Post by Batflunkie on Sept 19, 2023 19:24:56 GMT -5
Amazing Spider-Man #20-#27
I think my favorite thing about these issues is Jonah slowly enacting revenge on Spider-Man with Scorpion and Smythe's first robot. I also loved the fact that because Peter had to basically make a dummy out of his suit and webbing to fool Jonah and Smythe that they captured him, Peter had to venture into a costume shop and buy a new Spider-Man suit that didn't fit him properly that he had to keep constantly tailoring with his own webbing
That's the kind of creative thinking in comic books that sorely missing these days
"I trust that a certain knowledge of popular culture will provide a reassuring familiarity in an otherwise strange and hostile environment."~ Charlie, The Last American #1
I think my favorite thing about these issues is Jonah slowly enacting revenge on Spider-Man with Scorpion and Smythe's first robot. I also loved the fact that because Peter had to basically make a dummy out of his suit and webbing to fool Jonah and Smythe that they captured him, Peter had to venture into a costume shop and buy a new Spider-Man suit that didn't fit him properly that he had to keep constantly tailoring with his own webbing
That's the kind of creative thinking in comic books that sorely missing these days
It’s all so great! #21 with the Human Torch and the Beetle and Dorrie Evans! (By far, Dorrie’s best appearance!) And the Clown and the Masters of Menace! And all the gang bosses are named “Lucky”! And the one where Mysterio pretends to be a psychiatrist AND ALMOST GETS HIM! I don’t think there’s any run that I’ve read as often as Ditko’s Spider-Man. It’s the greatest.
With this flying dreadnaught under me, I can wipe out all mankind! Now the Hulk will be the HUNTER instead of the HUNTED!
And the one where Mysterio pretends to be a psychiatrist AND ALMOST GETS HIM! I don’t think there’s any run that I’ve read as often as Ditko’s Spider-Man. It’s the greatest.
I almost completely forgot about the "shrink" issue, I meant to post about it because it was just that good
"I trust that a certain knowledge of popular culture will provide a reassuring familiarity in an otherwise strange and hostile environment."~ Charlie, The Last American #1
Post by Batflunkie on Sept 25, 2023 8:57:38 GMT -5
Amazing Spider-Man #28-#39
So I just finished Ditko's run, "Just A Guy Named Joe" was a good story to end his run on I think. Not much to say about "The Master Planner" saga that probably hasn't been echoed before. Thought it made for a pretty darned good read. I also found time slowly looping back in itself with Peter's college class mates shunning him much like how he was in High School when in reality he was just worried about Aunt May
I was kind of hesitant to read ish 39, worrying that there would be some kind of tonal shift due to changing of the guard from Ditko to Romita, but those fears were quickly tossed aside. It was good issue. It was weird to me that they had slowly built up the "who's the green goblin?" and it turns out to be Norman Osborn who's only been in the past handful of issues. But you do kind of see his evil streak fairly early on and it makes sense. I wonder if it was Stan's idea to shoehorn Osborn in as Gobby or somebody else
Last Edit: Sept 25, 2023 11:19:27 GMT -5 by Batflunkie
"I trust that a certain knowledge of popular culture will provide a reassuring familiarity in an otherwise strange and hostile environment."~ Charlie, The Last American #1
Post by Slam_Bradley on Sept 25, 2023 11:03:35 GMT -5
I finished up Walt Kelly's Fables and Funnies which reprints work from Kelly's time at Dell. It's a hodge-podge of Mother Goose, funny animals and general little kid stuff. The stories are all pretty sweet, but not terribly filling. The outlier is definitely a long story from Our Gang where there's a modest feeling of peril. It is interesting as a Pogo fan to see some characters that look an awful lot like Pogo characters, particularly a dead ringer for Howland Owl.
I don't think I'd want a steady diet of this stuff, but it read perfectly fine reading a story or two every couple of days.
This is one of those B&W "artist collections" featuring Will Elder. I bought this for two things.. the Ray Bradbury adaptations (of which there are only two), and Elder's PANIC work. I have read all of the MAD comics issues, and have several collections of various stories from them, but had never read PANIC. It's really great. Whereas MAD was written by Kurtzman, PANIC was written by Feldstein. Some of his comedic wordplay had me laughing out loud, and a LOT of the jokes, particularly in the Lil Abner and Joe Palooka parodies, were super "inside baseball", with references to the feud between them, Fisher trying to sabotage Capp's career, and Fisher trying to pick up chicks and schmooze people through messages in his strip. Really wonderful stuff. Now I need to find the Panic archives that I passed up on earlier. Stupid me.
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It was weird to me that they had slowly built up the "who's the green goblin?" and it turns out to be Norman Osborn who's only been in the past handful of issues. But you do kind of see his evil streak fairly early on and it makes sense. I wonder if it was Stan's idea to shoehorn Osborn in as Gobby or somebody else
Osborn was introduced as a nameless background character as far back as AS-M #23 so Ditko, who was doing all the plotting by that point, probably had this reveal in mind all along, with Stan along for the ride. It's no coincidence that those first two issues after Ditko wrapped up the Goblin/Osborn storyline, allowing Lee and Romita to reshape the series' direction as quickly as possible.
I picked this hardcover up at Ollile's for a steal. I am a HUGE Blackhawk fan, but really only the Evanier/Spiegel run in the 80's. I had never read Chaykin's take, as I love his art, but grow weary of his stocking and garter fetishes, etc. So, for the price, I thought I would give it a go. The book contains the original Chaykin series, and all of the Blackhawk appearances from Action Comics Weekly.
I am torn. Chaykin's art is a win, just as is Burchett's art on the ACW portions. I wasn't crazy about the portrayal of Blackhawk as a Communist who fell out of favor with Stalin, and then decided to defect. I did like the story otherwise, with the American actor/Nazi sympathizer, etc. I really much preferred the more "adventure strip" ACW content. Chaykin has a way of telling a story that requires me to read and re-read to understand what's going on. Pasko and Grell's stories were more straightforward, and clear to me.
One weird thing... it was REALLY strange to be reading ACTION COMICS where there is nudity, swearing, and sexual situations... I guess when they dropped that comics code, they really dropped it. There are several instances of Blackhawk naked (from behind, usually), and once in a tub with two naked girls. Lots of innuendo. And a character who is really fond of saying "fuggin'".
The last story was an issue-long story featuring ALL of the stars of ACW... Superman, Green Lantern, Black Canary, and Blackhawk. I found it completely unreadable and pointless. I guess they were going to go out with a bang, before returning the the monthly adventures of Supes solo, but it didn't work for me.
Stan kept telling the false story that Ditko wanted the Goblin to be a nameless man nobody knew, and Stan made the good choice to have him be Osborn. This is more self agrandizing from Lee. Claiming another idea not his. He and Ditko were not talking by then, so they would not have had an argument about the plots of Spider-Man, Ditko did that without Lee's input. Since Ditko was doing the sole plotting on Spider-Man for a few years, it is obvious from early on, as Osborn makes unnamed appearances, that Ditko was setting him up to be the Goblin. Stan did not introduce Harry and Norman, Ditko did, the only thing Stan did was reveal Osborn as soon as Ditko left. Ditko probably had a longer story arc down the road for that.
"For want of a better name!"
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I've always suspected Stan was misremembering, confusing the Goblin with the Crime-Master (who did turn out to be a "man nobody knew"), rather than deliberately lying about it. Like a lot of people with bad memories, he told certain stories so often he came to believe they were true. My brother's like that: you can see the cognitive dissonance on his face when you correct him and he realizes he's remembering something wrong.
I've always suspected Stan was misremembering, confusing the Goblin with the Crime-Master (who did turn out to be a "man nobody knew"), rather than deliberately lying about it. Like a lot of people with bad memories, he told certain stories so often he came to believe they were true. My brother's like that: you can see the cognitive dissonance on his face when you correct him and he realizes he's remembering something wrong.
Cei-U! I summon the half-hearted defense!
I agree with this. Some wrestlers often seem to do the same, they’ll conflate wrestling at a certain arena with a main event match they wrestled in years later (or years prior). I mean, some lie (Hulk Hogan recently told a lie about bringing Simon Cowell to America). But I guess in many cases, some just conflate things.
A friend of mine could be like that. There was no lie or attempt at deceit. But he’d conflate things. He’d take something such as a wedding - which we both attended - and share an anecdote which was true, but the anecdote that he shared didn’t actually happen at the wedding. The anecdote was true, but it occurred somewhere else, a holiday perhaps. And then he’ll probably get the year wrong, too.
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I've always suspected Stan was misremembering, confusing the Goblin with the Crime-Master (who did turn out to be a "man nobody knew"), rather than deliberately lying about it. Like a lot of people with bad memories, he told certain stories so often he came to believe they were true. My brother's like that: you can see the cognitive dissonance on his face when you correct him and he realizes he's remembering something wrong.
Cei-U! I summon the half-hearted defense!
Sorry, Stan was such a serial mis-rememberer, and always with him being the one who did the important things, and even after he was repeatedly corrected, that the only conclusion is that Stan's biggest creation was that he was the one who came up with all the ideas that made Marvel great. At some point people will have to come to grips that Stan flat out lied. I understand the love for the man, but his famous "bad-memory" was only in service of the legend of Stan Lee.
I seriously doubt Stan would remember the Crime Master from two issues he only dialoged. And again, he kept saying for years he and Ditko argued about who the Goblin was, and HE, not Ditko, decided it was Osborn. He and Ditko weren't talking, he had nothing to do with the plots of Spider-Man, and Ditko obviously was setting up Osborn to be the GG.
There is even the story from Lee advocates that Ditko quit over the Goblin reveal. And how Stan made the right choice. (even Neal Gaiman fell for this myth). Ditko quit over royalties and not getting the credit due him.
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"For want of a better name!"
Cei-U!
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There was so much misinformation circulating in the early days of fandom. I remember hearing from a "knowledgeable" fan back in college that Lee and Ditko quarreled because Ditko wanted to reveal that Jonah Jameson was the Goblin and quit in a huff when Stan pointed out that JJJ was in New York at the same time Gobby was fighting Spidey in California (AS-M #14). A few weeks later, somebody else told me the "anonymous nobody" version. Even then, I figured Ditko always intended Osborn to be GG based purely on his appearances in the background of earlier issues.
Lee and Ditko didn't quarrel about the plots because early on Ditko did all the plotting and Stan first saw the story when the pages were delivered. Same with every Dr. Strange story, and same with many FF stories, where Kirby even put notes about the dialog in the margins.