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Post by Batflunkie on May 19, 2016 12:48:32 GMT -5
Somebody actually told me with a straight face the other day that "a vote for a third party candidate was just as bad as voting for Trump". If anything, i'd like to hope that this presidential campaign has woken people up to the idea of how, in the end, their opinion matters very little and the media will more than happily spoonfeed you who they "think" you should vote for
Kind of makes me wish that Al Jazera America didn't go under in April
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on May 19, 2016 12:51:23 GMT -5
No need to apologize at all Hoosier. If anything I wasn't clear that my conclusions about politics are based on in depth analyzing of both parties and their members. Books, I don't mind, and have several (though Norman Mailer only seems to come to mind though he was an activist not a politician) books by politicians that I have read, when the subject they are writing about is interesting to me. (I will check when I get home, because I now more mad at my memory that necessarily trying to prove a point to you. I enjoy it from an academic or historical angle than actually being involved in the political scene. Which is why I may not chime in on political discussions here often, but I am always reading what people share. I just don't feel particularly invested in participating. I guess that's just apathy though. And no worries about offending me.
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Post by Hoosier X on May 19, 2016 14:19:14 GMT -5
Thanks for letting me have my say. We're way off topic. Perhaps it's time to get back on topic (at least momentarily). I just read this digitally from Comixology: Wow! What great art by Perez and Tanghal! I usually say my favorite JLA/JSA team-up is the one with the Seven Soldiers of Victory. But I got JLA #195 to #197 digitally last year and I'm rather inclined to re-think my choice. (I also like the one with the All-Star Squadron a lot!) I just read the fight between Johnny Thunder and Brain Wave. Including Johnny Thunder for the JSA always gets you extra points in my book!
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Post by Hoosier X on May 19, 2016 14:23:44 GMT -5
No need to apologize at all Hoosier. If anything I wasn't clear that my conclusions about politics are based on in depth analyzing of both parties and their members. Books, I don't mind, and have several (though Norman Mailer only seems to come to mind though he was an activist not a politician) books by politicians that I have read, when the subject they are writing about is interesting to me. (I will check when I get home, because I now more mad at my memory that necessarily trying to prove a point to you. I enjoy it from an academic or historical angle than actually being involved in the political scene. Which is why I may not chime in on political discussions here often, but I am always reading what people share. I just don't feel particularly invested in participating. I guess that's just apathy though. And no worries about offending me. Thanks for the comforting words! Some people take these things very personally. Still, I'm very curious about how you feel about social issues. Do you think that same-sex marriage and the treatment of transgender people as human beings aren't important enough to make anybody change their minds about the two main parties? Or do you think that party affiliation doesn't have much effect on how social issues play out in the long run?
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Post by Batflunkie on May 19, 2016 14:44:40 GMT -5
Well there's always my thread, "Four-Color Freeform", for more intimate discussions relating to comics and real-world situations.....
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on May 19, 2016 15:35:34 GMT -5
Well there's always my thread, "Four-Color Freeform", for more intimate discussions relating to comics and real-world situations..... Good point. I will continue the discussion there.
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Post by spoon on May 19, 2016 19:22:17 GMT -5
Racism is only really seen as Taboo in North America, in other places it's sort of an accepted norm with some backlash creeping in as the world slowly moves towards a universal P.C. culture (look up the dutch tradition of "Black Pete" sometime). Yes, racism is wrong, that's a given. But outright removing it, like in the Noddy stories, is just as bad as saying that it never existed in the first place. People have always grown stronger through their own personal hurdles and adversities. I'm not saying that it should celebrated in any context, but it still kind of deserves to stick around as a provocative work that challenges people's preconceptions The idea that racism is only taboo in North America is just not accurate. In every place, there different strains of racism, different rationalizations, and opposition to racism. With respect to racism in a historical context (old works of fiction/art, names of buildings, etc.), there are at least two different levels to things. Generally, works of fiction from the past shouldn't be bowdlerize to remove the racism. They have a historical value. If you remove the racism, you give people an inaccurate view of the past. Removing bigotry from past works may indefinitely hinder the fight against bigotry. Part of reason some people pine for the good old days is that they don't realize how bigoted many people in the past were and how stupid their arguments in defense of bigotry were. But bigotry shouldn't be left in places of honor. Removing a symbol of bigotry from a place of honor to a place of historical context isn't destroying history, it's understanding history. Moral people who their history don't put Confederate flags on capital domes. They put the flags in museum with explanation about how they stood for racism and hypocrisy. It's telling that some people defend history by insisting on maintaining the most bigoted era, rather than the earliest. Chief Wahoo came into existence about 40 years after Cleveland's MLB franchise. Yet none of this supposed history buffs advocate for removing Chief Wahoo in favor of older logos and symbols. I'm not sure what you mean by racism deserving to stick around. If you mean in historical works, then I go back to my argument above. But if you're arguing that new racist works should protecting because they "challenge people preconceptions", then I couldn't disagree more. That's like "teaching the controversy" in science classes to inject religious doctrine with no scientific basis. Progress involves building upon past knowledge. Discredited past beliefs should be dispatched with but cutting to the chase on why they are discredited. It's a waste of time to make kids debate for centuries whether the Earth is flat. Explain concisely the definitive proof that a flat Earth is BS. Pretending that an evidence-based position and an ignorance-based one are equally valid isn't a boon to critical thinking.
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Post by wildfire2099 on May 19, 2016 21:11:49 GMT -5
So I got the trade for Ed Brubaker's Batman run.... I think it's from the early 2000s...Lex is President. the trade skips about 5 issues that I think are emmashed in the 'Our World at War' crossover (Though the crossover does bleed in)
While the comics were decent, they didn't feel like Batman to me. Most of the story revolved around a mobster who new Bruce's parents, and who's daughter played with him when they were little kids, that he had apparently 'blocked out' of his memory, until faced with it.
There's also a bad guys named Zeiss that has googles that help him see in slow motion and remember stuff or something. Bruce has a female bodyguard that seemed to be standing in for Alfred and knows his secret id, which was weird, and there's no Jim Gordon (did he die for a while after No Man's Land?)
Also, with Scott McDaniel on art, the 'look' made me think of Nightwing.
On the up side, the Penguin bits were really cool..especially the issue where Penguin dreams about successful defeating and killing Batman.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2016 19:12:55 GMT -5
To celebrate World Dracula Day, I picked up and read Tomb of Dracula #1 for my Ipad.
I liked it a lot. I've always wanted to read the whole series and now I probably will end up doing so.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on May 27, 2016 6:12:18 GMT -5
I just finished Tezuka's Appolo's Song, originaly published in 1970 but here in its 2012 french translation. Here's a wiki sum upAppolo's song has the unusual premise of a teenager unable to fathom the concept of love between a female and a male to the extant that he will attempt to harm and attack any ovious sign of affection between the two. This is explained by his family situation, his mother being a prostitute, but after a new offense that lands him in a psychiatric ward, he gets cursed by a spiritual entity to forever fall in love and loose this love at its climax before being reincarnated till the end of time in a similar situation. Very different and surprising scenarios follows in linear and non-linear fashions, ones I won't spoil to you, but let's say you will think of Murneau, Fritz Lang, Kurosawa, Zemeckis, Arthur Penn, and it's all wonderfull, it's a story told by an optimist fighting his pragmatic cynicism. This was a very profound read to me. I knew fairly early on that it tackled the topic of sexual education in a most original way, but I wasn't prepared for this early environementalist charge on the man managed world. Through 550 pages, almost everything is tackled : liberty, love, human nature, greed, our relation towards other species, war, feminism, madness, violence, rebellion, existentialism, perversity, ecology, arts, order, grief, parents. The artwork was somewhat less cartoonishly polished as some of his pulpier work, it still served the purpose extremely effectivly and had avery modern and innovative opening sequence of pages, very poetic. This just reinforces my belief that I should just grab any Tezuka book I stumble upon, he never disappoints and more than often even surprises.
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on May 27, 2016 17:16:54 GMT -5
Re-read my copy of PPTSS #64 recently. I always liked Cloak and Dagger. I have the 4 issue original mini that came out. Nothing spectacular but I always felt it was a well written story. I just noticed their first app is hitting $40-50!?!?! Very happy I snagged it years ago...any reason for the jump?
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Post by Crimebuster on May 27, 2016 17:37:33 GMT -5
Re-read my copy of PPTSS #64 recently. I always liked Cloak and Dagger. I have the 4 issue original mini that came out. Nothing spectacular but I always felt it was a well written story. I just noticed their first app is hitting $40-50!?!?! Very happy I snagged it years ago...any reason for the jump? TV rumors.
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Post by earl on May 27, 2016 18:01:11 GMT -5
"There's also a bad guys named Zeiss that has googles that help him see in slow motion and remember stuff or something. Bruce has a female bodyguard that seemed to be standing in for Alfred and knows his secret id, which was weird, and there's no Jim Gordon (did he die for a while after No Man's Land?)"
Jim Gordon got shot in a Greg Rucka story line in Detective from the same time called "Officer Down", he was out of action for a bit. This trade picks up right after that story line. Sasha Bordeaux also comes from Greg Rucka's run on Detective. This run of Batman both the main title and Detective along with Gotham Central were fairly integrated and the stories in one did cross to the other.
Rucka and Brubaker's Batman is pretty good although the later Bruce Wayne Murder story line to me was not a favorite.
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Post by spoon on May 27, 2016 18:13:47 GMT -5
Re-read my copy of PPTSS #64 recently. I always liked Cloak and Dagger. I have the 4 issue original mini that came out. Nothing spectacular but I always felt it was a well written story. I just noticed their first app is hitting $40-50!?!?! Very happy I snagged it years ago...any reason for the jump? TV rumors. It more than just rumors. Freeform (the network formerly known as ABC Family) has officially placed an order for the series, skipping over the pilot phase.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on May 27, 2016 18:26:48 GMT -5
Rucka and Brubaker's Batman is pretty good although the later Bruce Wayne Murder story line to me was not a favorite. Ha, I was following both those runs back then, but I made a councious effort to skip that event since it involved titles written by unappealing to me authors. But I'v since always wondered if I missed something of value...
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