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Post by Batflunkie on Jan 31, 2016 18:42:22 GMT -5
I'm a big fan of this costume. But I think it was changed because it didn't really make much sense for Captain Britain, given that the lion symbol here is the crest of England specifically and not Britain at large. "Britain" is a bit vague, as it could be referring to either the United Kingdom or Great Britain, but either way, it should also include both Scotland and Wales as well as England, and possibly Northern Ireland and the rest of the extended British Empire. The Union Jack costume isn't nearly as interesting in my opinion, but it makes more sense if the character is supposed to be Captain Britain and not Captain England. Point taken. I often frequent 4chan's comics and cartoons board and the same was brought up in relation to Captain America, mostly due to how he's never seen defending South America
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Post by Warmonger on Jan 31, 2016 18:57:24 GMT -5
I just bought issues 1-18 of Jack Kirby's Kamandi
Not sure how I missed out on this as a kid in the 70's.
I've only read the first 6 issues so far but I'm really digging it.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jan 31, 2016 20:38:43 GMT -5
I just bought issues 1-18 of Jack Kirby's Kamandi Not sure how I missed out on this as a kid in the 70's. I've only read the first 6 issues so far but I'm really digging it. I finished my Kamandi run last week when I got #15, #17, #18 and #21. I have every issue and I think the later issues, even after Kirby left, are almost as good as the early part of the run. Wait until you get to Kamandi #7! I love it! One of my favorite comics of all time. I'm thinking of doing a Kamandi review thread ... eventually ... since I now have every issue and I think it would be cool to start at the beginning and read every issue.
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Post by Warmonger on Jan 31, 2016 20:48:28 GMT -5
I just bought issues 1-18 of Jack Kirby's Kamandi Not sure how I missed out on this as a kid in the 70's. I've only read the first 6 issues so far but I'm really digging it. I finished my Kamandi run last week when I got #15, #17, #18 and #21. I have every issue and I think the later issues, even after Kirby left, are almost as good as the early part of the run. Wait until you get to Kamandi #7! I love it! One of my favorite comics of all time. I'm thinking of doing a Kamandi review thread ... eventually ... since I now have every issue and I think it would be cool to start at the beginning and read every issue. Definitely going to sit aside some time after work tomorrow to read #7
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Post by Spike-X on Feb 1, 2016 1:50:00 GMT -5
Kamandi's one I need to get onto, once I've finished the Fourth World gear.
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Post by Confessor on Feb 1, 2016 2:48:02 GMT -5
Also, getting back to Excalibur, I honestly can't understand why they changed Captain Britain's costume to just a full body Union Jack when the original was simple, yet eye-catching I'm a big fan of this costume. But I think it was changed because it didn't really make much sense for Captain Britain, given that the lion symbol here is the crest of England specifically and not Britain at large. "Britain" is a bit vague, as it could be referring to either the United Kingdom or Great Britain, but either way, it should also include both Scotland and Wales as well as England, and possibly Northern Ireland and the rest of the extended British Empire. The Union Jack costume isn't nearly as interesting in my opinion, but it makes more sense if the character is supposed to be Captain Britain and not Captain England. Firstly, let me just clarify that the term Britain is not "a bit vague" and shouldn't really be used to refer to England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, although I grant you that in general conversation, the terms "Great Britain" and "United Kingdom" are largely interchangeable. Britain is the island comprising England, Wales and Scotland and is part of the larger United Kingdom, which also includes Northern Ireland. British overseas territories and Crown dependencies, such as the Falkland Islands, Bermuda, Gibraltar, the Channel Islands etc, etc are not included as part of the United Kingdom and neither was the British Empire at its height. As for Captain Britain's original costume, I much prefer it to the second costume as well, but I'm not convinced by the argument that it didn't represent countries outside of England. For instance, the original costume does have the Union Jack on its wrists and the face mask, so that's pretty inclusive and certainly doesn't say "England only". Also, while the heraldic lion rampart on Cap's chest is closely associated with the Royal Arms of England, Scotland's crest also features a lion rampant, although it's usually a red one, rather than a gold one. So, I don't really see how the second costume is anymore representative than the original, and the original certainly looked cooler.
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Post by Batflunkie on Feb 6, 2016 23:33:30 GMT -5
Started reading the Deadman 80's SA reprint series on a whim, didn't really notice until how many curious similairities there were between it and Ghost Rider
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Post by Hoosier X on Feb 8, 2016 13:41:37 GMT -5
I finished my Kamandi run last week when I got #15, #17, #18 and #21. I have every issue and I think the later issues, even after Kirby left, are almost as good as the early part of the run. Wait until you get to Kamandi #7! I love it! One of my favorite comics of all time. I'm thinking of doing a Kamandi review thread ... eventually ... since I now have every issue and I think it would be cool to start at the beginning and read every issue. Definitely going to sit aside some time after work tomorrow to read #7 So what did you think of Kamandi #7? It was about the third or fourth issue of Kamandi I bought (about 2012) and it's the one that made me decide I wanted the whole run.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Feb 8, 2016 15:13:40 GMT -5
I totally agree that the original Captain Britain costume was far superior to the full body flag version.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Feb 11, 2016 21:51:08 GMT -5
I got to Astonishing Tales 1-5... very good stuff. I had no idea Kazar was practically a Conan tryout! Barry (No Windsor yet) Smith on art, and pure Jungle-themes sword and sorcery after the 2 part Kraven story.
The Doom stuff wasn't as good as Super-Villain Team up.. except issue 4. Doom 'vacationing' in the Riviera was absolutely priceless!
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Post by Warmonger on Feb 12, 2016 14:37:42 GMT -5
Definitely going to sit aside some time after work tomorrow to read #7 So what did you think of Kamandi #7? It was about the third or fourth issue of Kamandi I bought (about 2012) and it's the one that made me decide I wanted the whole run. Really liked it Loved the King Kong vibe. So far I'm 12 issues in and it's hard to pick a favorite so far, but #7 would definitely be up there.
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Post by chaykinstevens on Feb 13, 2016 9:37:17 GMT -5
I got to Astonishing Tales 1-5... very good stuff. I had no idea Kazar was practically a Conan tryout! Barry (No Windsor yet) Smith on art, and pure Jungle-themes sword and sorcery after the 2 part Kraven story. The Doom stuff wasn't as good as Super-Villain Team up.. except issue 4. Doom 'vacationing' in the Riviera was absolutely priceless! I think Conan the Barbarian #1 was published in the same month as Astonishing Tales #2. I prefer Wally Wood's art on Doom in AT #1-4 to any that was served up in SVTU.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Feb 13, 2016 13:59:50 GMT -5
Yeah, the art is definitely better.. not as good a story though.
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Post by spoon on Feb 13, 2016 22:04:45 GMT -5
I'm reading Essential Web of Spider-Man vol. 2 (reprinting Web #19-32 + Ann. 3, Amazing #293-294, Spectacular #131-132). The previous Essential TPB I read was Spectacular vol. 5, and there's some overlap in time period between the latter part of that book and the beginning of this one. The early issues have multi-part storylines and continuing subplots. One of them is a investigative journalism trip that Peter Parker takes to Northern Ireland with Daily Bugle reporter Joy Mercado. Joy Mercado is a character that I'm not sure I've read much of (perhaps an issue or two) before reading these two Essential volumes. I guess she was only around for a couple years. It's a shame, because she's an interesting character. It seems like she was a potential love interest for Peter, but nothing really comes of it. The Northern Ireland starts out somewhat political. There may have been some editorial intervention, because the real-life political aspects are replaced by some made-up group. Also, the writing team changes (with Shooter plotting the second part). Marc Silvestri pencils some of the early. I know some posters dislike his work, but I like Silvestri's art from that era.
Web of Spider-Man was the redheaded step-child of the Spider-Man books, and the middle portion of this TPB reflects that. A lot of the stories may be inventory/fill-in stories. They don't have continuing plotlines. The creative teams constantly change, although Vince Colletta inks several issues. Things like framing sequences or captions suggests some of the stories take place in the past. These are weak issues.
After that stint, Jim Owsley and Steve Geiger take over as the creative team for a couple issues. There's a return to a continuing plot within the series, and it's now tied into the other Spider titles as a continuing plot. This is one time that my Essential binge-reading habit backfires. I've read very little of the Amazing Spider-Man from the 270s up to Kraven's Last Hunt. One issue is re-telling of the developments with the Gang War storyline, the Rose, and the Hobgoblin. I already knew how the Hobgoblin storyline turned out by reading about it, but I've never read the actual stories toward the end of the first Hobgoblin's career. The issues from those other titles aren't included. It's emblematic of the prior separation of the Spider titles that the Rose's story reaches a climax, even though I don't think he showed up in Web, prior to this point. I knew the Spider-Man vs. Wolverine one-shot fit in here, so I read that where it slots in. In a strange way, it undercuts the Hobgoblin story, but I don't want to spoil that. It features the perfect know-it-all version of Wolverine. I'm not a fan of that.
The TPB ends with Kraven's Last Hunt story, reprinting all 6 parts across the 3 titles. Then, there's an annual that's just pin-ups and info pages. I'm only one issue into the Kraven story, but I've already read the story several times.
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Post by spoon on Feb 14, 2016 13:04:39 GMT -5
I'm reading Essential Web of Spider-Man vol. 2 (reprinting Web #19-32 + Ann. 3, Amazing #293-294, Spectacular #131-132). The previous Essential TPB I read was Spectacular vol. 5, and there's some overlap in time period between the latter part of that book and the beginning of this one. The early issues have multi-part storylines and continuing subplots. One of them is a investigative journalism trip that Peter Parker takes to Northern Ireland with Daily Bugle reporter Joy Mercado. Joy Mercado is a character that I'm not sure I've read much of (perhaps an issue or two) before reading these two Essential volumes. I guess she was only around for a couple years. It's a shame, because she's an interesting character. It seems like she was a potential love interest for Peter, but nothing really comes of it. The Northern Ireland starts out somewhat political. There may have been some editorial intervention, because the real-life political aspects are replaced by some made-up group. Also, the writing team changes (with Shooter plotting the second part). Marc Silvestri pencils some of the early. I know some posters dislike his work, but I like Silvestri's art from that era. Web of Spider-Man was the redheaded step-child of the Spider-Man books, and the middle portion of this TPB reflects that. A lot of the stories may be inventory/fill-in stories. They don't have continuing plotlines. The creative teams constantly change, although Vince Colletta inks several issues. Things like framing sequences or captions suggests some of the stories take place in the past. These are weak issues. After that stint, Jim Owsley and Steve Geiger take over as the creative team for a couple issues. There's a return to a continuing plot within the series, and it's now tied into the other Spider titles as a continuing plot. This is one time that my Essential binge-reading habit backfires. I've read very little of the Amazing Spider-Man from the 270s up to Kraven's Last Hunt. One issue is re-telling of the developments with the Gang War storyline, the Rose, and the Hobgoblin. I already knew how the Hobgoblin storyline turned out by reading about it, but I've never read the actual stories toward the end of the first Hobgoblin's career. The issues from those other titles aren't included. It's emblematic of the prior separation of the Spider titles that the Rose's story reaches a climax, even though I don't think he showed up in Web, prior to this point. I knew the Spider-Man vs. Wolverine one-shot fit in here, so I read that where it slots in. In a strange way, it undercuts the Hobgoblin story, but I don't want to spoil that. It features the perfect know-it-all version of Wolverine. I'm not a fan of that. The TPB ends with Kraven's Last Hunt story, reprinting all 6 parts across the 3 titles. Then, there's an annual that's just pin-ups and info pages. I'm only one issue into the Kraven story, but I've already read the story several times. On the issues of Web of Spiderman dealing with the acts of terrorism: Supposedly when those Michelinie WEB issues were released that dealt with the IRA and the politics of Ireland it got Marvel both national attention and a bomb threat. One day when he returned from lunch everyone in the Marvel building were standing on the street while the bomb squad combed the building for explosives (there were none, it was a hoax). But it provided the ammunition for a move to get Michelinie out of Marvel. I wonder how David Michelinie's original story would have played out. It appears from Web #20 that one way or another Roxxon would have had some sort of role in it, which seems odd for a story that is supposed to be about a real-world political conflict. And if #22 was actually plotted by Michelinie and then re-scripted at the last minute by Len Kaminski then, yes, Roxxon would have been featured rather prominently. Maybe in the original story they were just taking advantage of the conflict in Northern Ireland to peddle their weaponry, as opposed to flat-out faking terrorist attacks to drum up business? In addition to the sudden shift in direction and resulting plot holes, the book is just a hot mess from a basic editing perspective. There are points in the script that just have total non-sequiturs, presumably from Kaminski either leaving in or taking out word balloons put in by Michelinie. In any case, yes, the Northern Ireland conflict is an EXTREMELY complicated topic, with plenty of blame to go around. In the end no one really comes up smelling like roses. So it's strange that Michelinie offers up such a bizarre attempt to summarize the origins of the sectarian violence. I agree that the early issues of Web of Spiderman were VERY inconsistant. I did greatly enjoy the Michelinie written issues though, the issues with the Hobgoblin, the issue with the backstory on the Rose and the Kraven's Last Hunt tie-ins. I know it appeared earlier in the run but Web #10 is a great written tale written by PAD about the relationship between J.J.J. and Spider-man. Other than these few issues I don't think it gets really good until Gerry Conway's run that begins with issue #50. It runs mostly consecutively with Conway's run on Spectacular Spiderman. Great books that I reread every couple of years. Also if you didn't know there are 2 early Venom appearances. In Web #18 the man who pushes Peter in front of the train and in Web #24 the hand that grabs Peter when he is climbing the outside of the building were meant to be Eddie Brock. In both instances his spider-sense did not go off. Unfortunatley because he was let go from Web of Spider-Man Michelinie would not be able to follow up on Venom until his Amazing Spidey run later on. Thanks for all the background. The more political first part of the Northern Ireland has little bits on both sides of the dispute, but I think it tilts more pro-Loyalist/pro-British. For instance, an IRA attack on American civilians is reminiscent of a "Walker, Texas Ranger" episode that had the IRA in the U.S. attacking a school bus of American children. I just finished re-reading the Kraven's Last Hunt issues again. It's a pretty big departure. It's fascinating how rushed the marriage of Peter and MJ is when your just reading Web. Suddenly in Kraven's Last Hunt, they're married. In the prior issue of Web, there are moments suggesting they are getting closer again, but they're not even dating, let alone engaged. I've heard supposedly the marriage was rushed to coincide with the comic strip, so maybe the creative teams didn't anticipate it until shortly beforehand. It's been a while since I read Essential Web vol. 1, so I don't remember the stuff in #10 or #18. I see the hand in #24. I didn't realize it was Eddie Brock. One on-and-off plot point in some of these issues that Peter's spider-sense is acting unreliably. I didn't realize that this was (at least in part) Venom-related. I think I may go a few years back next to read Essential Amazing Spider-Man vol. #11 (#231-248, Ann. #16-17).
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