance trades I got around Christmas time... if you have fond memories of Smoky and the Bandit, you'll at least get a kick out of this. It's a space version of the 80s CB/trucker stereotype. Fun for a bit, but they clearly run out of ideas and it jumps the shark... I suspect the first Volume is probably better. I thought Ace Trucking Co. was hilarious and just sooooo cool back when I was about 10 or 11. I suspect that it wouldn't have aged well for me.
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Post by wildfire2099 on May 30, 2023 20:35:52 GMT -5
It's definitely very 80s. They did a bit of an epilogue chapter (which was in the trade I have). I think there was like one or two other short strips for anniversary issues and such.
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Post by commond on May 30, 2023 20:54:31 GMT -5
The problem was that Wagner and Grant became tired of writing the strip and kept trying to kill the character off, but the fans kept demanding that he return. That’s the reason why the strip gets worse over time. That said, I’m not big on reading collected versions of 2000 AD strips. In my mind, they’re better off being read weekly side by side with the other stories. Especially the comedy stuff, which works better in smaller doses.
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Post by berkley on May 30, 2023 21:51:30 GMT -5
The problem was that Wagner and Grant became tired of writing the strip and kept trying to kill the character off, but the fans kept demanding that he return. That’s the reason why the strip gets worse over time. That said, I’m not big on reading collected versions of 2000 AD strips. In my mind, they’re better off being read weekly side by side with the other stories. Especially the comedy stuff, which works better in smaller doses.
I went through some of the 2000AD collections over a few years fairly recently, just finishing a year or two back, and though I started off with the intention of reading the individual features separately, I soon found myself falling into the approach you recommend, even though it took a bit of effort (not much) when doing it with the collections rather than the actual issue/prog). Once I had the various features lined up, I started looking up the issue on comics.org and get the cover on the screen and also check the contents to make sure I had the right installment of each feature for that issue. I read Rogue Trooper, Nemesis, Tharg's Future Shocks, Halo Jones, and a few others in this manner and it worked much better for me than reading them separately - so much so that I think I'd buy the originals if I saw them cheap somewhere.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 31, 2023 7:59:39 GMT -5
Beware #4 (Marvel comics).
This is a mystery title reprinting stuff from the 1950s. In this issue, with a new Gil Kane cover, we have four tales that start with a Stan Lee / Carmine Infantino collaboration that might have my favourite Infantino art ever! It's moody, it conveys emotion, and it has little of the overly angular look I associate with his later work.
The second story drawn by one Larry Woromay is just delightful with its quirky art and its satisfying (if telegraphed) plot twist. It's about a genie in a bottle who's abused by the fellow who freed him (to his later eternal regret).
The third story is a Lee / Tartaglione quickie, and for the third time the art style is really not what you'd find in a typical 60s-70s Marvel comic. This looks more like EC stuff.
Ditto for the final tale, with art by one Jay Scott Pike. Credit where credit's due: Mr, Pike knows how to draw a man holding a rifle (something not all comic artists can manage. Same thing for a bow). The twist ending makes no sense but is amusing.
Now to me, the highlight of the issue is twofold and is surprisingly found in the house ads! One is a half-page drawn by Barry Smith (it's a variation on the cover of Conan #21), announcing the return of the Savage Tales magazine. The second is a full page ad for Conan annual #1, with the same brilliant BWS art from that issue's cover, but coloured a different way. That alone makes Beware #4 a collector's item, as far as I'm concerned!
In retrospect, that constant referencing to other comics (through house ads and through the Bullpen Bulletins) what a big part in what made Marvel comics so appealing to the young reader I was. There was this feeling that there was always something more to discover, and that we already had a foot in the door. Even in a comic reprinting stories from the 1950s!
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Post by gryffin on May 31, 2023 8:56:55 GMT -5
I'm reading through Silver Surfer a second time. I've also just started the original run of Spider-Man. Super good. I'm most surprised to learn though that Peter is really bitter and resentful in the early days. I hadn't known that he felt so bullied by Flash Thompson and is distraught by not being able to use his newfound proportional strength of a spider.
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Post by spoon on May 31, 2023 23:33:59 GMT -5
I read the X-Tinction Agenda TPB (Uncanny X-Men #270-272, New Mutants #95-97, X-Factor #60-62), then Uncanny X-Men #273, and finally New Mutants #98-100.
Although there are several Liefeld New Mutants I had never read before this binge, I've read the whole of X-Tinction Agenda before. In both writing and (especially) art, the Uncanny X-Men chapter are by far the best. In X-Factor, Jon Bogdanove's art has lost the charm from his work in X-Terminators and bits of New Mutants. He draws characters to look like cavemen, especially & ironically Scott "Slim" Summers. I feel like Weezie is scripting to the art, with the attitude she gives Scott toward his brother Alex. Liefeld is a mess here. Even his dynamism is gone, perhaps because there's a hodgepodge of inkers. But Jim Lee's art on Uncanny is sublime.
As the arc starts, the New Mutants and portions of the rebuilding X-Men roster are living side-by-side in the basement levels under the wreckage of Xavier's mansion. There's a scene where a hysterical Rahne complains to Storm (who has hung out with Marvel Girl) about the X-Men always being resurrected while Doug Ramsey stays dead. Storm coldly swats away Rahne's comments while admitting to Stevie Hunter (appearing for the first time in forever) that she "messed up."
I feel Claremont is this close to actually getting it. He tends to have characters getting into arguments with Wolverine or Storm, only to be chastened when his faves (Logan & Storm) make some cool badass argument to put their naive, soft teammates in their place. He never lets the others have good arguments or show up his faves even when it would seem to fit the story. Another writer could transform Rahne's rant into a coherent argument, and Claremont hints at that with Storm's comments to Stevie (but stop at about a third of the way). Storm took the X-Men gallivanting across the country with a plan to fake their deaths (before they actually died & were resurrecting). There was some pretext that it would help the X-Men strike their enemies, but it was a strained argument & seems like an excuse just to do something badass. And the New Mutants really paid for it. They now only had the supervision of Magneto, who had a disastrous tenure of piecemeal guidance. Doug died soon after. The New Mutants proceed to hemorrhage members for the next 3 years. When the Genoshans attack, she makes s a tactical decision to lock out other from providing reinforcement. Warlock eventually dies as the grotesque cyborg Cameron Hodge, allied with the Genoshans, tries to acquire Warlock's power. There's a bit of blame from some of the kids that Storm's decision led to the death, but it's given lip service rather than Storm taking it to heart seriously or the adults (aside from Cable) finding fault.
But with my rant aside, it's actually an interesting crossover. The plot is undergirded by tension between Cameron Hodge and the Genoshans over their plans. Cameron Hodge is a powerful ally, but he's also on a derange mission of revenge and anti-mutant genocide. The Genoshan government is built on a foundation of enslaving mutants, but they want to keep their secrets hidden under a veneer of diplomacy rather than overplaying their cards. Hodge was previously decapitated by Archangel in the pages of X-Factor, but he made a deal with the demon Nashtirh for immortality, so now he's a hideous cyborg Frankenstein. Enough of the horror of the character is played out to be interesting, not just disturbing.
There are a lot of interesting interpersonal dynamics among the mutant teams. Jubilee gets to hand with Rictor and Boom Boom, and is the only hero who goes the full storyline without getting captured (unless getting pinned to a wall for a few minutes counts). Unfortunately, one of the weirdest interpersonal dynamics is between two New Mutants. After being hinted at for a couple of issues, it turns out that Rahne and Rictor are really into each other. They share a kiss. It's very weird and doesn't feel earned. It's like a random pairing that doesn't fit their personalities. Maybe it's because Rahne isn't written off the team by deciding to stay in Genoshan to help build a better society. She was mutated by the Genosha's mad scientist Genengineer. Some of the change was reversed, but both her human and wolf forms are messed up. This leads to a cascading effect decides to leave in the middle of the night in the first post-crossover issue (#98) to chase after Rahne.
So the crossover has taken out two members during the event, and a third in its aftermath. We do get a hint of renewal in the final scene of X-Tinction agenda when the husk of the team sprinkles Warlock's ashes on Doug's grave. It has final scene of Wrath of Khan vibes, but I believe this doesn't pay off until years later in the pages of Excalibur.
Uncanny #273 is an aftermath/recovery issue that lays the groundwork for future developments in all three X-team books. On the New Mutant side, that includes setting up a schism with the other guys. In spite of Cable's love for giant guns, his earliest appearances actually make him seem like a nice guy who several people from the X-books seemingly already know and trust. But there are some tensions in X-Tinction agenda, and by UXM #273 Cable is lecturing Scott, Jean, and Ororo about how it's a war. It's all very tedious.
Simonson gets the heave-ho as #98-100 feature plotting by Liefeld with scripts by Fabian Nicieza (who scripted a Simonson plot a few issues before). The series goes out with both a bang and a whimper. The bang is that a lot of changes are going on. Lots of characters are shuffling in (heroes and villains), while other are departing. It's basically three issues of set-up for the launch of X-Force. Also, Liefeld inks his own pencils. As bad he is with things like anatomy and facial expressions, somehow his own inks at least allow some dynamism, while many inkers don't seem to know what to do with him. The whimper is basically the flip side of the whole setting up X-Force deal. We don't get much in the way of nice character moments to appreciate the legacy of 100 issues. The closest is a Sam/Tabitha moment in #100, and they haven't even known each other for long. We don't get any last memorable stories. It's very mechanistic.
After the Hellfire Club/Hellions serving as a recurring element for many of the first 75 issues, they been absent for 20+ issues. But James Proudstar, Thunderbird and brother of the original Thunderbird makes the leap from the Hellions to New Mutants. On one hand, it makes sense because he was the most noble one on the team. On the other hand, it would've been nice to set up a development like that. I don't think the code name Warpath shows up yet.
Maybe Proudstar is joining the team because the last person of color on the formerly diverse roster, Sunspot, leaves in #99. You see, Roberto's dad has died, and his friend Gideon convinces him he needs to lead the team to handle the family business. Gideon, who we've never met before, wears weird creepy super-villain boots and has long, Liefeldian super-villain ponytail, and an evil super-villain grin. But somehow Berto trusts his advice to become a teenage CEO. It helps he doesn't realize that Gideon actually poisoned his father.
There are actually other people of color joining, if you count Domino being chalk-white as a color. She also has a black spot around one eye that must be part of her costume, because she doesn't wear it when she's just training in the gym. She's Cable's friend who shows up to help him cobble together a new roster. It's so bizarre that the kids seem to trust Cable and call him "sir" when he does stuff like inviting this weird stranger into the mansion. Berto would've been someone to push back against authority back in the day, but he seemed to fade into the background in the issues leading up to his departure.
So many there's another new person of color if you count Feral, a brown-furred Morlock who seeks refuge with the team because Masque has it out for her. Apparently, she actually Hispanic too (so an actual person of color), but we don't get into that in these issues. It very weird that right after Wolfsbane is written out, we get Feral. But maybe this was a way to use similar powers in a character more to Liefeld's liking. She's more well-endowed (has a really long tail), doesn't mind killing people, and is a feline rather than a canine. She's annoying, but not as much as I remember.
On the other hand, Shatterstar is really annoying. He pops into the Danger Room out of nowhere, just like Longshot did, and claims to be from the future of Longshot's world seeking the aid of the X-Men. Cable says his group is better. [Eye roll] Shatterstar is the quintessential X-Force member: ultraviolent, stupid design, says weird stuff, like to talk about war.
Along the way the first appearance of Deadpool in #98, as an assassin sent to kill Cable. He's been told Cable's name is Nathan. Maybe it's been decided he's Baby Summers, because otherwise it's a big coincidence. Although Scott like to call his son by the middle name Christopher, his first name is Nathan, and he's a couple pages from being sent to the future to try to cure a techno-organic virus.
A last "where are they now" note: in his pow-wow with Domino, Cable rejects all the past members for his new roster. The video monitor identifies "Skids Blevins" with "none" as her codename. Am I the only one who remembers her real name is Sally Blevins? Skids is in fact a codename/nickname. I know she used to hang with the Morlocks, but even her parents knew enough not to name their baby Skids! Skids and Rusty are an unavailable because they show up in a final scene with the MLF and Stryfe. He's sending MLF members on terrorist. Rusty objects, but not too strongly. When Stryfe removes his mask, he's got the face of a certain gun enthusiast who likes being called sir. Meanwhile, Cable has convince his team to leave the X-Mansion to fight a "war" and Cannonball suggests X-Force as a new team name. So my reading of the monthly series is over! I've got a little reading yet, because I'm reading the Kings of Pain story that runs through 4 annuals, including New Mutants Annual #7, even though the team in that story is actually X-Force. I'm also going to read a guest appearance in Cloak and Dagger that occurs just after Inferno, because I only received that issue a few days ago.
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Post by Ozymandias on Jun 1, 2023 0:53:47 GMT -5
Claremont had bore me to death during JRJR's tenure, and I stopped while Silvestri was still on board. I don't think I read any of the Jim Lee issues, or at least I have no recollection of doing so.
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Post by majestic on Jun 2, 2023 19:33:18 GMT -5
Just finished Power of Shazam 2 which collects #13-23 plus several other stories. Loved reading these stories. I don't remember why but I didn't read the rest of the series after the first 12 issues. Ordway really did a great job updating the Marvel Family and keeping some of the charm from the 40s.
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Post by badwolf on Jun 2, 2023 19:54:54 GMT -5
I dropped X-Men during Silvestri as well. Somewhere around Inferno, I think.
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Post by Ozymandias on Jun 3, 2023 4:32:32 GMT -5
Sounds about right.
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