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Post by Batflunkie on Jan 12, 2016 7:56:18 GMT -5
Started reading post-zero hour Legion Of Super Heroes and Legionnaires last night. I've never read LOSH prior and I can say that all of it meshed well, especially the origin
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Post by dbutler69 on Jan 12, 2016 7:58:48 GMT -5
Well, Superman DID get knocked 'across the river'(Gotham City? Jersey City?) before he learned how to take a punch. Still, it's more plausible than "Batman knocks the wind out of the Hulk". And "Stupid Cape-Man!" is among Greenskin's better 'simplified' names for the 'super puny humans' who keep bothering him. I think my favorite one might be calling Man-Thin "carrot nose".
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Post by realjla on Jan 12, 2016 15:37:09 GMT -5
Mine is Marvel Team-up # 27, where the Chameleon(after his car collides with the Hulk, who spotted his white, featureless mask..."Hulk will SMASH No-Face!"...) dupes Greenskin by donning a mask of someone the Hulk would recognize: "Huh? No-Face HAS face? No-Face is...RICK!"
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 25, 2016 22:55:36 GMT -5
OK, so I've just about done with Super Villain Team Up (which neither features Supervillains, nor is a team up), and I need y'all to help me out a bit. First, some comments: - I think this would be some sort of event today... 9 issue mini kinda things with Avengers, FF, Champions, Iron Man, Cap, etc, tie-ins. It's pretty cool that's it's all a (mostly) consistent story through all those writers and editors. They sure can't do that today. - My question is, is that how it was meant? The last couple (which I haven't read yet) featuring the Red Skull not withstanding, the story has a pretty solid beginning, middle and end... it seems odd that it was meant to continue. - I'd never read the Shroud's Origin before... why did someone think taking Batman and making him blind would be a good idea? - I feel like if this book was 3 years earlier, it would have continued the numbering from the Namor series. - Namor really isn't a villain at any time during the series. Grumpy, yes, but he's really just trying to save Atlantis and defeat the bad guys. - Doom is actually far more heroic than he is any time this side of Hickman. Sure, he repeatedly betrays Namor, but he actually comes through when the chips are down several times. - While no villains team up for more than a few pages, we get lots of heroes teaming up with them, which is kinda ironic. It's not until the last Namor issue that Doom and Namor team up to save Atlantis from Krang.. and then they're both really the heroes. - The Avengers sure got made to look like chumps in their cross over...at least the art is pretty Continuity questions: - So Doom casually talks about having an android army... who rebel, then he has a robot army, who rebels... then, a couple issues later, he has an android army again. I assume the 2nd android army is a mistake. Why not Doombots? (They exist... people talk about them) - I don't quite get what happened with Namor. First, Doom was giving him something he need to have every 24 hours... then, while Doom is assumed dead, it's not mentioned at all.. until MUCH later (when they actually team up to fight Krang).. where they sorta just act as if Doom cured him for good. Is that supposed to have happened off panel? And why would Doom do that if he still had designs on Namor as an ally/slave/lackey? - It made me kinda mad that Namor didn't attack the Red Skull on sight... he fought Nazis for a long time. Never mind that he never really got any payback from Doom. (perhaps that happens later) - So Betty Dean became Betty Dean PRENTISS?? She's related to Namorita somehow? And was her 'Nita being Namor's sister, rather than cousin, a mistake, or a later retcon?
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Post by Hoosier X on Jan 25, 2016 23:23:09 GMT -5
Super-Villain Team-Up. Ah, that brings back memories. I started getting it with #3 or #4 and I don't think I ever missed an issue after that. I remember coming across the giant-size issues at a used-book store.
I never noticed how misleading the title was! You're absolutely right! (Except for Henry Kissinger; he counts as a super-villain, doesn't he?)
It's been a very long time since I read it so I can't really comment on your questions. In general, though, I have to say it just sounds like regular bonkers Bronze Age comics to me.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jan 25, 2016 23:47:07 GMT -5
So Betty Dean became Betty Dean PRENTISS?? She's related to Namorita somehow? And was her 'Nita being Namor's sister, rather than cousin, a mistake, or a later retcon? When Betty was reintroduced into Marvel continuity in Sub-Mariner #8, it was established that she was a widow with the married name Prentiss. Namorita took that as her last name after Betty was murdered by Dr. Dorcas as a tribute to her late guardian. And yes, calling Nita Subby's sister was a mistake. Cei-U! I summon the family ties!
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Post by Spike-X on Jan 26, 2016 1:40:14 GMT -5
Mister Miracle #13.
Kirby's really running out of steam by this point. Dull and uninspired the whole way through. I get the feeling the rest of the issues are going to be a chore to get thorugh.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 7:01:46 GMT -5
I started reading golden age Sub-Mariner in the Omnibus last night. It's great stuff.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 26, 2016 10:49:03 GMT -5
So Betty Dean became Betty Dean PRENTISS?? She's related to Namorita somehow? And was her 'Nita being Namor's sister, rather than cousin, a mistake, or a later retcon? When Betty was reintroduced into Marvel continuity in Sub-Mariner #8, it was established that she was a widow with the married name Prentiss. Namorita took that as her last name after Betty was murdered by Dr. Dorcas as a tribute to her late guardian. And yes, calling Nita Subby's sister was a mistake. Cei-U! I summon the family ties! Ahhhh... That must happen later then... because it's not mentioned here (and it would have been a good place, too!)..maybe in New Warriors? I don't think I knew who Betty Dean was last time I read those, so I probably just didn't note it. I can't imagine I would have missed it, since I like 'Nita alot!
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 26, 2016 10:50:01 GMT -5
Super-Villain Team-Up. Ah, that brings back memories. I started getting it with #3 or #4 and I don't think I ever missed an issue after that. I remember coming across the giant-size issues at a used-book store. I never noticed how misleading the title was! You're absolutely right! (Except for Henry Kissinger; he counts as a super-villain, doesn't he?) It's been a very long time since I read it so I can't really comment on your questions. In general, though, I have to say it just sounds like regular bonkers Bronze Age comics to me. Heh... well, you could certainly call him a villain (or perhaps just a dupe), but super? I don't think so.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jan 26, 2016 13:24:27 GMT -5
Mister Miracle #13. Kirby's really running out of steam by this point. Dull and uninspired the whole way through. I get the feeling the rest of the issues are going to be a chore to get thorugh. I liked the whole series but it's not as good for a little while there. But # 18 (the last issue) is a treat. It ties all the continuity together (sorta) and has the wedding of Mister Miracle and Big Barda.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jan 26, 2016 14:42:44 GMT -5
OK, so I've just about done with Super Villain Team Up (which neither features Supervillains, nor is a team up), and I need y'all to help me out a bit. First, some comments: - I think this would be some sort of event today... 9 issue mini kinda things with Avengers, FF, Champions, Iron Man, Cap, etc, tie-ins. It's pretty cool that's it's all a (mostly) consistent story through all those writers and editors. They sure can't do that today. - My question is, is that how it was meant? The last couple (which I haven't read yet) featuring the Red Skull not withstanding, the story has a pretty solid beginning, middle and end... it seems odd that it was meant to continue. - I'd never read the Shroud's Origin before... why did someone think taking Batman and making him blind would be a good idea? - I feel like if this book was 3 years earlier, it would have continued the numbering from the Namor series. - Namor really isn't a villain at any time during the series. Grumpy, yes, but he's really just trying to save Atlantis and defeat the bad guys. - Doom is actually far more heroic than he is any time this side of Hickman. Sure, he repeatedly betrays Namor, but he actually comes through when the chips are down several times. - While no villains team up for more than a few pages, we get lots of heroes teaming up with them, which is kinda ironic. It's not until the last Namor issue that Doom and Namor team up to save Atlantis from Krang.. and then they're both really the heroes. - The Avengers sure got made to look like chumps in their cross over...at least the art is pretty Continuity questions: - So Doom casually talks about having an android army... who rebel, then he has a robot army, who rebels... then, a couple issues later, he has an android army again. I assume the 2nd android army is a mistake. Why not Doombots? (They exist... people talk about them) - I don't quite get what happened with Namor. First, Doom was giving him something he need to have every 24 hours... then, while Doom is assumed dead, it's not mentioned at all.. until MUCH later (when they actually team up to fight Krang).. where they sorta just act as if Doom cured him for good. Is that supposed to have happened off panel? And why would Doom do that if he still had designs on Namor as an ally/slave/lackey? - It made me kinda mad that Namor didn't attack the Red Skull on sight... he fought Nazis for a long time. Never mind that he never really got any payback from Doom. (perhaps that happens later) - So Betty Dean became Betty Dean PRENTISS?? She's related to Namorita somehow? And was her 'Nita being Namor's sister, rather than cousin, a mistake, or a later retcon? I really like Super-Villain Team-Up. That is the origin of the "any book with team-up in the title is a team-up book, even if it generally features the same two characters." My theory is that the book wasn't designed as an ongoing serial, but that every writer just kind of ended on a cliffhanger and the next guy took it from there. The Magneto/Champions story at the end is separate, as well - It begins with Doom ruling the World. - No explanation. The heroic Doom carries over from his solo feature in Astonishing Feature. It was interesting how Marvel always made Doom the "hero" while the DC books (Joker - which is also basically a team-up book and therefore great - Secret Society of Super-Villains) made their bad guy protagonists..um.. .bad guys. The Shroud is great! Doom vs. Batman is always a cool idea! I'm definitely missing some continuity here, though - He started out with "obsessed with Doom" as his main character trait, and ends up in San Fran(?) running a gang in Marvel Team-Up/West Coast Avengers. I'm not completely sure that Namor and the Red Skull ever interacted. And, c'mon, all surface dwellers basically look alike, right? I assume the continuity notes had to do with the constantly changing writers and editors. Who can keep track of whether or not the main character of your book does or does not have a robot army. So difficult! It's been a little while since I read this, but I remember the events of the first couple issues being really intense for a Bronze Age Marvel book.. almost definitely influenced by the Death of Gwen Stacy. LOVE the Circus of Crime. They are my favorite non-Stegron Marvel villains. As of a few years ago, this series was the only time that Cap (solo) had significant interaction with Doctor Doom. You'd figure that would happen more. What format were you reading the book in? I have the original issues (Except, like, # 5 and 8 or something) and the Essential Volume. There were 17 issues of the original series, two Giant Size issues (one of which was mostly reprint) and a bunch of crossovers.
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Post by Rob Allen on Jan 26, 2016 15:29:53 GMT -5
Mister Miracle #13. Kirby's really running out of steam by this point. Dull and uninspired the whole way through. I get the feeling the rest of the issues are going to be a chore to get thorugh. Not running out of steam, it was that the other Fourth World books were all cancelled after issue #11, and Kirby was told to eliminate the whole Apokolips/Darkseid conflict from MM. So the book was a bit aimless for a while. Also - true or false: Giant-Size Super-Villain Team-Up is the only comic book title that includes three hyphens. I can't think of another.
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Post by Confessor on Jan 26, 2016 15:37:21 GMT -5
Also - true or false: Giant-Size Super-Villain Team-Up is the only comic book title that includes three hyphens. I can't think of another. What about Giant-Size Spider-Man and the Man-Thing? Yeah, I know it's just Giant-Size Spider-Man #5 really, but it was the best I could do.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jan 26, 2016 17:53:46 GMT -5
Please don't flash your Giant-Size Man-Thing in public.
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