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Post by Warmonger on Feb 25, 2016 17:17:30 GMT -5
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Post by dupersuper on Feb 25, 2016 20:52:54 GMT -5
The Knight of Flowers? Cool.
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Post by Mormel on Feb 26, 2016 8:35:43 GMT -5
This could work out all right. I wonder how he'll do with martial arts. It'll be neat to see him play the action hero; on GoT he hasn't had a decent sparring match since season 3.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Feb 26, 2016 9:23:49 GMT -5
This could work out all right. I wonder how he'll do with martial arts. It'll be neat to see him play the action hero; on GoT he hasn't had a decent sparring match since season 3. What are you talking about? He's seen plenty of action with an awesome sparring partner in Renly throughout last season  |
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Post by Batflunkie on Feb 26, 2016 13:02:34 GMT -5
A lot of people wanted an Asian actor to play Daniel, so don't be surprised if there's vocal minority rioting on the interwebs, tumblr especially *eyeroll*
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Feb 26, 2016 15:01:13 GMT -5
Good thing Iron Fist wears a mask; it'll be easy to use a few spectacular martial artists to handle the punching and kicking stuff. (I hope they'll use as much real choreography and wirework as possible and no CGI for the fight scenes).
The actor looks the part much more than Ray Parks did!
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Post by Batflunkie on Feb 27, 2016 18:39:11 GMT -5
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Post by Warmonger on Feb 27, 2016 20:12:45 GMT -5
Seems to be a double standard when it comes to these casting decisions. If they cast a black guy as Kingpin or Nick Fury, no one really bats an eye. If they casted a white guy as Luke Cage or the Falcon, eveyone would be up in arms. Hell, they're already up in arms over casting a white guy to portay a white character! |
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Post by Batflunkie on Feb 27, 2016 20:23:26 GMT -5
Seems to be a double standard when it comes to these casting decisions. If they cast a black guy as Kingpin or Nick Fury, no one really bats an eye. If they casted a white guy as Luke Cage or the Falcon, eveyone would be up in arms. Hell, they're already up in arms over casting a white guy to portay a white character! I recall hearing somewhere that people were upset that Ryan Reynolds was cast as Green Lantern, mostly because they were under the presumption that John Stewart was the only Green Lantern. It infuriates me to no end when people choose to ignore logic and be ignorant |
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Post by spoon on Feb 27, 2016 21:11:23 GMT -5
Seems to be a double standard when it comes to these casting decisions. If they cast a black guy as Kingpin or Nick Fury, no one really bats an eye. If they casted a white guy as Luke Cage or the Falcon, eveyone would be up in arms. Hell, they're already up in arms over casting a white guy to portay a white character! There's stuff there that I agree with, and other stuff that I don't I'd be more supportive of keeping the original race of characters that came from diverse source material. But many of the main comic book character that are adapted for TV and movies today are decades old. They come from eras when prejudice (whether conscious or not) limited the number of non-white characters. Why should we be tied to racial attitudes of the past? Also, for some non-white characters, race places a role in their backstory. Plus, Luke Cage and the Falcon were two of the pioneering black Marvel characters, so it would be symbolically really crappy to change their race. Also, Kingpin is a particularly tricky case. If you want to cast an actor who is anywhere near as physically imposing as the comic character, your choices are very limited. You'd be hard-pressed to find someone who combines the size and acting chops (Oscar nominee) of Michael Clarke Duncan to play Kingpin. For those, I think it's understandable to have this supposed double standard in changing race between black and white. Having said that, it annoys me that so much of this (like the #OscarsSoWhite thing) make this a black/white binary. Blacks actors are actually doing much better in casting nowadays compared to their Latino and Asian counterparts. No Asian has won an Oscar since the 1980s. There are more Latino/as in the U.S. than African-Americans, but you wouldn't know that from watching TV. Having said that, I'd be okay with either a white actor or an Asian one playing Iron Fist. Iron Fist is an outsider brought into K'un L'un, so his ethnicity doesn't matter. But regardless of the ethnicity, staying true to character would mean someone who is an American brought in from the outside. I find a lot of talk of cultural appropriation overdone. Part of the beauty of the human experience is precisely that you can learn things from another culture. White people can learn Asian martial arts. Non-white people can play the piano (an Italian invention). I also thought it was ironic to read in another article about the Iron Fist casting that Marvel has been unwilling to change the race of any of their heroes on screen. I believe the same article mentioned Daredevil, but failed to note that Elektra (a Greek) is being played by a half-Cambodian, half-French actress. Maybe she didn't count, because she's not the title character. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Feb 27, 2016 21:42:48 GMT -5
Seems to be a double standard when it comes to these casting decisions. If they cast a black guy as Kingpin or Nick Fury, no one really bats an eye. If they casted a white guy as Luke Cage or the Falcon, eveyone would be up in arms. Hell, they're already up in arms over casting a white guy to portay a white character! No one bats an eye because being white was not essential to the characters, they just happened to be white because their writers and artists happened to all be white and from a time when minorities were not represented in the media. On the other hand casting a white guy to play either Cage or the Falcon would be a poor decision because for one there are already so few leading roles for the talented African American actors in Hollywood and further because the color of the skin of these characters is integral to who they are and the stories and themes they explore by their design. As for Danny being white, as he is in the comic, I can see why many people would be upset, and no it's not because they were confused about Danny's racial identity in the comics but rather because it would have been a way for Marvel to be more inclusive by casting an Asian actor because you still achieve the same level of isolation Danny felt during his training if he were rich, American and Asian(or Latin, or Black) as they did with him being rich, American and white. His whiteness frankly isn't as important of a part of telling that outsider story as the blackness of a character like Luke Cage is to telling his story so why not change his race in order to paint a more diverse picture of the Marvel universe? |
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Post by Warmonger on Feb 27, 2016 21:53:26 GMT -5
Seems to be a double standard when it comes to these casting decisions. If they cast a black guy as Kingpin or Nick Fury, no one really bats an eye. If they casted a white guy as Luke Cage or the Falcon, eveyone would be up in arms. Hell, they're already up in arms over casting a white guy to portay a white character! No one bats an eye because being white was not essential to the characters, they just happened to be white because their writers and artists happened to all be white and from a time when minorities were not represented in the media. On the other hand casting a white guy to play either Cage or the Falcon would be a poor decision because for one there are already so few leading roles for the talented African American actors in Hollywood and further because the color of the skin of these characters is integral to who they are and the stories and themes they explore by their design. As for Danny being white, as he is in the comic, I can see why many people would be upset, and no it's not because they were confused about Danny's racial identity in the comics but rather because it would have been a way for Marvel to be more inclusive by casting an Asian actor because you still achieve the same level of isolation Danny felt during his training if he were rich, American and Asian(or Latin, or Black) as they did with him being rich, American and white. His whiteness frankly isn't as important of a part of telling that outsider story as the blackness of a character like Luke Cage is to telling his story so why not change his race in order to paint a more diverse picture of the Marvel universe? Because I don't believe in diversity simply for the sake of diversity. I mean, if you want to add an asian martial artist to the mix, why not bring in Shang Chi? Hell, I'd say he even fits better since there's no mystical background to my knowledge like there is with Iron Fist. That was supposedly what the holdup was with this thing all along, taking a mystical character and making it work within the limited budget of a Netflix series and not a major Hollywood movie. Same if you wanted to bring more black characters into these movie/TV adaptations. I'd personally love to see a Blade series on the Netflix format. Or if they would've brought in Misty Knight to eventually join the Defenders instead of a total unknown (at least to me) in Jessica Jones. I mean, you can't tell me that it made any sense to cast a black kid as Johnny Storm in the newest, crappiest Fantastic Four movie. That was pandering. Plain and simple. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Feb 27, 2016 22:09:08 GMT -5
No one bats an eye because being white was not essential to the characters, they just happened to be white because their writers and artists happened to all be white and from a time when minorities were not represented in the media. On the other hand casting a white guy to play either Cage or the Falcon would be a poor decision because for one there are already so few leading roles for the talented African American actors in Hollywood and further because the color of the skin of these characters is integral to who they are and the stories and themes they explore by their design. As for Danny being white, as he is in the comic, I can see why many people would be upset, and no it's not because they were confused about Danny's racial identity in the comics but rather because it would have been a way for Marvel to be more inclusive by casting an Asian actor because you still achieve the same level of isolation Danny felt during his training if he were rich, American and Asian(or Latin, or Black) as they did with him being rich, American and white. His whiteness frankly isn't as important of a part of telling that outsider story as the blackness of a character like Luke Cage is to telling his story so why not change his race in order to paint a more diverse picture of the Marvel universe? I mean, if you want to add an asian martial artist to the mix, why not bring in Shang Chi? Hell, I'd say he even fits better since there's no mystical background to my knowledge like there is with Iron Fist. That was supposedly what the holdup was with this thing all along, taking a mystical character and making it work within the limited budget of a Netflix series and not a major Hollywood movie. Same if you wanted to bring more black characters into these movie/TV adaptations. I'd personally love to see a Blade series on the Netflix format. Or if they would've brought in Misty Knight to eventually join the Defenders instead of a total unknown (at least to me) in Jessica Jones. I mean, you can't tell me that it made any sense to cast a black kid as Johnny Storm in the newest, crappiest Fantsastic Four movie. That was pandering. Plain and simple. I just don't understand that level of apathy. The world is a diverse place, and in this day and age diversity isn't as shunned in the media as it was in the past and yet comic book heroes don't represent that because they were created when that was not the case. And sure there's the argument that if you want more diversity than just create new characters or use character x instead, but those don't really fly because new characters seldom succeed in today's market and in the case of the "use character x instead" argument the answer is "Well sure, it would be cool if they did that too, as the more exposure the better, but they're only doing this particular character at the moment and whiteness isn't that important to this character so why stay true to that if you have to update so many other antiquated elements of the character in order to make him more palatable to a modern audience anyway?" As for the Fantastic Four and Johnny being Black I doubt that would still be a sticking point if the movie was actually good. I mean, there was all kinds of back lash again Sam Jackson and Idris Elba in their roles initially but those naysayers have all but vanished because the actors were good and the movies successful and I imagine the same with FF if it had been a hit. |
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