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Post by sabongero on Feb 18, 2016 22:07:50 GMT -5
I remember reading a three-parter where the comic book was from the early 90's. It had Spider-Man, Ghost Rider, Wolverine, and Grey Hulk as the new Fantastic Four for a few issues. I forgot what the story was about, but remember it was nice to look visually with Todd McFarlane I think illustrating the book. But that foursome was a nice combination, and would have been something I would have definitely read if it was an ongoing team with those four as a group. That book was drawn by Art Adams. Thanks for the correction. It must have been in the era when McFarlane was illustrating Grey Hulk. Hence probably that's why I thought it was McFarlane. Glad we have longtime reader of comics in this website. It is more helpful with details. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Feb 20, 2016 15:50:19 GMT -5
Ten Favorite Lee/Kirby Fantastic Four stories
1) # 51 This Man/This Monster.
2) # 5 First Joe Sinnott/Doctor Doom/Pirate Thing!
3) # 48-50 Galactus story
4) # 94 "The Return of the Frightful Four" (1st Agatha Harkness)
5) # 66-67 "Him!"
6) # 34 "Behold a Distant Star"
7) #57-60 Doom with Surfer's powers
8) # 90-93 Space Gangsters!
9) # 13 "The Red Ghost and his Indestructable Super Apes!" (First Watcher, too!)
10) # 40 "The Battle of the Baxter Building"
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Post by coke & comics on Feb 20, 2016 18:00:18 GMT -5
Ten Favorite Lee/Kirby Fantastic Four stories 2) # 5 First Joe Sinnott/Doctor Doom/Pirate Thing! I know it's possible to find joy in Thing with a black beard, but I fear I am not one able to get past the absurdities of the story to find the joy. This is perhaps my least favorite Dr. Doom story. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 20, 2016 18:15:40 GMT -5
I have to say that Byrne really wrote very good Doom and Galactus stories. I'm not sure many people knew what to do with Doom.
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Post by tolworthy on Feb 21, 2016 4:15:22 GMT -5
Ten Favorite Lee/Kirby Fantastic Four stories 2) # 5 First Joe Sinnott/Doctor Doom/Pirate Thing! I know it's possible to find joy in Thing with a black beard, but I fear I am not one able to get past the absurdities of the story to find the joy. This is perhaps my least favorite Dr. Doom story. Sean Kleefeld once did some research on that story, and found it actually fits pretty well with the life of Edward Teach (the real Blackbeard): teach had a remarkably short career (IIRC, 27 months), nobody had a clear idea what he looked like (beyond the black beard, obviously) except he was very large, etc. But the real point of that story, when taken in context, is this is where Ben Grimm's spirit is broken. In the first four issues he was angry, even homicidal, because Reed had taken everything from him. At the start of issue 1 he was the greatest success story: the tough guy from the streets who, through his own efforts had risen to be a top test pilot. (Contrast with Reed who inherited his wealth.) Unlike Reed, Ben was muscular, handsome, passionate, sociable, and had a good chance of winning Sue's love. Sue was a noted beauty, and Ben had the hots for her, hence only she could persuade him to go on the doomed escapade. And so, due to his tragic flaw (romantic love clouded his judgment) and Reed's mistake, by the end of issue 1 Ben was a walking monster, and had lost everything. Reed only had one job: design the ship. But even non-scientist Ben could see that Reed hadn't added enough shielding. Basically, Reed destroyed Ben's life. In issue 5 Ben had the chance to start again, to be somebody. But at the end he had to give in and accept Reed as his master. It was a real tragedy. Reed's triumph over Ben had a few more cruel steps yet: Ben was not completely infantalised until issue 15. But issue 5 is where his spirit was broken. Add to that the sheer amazing fun of magic, super-science, castles, time travel and pirates, and I agree with Reptisaurus: it's one of the all time great issues. Plus the first Dr Doom, and the first to be inked by Sinnott, so it had everything. |
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Post by coke & comics on Feb 21, 2016 13:51:43 GMT -5
I have to say that Byrne really wrote very good Doom and Galactus stories. I'm not sure many people knew what to do with Doom. I think a lot of people know what to do with Doom. I've read a gazillion great Doom stories, many from writers I would otherwise consider to be basically hacks. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 21, 2016 15:41:29 GMT -5
I have to say that Byrne really wrote very good Doom and Galactus stories. I'm not sure many people knew what to do with Doom. I think a lot of people know what to do with Doom. I've read a gazillion great Doom stories, many from writers I would otherwise consider to be basically hacks. Waid didn't know what to do with him. He turned him into a sadist without any honor. |
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Post by coke & comics on Feb 21, 2016 23:26:37 GMT -5
I think a lot of people know what to do with Doom. I've read a gazillion great Doom stories, many from writers I would otherwise consider to be basically hacks. Wait didn't know what to do with him. He turned him into a sadist without any honor. I remember a poll for best Doom stories and I had trouble picking only 10. The whole of Astonishing Tales and Super-Villain Team-Up and Doom 2099. I remember fondly stories from X-Factor #312 by Englehart and Avengers #332-333 by Hama. The post-Heroes Reborn stuff by Dixon. And that's essentially just the random stuff, without getting into the great Doom stories. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 22, 2016 6:43:13 GMT -5
Wait didn't know what to do with him. He turned him into a sadist without any honor. I remember a poll for best Doom stories and I had trouble picking only 10. The whole of Astonishing Tales and Super-Villain Team-Up and Doom 2099. I remember fondly stories from X-Factor #312 by Englehart and Avengers #332-333 by Hama. The post-Heroes Reborn stuff by Dixon. And that's essentially just the random stuff, without getting into the great Doom stories. I was referring to stories in the FF book. Avengers 332 , I remember him being a robot at the end. |
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Post by String on Feb 22, 2016 17:52:42 GMT -5
For me, Walt Simonson's run was the last time it all felt like the FF. The only thing wrong with Simonson's run was that it was too short. I will say that I enjoyed the first three issues of the Heroes Return FF by Alan Davis and Scott Lobdell and feel that that team had a lot of promise. Claremont came on the book with #4. I'm a big Claremont X-Men fan, but I never felt he fully understood the FF. Simonson had some terrific issues in his far too short of a run. I seem to recall one where Reed was fighting Doom in between the ticking of seconds. The layout of the issue was unusual and had to be read in a certain way because of the nature of this fight (which was connected to the Time Variance Authority I think. Been awhile since I read it). I recently re-read those early Heroes Reborn issues with Lobdell and Davis and I was surprised by them, especially #1. It was a great re-start to the family and team after the debacle of Reborn. With Claremont though, I enjoyed his time on the book. I thought he had a fairly strong outlook on the family dynamics, but what I enjoyed was the juxtaposition of non-traditional FF elements. By bringing in some elements that were more X-familiar, Claremont pushed the family into confrontations and locales that they normally did not have. Having LaRocca as your artist didn't hurt either. Claremont was on the book for what, 30 some issues or so? A decent run nonetheless. |
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Post by dupersuper on Feb 23, 2016 4:33:03 GMT -5
I haven't read as much as I'd like, but I've liked what I've read (a little Lee, a couple Thomas, some Byrne, a few Waid, about 2/3rds of Hickman...).
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Post by tolworthy on Feb 23, 2016 4:45:35 GMT -5
With Claremont though, I enjoyed his time on the book. I agree. Continuity matters to me. I consider everything after FF333 to be clones of the original team, but Claremont's run could be the sole exception. Also a shout out to Karl Kesel. If I had to be restricted to modern writers and artists, my dream team would be Kesel as writer and Steve Rude on art. It will never happen, but I can dream. Until then it's back to the reprints. |
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