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Post by Hoosier X on Aug 23, 2016 11:58:32 GMT -5
In 2011, I picked up a few back issues when I hadn't been reading any comics for a while. So I didn't know Dick Grayson was Batman. And you know comics today, they don't explain things in big captions or expository thought balloons anymore.
So there was a sequence where Batman was talking to Oracle. And she kept saying things like: "I HAVE GATHERED THE REQUESTED INFORMATION, DICK."
and
"THEY HAVE PRETTY TOUGH SECURITY, BUT I MANAGED TO CRACK IT, DICK."
And because it's comics, it's all-caps, so you can't tell that "Dick" is a proper noun.
So I thought Oracle was calling Batman a "dick."
And because of how often Batman has been portrayed as being really irritable and condescending and paranoid over the last thirty years, it seemed like a valid response on Oracle's part. It didn't even occur to me that Dick Grayson might be Batman until I'd read a few more back issues where it was a little more clear.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Aug 23, 2016 12:00:56 GMT -5
Just yesterday I read some of the Warlord comics I got recently.
Warlord #42, 44, 46, 47, 56, 63, 67
They are fairly easy to read out of order, or just as single issues. The time frame of the characters in relation to each other can be confusing, if you don't read them sequentially. Or like me, found the first 20 or so issues I did, post #100, and am now finding earlier issues. BUt the adventures in each issue are still great and what is contained in them is entertaining. Everything from Russian werewolves, to dinosaur attacks, to a female Azrael: Angel of Death to laser guns. And that enchanted sword that between that in the length of the series, Warlord has sometimes and then doesn't have. Another con about reading them out of order.
The later issues; 63 & 67 had some nice Dan Jurgens art, though I don't remember who was inking it. I also like the obligatory splash page that comes with the title of each issue. Mike Grell's art really shines on a lot of those. Not that he isn't good sequentially, but I'd certainly rather have a pinup or two page splash of original art over a sequential page.
Hopefully I can continue to cherry pick more issue of the series. I am quite enjoying it.
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Post by tingramretro on Aug 23, 2016 12:41:34 GMT -5
I've read Marvel Two-in-One #1-7 so far. I love team-up books, especially this one. I don't know if it's a guilty pleasure or not, but it's certainly a pleasure, anyway. I've read precious little Marvel Two-in-One, being much more of a Marvel Team-Up kind of guy. But MTIO #90 (featuring The Thing and Spider-Man) was a big favourite of mine as a kid. I read and re-read that issue a LOT. Issue #86, in which The Thing and Sandman share some beers together at a Yancy Street bar is also a cracking issue, but one that I only discovered recently, it having passed me by at the time. MTIO was always a favourite of mine, slightly more so than MTU (though I liked that, too). To my mind, the MTIO run that starts with #53 (the beginning of The Pegasus Project) and runs through to about #67, including the three parter concerning the search for Adam Warlock and then The Serpent Crown Affair, is one of the most enjoyable comics runs of its time, some lovely work by Mark Gruenwald, John Byrne, George Perez...
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Post by dbutler69 on Aug 23, 2016 16:49:05 GMT -5
I've read precious little Marvel Two-in-One, being much more of a Marvel Team-Up kind of guy. But MTIO #90 (featuring The Thing and Spider-Man) was a big favourite of mine as a kid. I read and re-read that issue a LOT. Issue #86, in which The Thing and Sandman share some beers together at a Yancy Street bar is also a cracking issue, but one that I only discovered recently, it having passed me by at the time. MTIO was always a favourite of mine, slightly more so than MTU (though I liked that, too). To my mind, the MTIO run that starts with #53 (the beginning of The Pegasus Project) and runs through to about #67, including the three parter concerning the search for Adam Warlock and then The Serpent Crown Affair, is one of the most enjoyable comics runs of its time, some lovely work by Mark Gruenwald, John Byrne, George Perez... Yes, that was a truly great little run.
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Post by hondobrode on Aug 23, 2016 19:54:08 GMT -5
A friend of mine had a subscription at that time and we did some trading, so I got all those. Good stuff ! BTW, adamwarlock2099 , those Warlords are pretty cheap to pick up, though not easy to find in a run. You'll also want to check out Warlord's first appearance At one time in the late 70's, Warlord was DC's # 1 title. I'd like for DC to incorporate him in somehow tying the inner world to Aquaman, Atlantis, and Cave Carson.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 23, 2016 20:29:11 GMT -5
A friend of mine had a subscription at that time and we did some trading, so I got all those. Good stuff ! BTW, adamwarlock2099 , those Warlords are pretty cheap to pick up, though not easy to find in a run. You'll also want to check out Warlord's first appearance At one time in the late 70's, Warlord was DC's # 1 title. I'd like for DC to incorporate him in somehow tying the inner world to Aquaman, Atlantis, and Cave Carson. First Issue Special #8 was reprinted in Warlord #11.
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Post by hondobrode on Aug 23, 2016 20:34:11 GMT -5
Awww heck
I didn't know that
Good reading
Amazed DC has done practically nothing with the character or collected some issues, even the early ones
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 23, 2016 21:17:50 GMT -5
Awww heck I didn't know that Good reading Amazed DC has done practically nothing with the character or collected some issues, even the early ones Grell wrote an on-going that ran for 16 issues in 2009-10. I could spoil the ending, but won't. I've honestly never thought anyone but Grell (and his wife) was worth a damn on the title and I'd rather see it in limbo than not done well. And it really isn't the type of thing that seems generates enough interest to sell well enough to be published by DC.
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Post by hondobrode on Aug 23, 2016 22:11:09 GMT -5
I remember the series but gave up on it before it ended.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Aug 24, 2016 8:23:31 GMT -5
I've almost completed the first 30 issues of the New Teen Titans, and while overall I find it engaging and entertaining, there is something in regards to the relationships between the Teen Titans that is starting to get hard to tolerate within the narrative. It's the way that certain characters, Wally West in particular, define being in love with one another when it really comes off as more of an infatuation to me. The book though seems to play it straight as if this really is Wally West claiming he's genuinely in love with Raven, and Raven responding in kind as to why she can't share those similar feelings. Nevermind the fact that up to this point they have not spent any time together other than fighting bad guys, usually with their teammates. We don't see or hear of them trying to build a type of relationship. So how could Wally say to himself, his parents, and to Raven straight that he loves her? This is an example of what I'm talking about here below towards the bottom of the page: There is some of this with Dick and Starfire too, but I can forgive Starfire's characterization as love since pretty early one it's established that her viewpoint on what love is or is not is very different from what is usually recognized on Earth. Dick on the other hand acts at Wally once or twice in a conversation with Starfire although I can't remember what issue specifically. This is before they start dating exclusively and try to define what their relationship is. Pretty sure it was before the events of her sister kidnapping her. At that point Dick still throws around the "love" card out of nowhere. I'd tried to justify it at times to myself thinking that these are just teens and maybe they don't know what they're talking about. Wally was under Raven's influence for the first few issues, but even after that was over he just continued to be "in love" with Raven for no legitimate reason at all. Perhaps this is all over my head. Let me know what Wolfman is trying to communicate here. Unless Wolfman may not be that good at depicting this type of melodrama. I'm not sure since this is my first big dose of Wolfman. Midway reading issue 29 though I thought I had to post and try to get help understanding this dynamic because it was just starting to become a chore to get through. Thanks.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Aug 24, 2016 8:34:05 GMT -5
A friend of mine had a subscription at that time and we did some trading, so I got all those. Good stuff ! BTW, adamwarlock2099 , those Warlords are pretty cheap to pick up, though not easy to find in a run. You'll also want to check out Warlord's first appearance At one time in the late 70's, Warlord was DC's # 1 title. I'd like for DC to incorporate him in somehow tying the inner world to Aquaman, Atlantis, and Cave Carson. I'm getting on the bandwagon, so to speak, late I guess. I remember seeing Warlord issues a lot in the 3 pack polybagged comics that were still selling in the drug stores in the early 90's when I started in on comics, and I avoided them because swords & sorcery were never my thing, so I wrote them off. Now that I decided to start buying them a few months ago, digging through various Vintage Stock locations' $1 bins, I am enjoying them. Hopefully I'll get up to the Midwest City store for their Memorial day sale (buy one get one free back issues) since they have like 20+ long boxes of $1 issues. I was up there in July getting a Pokemon game for my son's birthday and looked through a couple of boxes but didn't have the time for all of them. I like that it is a sword & sorcery setting, but not exclusively that.
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Post by dbutler69 on Aug 24, 2016 8:37:09 GMT -5
I am still going through Marvel Two-in-One and finished #10 with the Black Widow. This was much better than I expected it to be. It had a nice feel of the Avengers (the John Steed/Emma Peel ones, that is) and they made a nice use of the Widow's powers, which isn't easy since there's such a great disparity in the power set of these two.
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Post by dbutler69 on Aug 24, 2016 8:48:55 GMT -5
I've almost completed the first 30 issues of the New Teen Titans, and while overall I find it engaging and entertaining, there is something in regards to the relationships between the Teen Titans that is starting to get hard to tolerate within the narrative. It's the way that certain characters, Wally West in particular, define being in love with one another when it really comes off as more of an infatuation to me. The book though seems to play it straight as if this really is Wally West claiming he's genuinely in love with Raven, and Raven responding in kind as to why she can't share those similar feelings. Nevermind the fact that up to this point they have not spent any time together other than fighting bad guys, usually with their teammates. We don't see or hear of them trying to build a type of relationship. So how could Wally say to himself, his parents, and to Raven straight that he loves her? This is an example of what I'm talking about here below towards the bottom of the page: There is some of this with Dick and Starfire too, but I can forgive Starfire's characterization as love since pretty early one it's established that her viewpoint on what love is or is not is very different from what is usually recognized on Earth. Dick on the other hand acts at Wally once or twice in a conversation with Starfire although I can't remember what issue specifically. This is before they start dating exclusively and try to define what their relationship is. Pretty sure it was before the events of her sister kidnapping her. At that point Dick still throws around the "love" card out of nowhere. I'd tried to justify it at times to myself thinking that these are just teens and maybe they don't know what they're talking about. Wally was under Raven's influence for the first few issues, but even after that was over he just continued to be "in love" with Raven for no legitimate reason at all. Perhaps this is all over my head. Let me know what Wolfman is trying to communicate here. Unless Wolfman may not be that good at depicting this type of melodrama. I'm not sure since this is my first big dose of Wolfman. Midway reading issue 29 though I thought I had to post and try to get help understanding this dynamic because it was just starting to become a chore to get through. Thanks. You're right that there seems to be more smoke than fire in these relationships. With Wally, I'd just figured that it was because Raven was influencing him, but I guess I forgot that he found out after only a few issues. I do recall thinking that there would be more to the Robin-Starfire relationship when I re-read these a few years ago. It reminds me of when I re-read all of my X-Men comics (between back issues and reprints, I've got the first 300 issues) also a few years ago, and when I was reading the Silver Age issues, I thought that there would be more to the Scott-Jean relationship. It seems like they spend most of their time pining away for each other, afraid to tell each other how they feel, then by the time hey finally start dating, the team breaks up...then bets back together, then gets changed to an all-reprint title.
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Post by Hoosier X on Aug 24, 2016 8:58:13 GMT -5
I am still going through Marvel Two-in-One and finished #10 with the Black Widow. This was much better than I expected it to be. It had a nice feel of the Avengers (the John Steed/Emma Peel ones, that is) and they made a nice use of the Widow's powers, which isn't easy since there's such a great disparity in the power set of these two. My first issue of MTIO was #13 (probably the first comic I read with Luke Cage) and I loved it! I bought MTIO religiously for quite a while, at least to the end of the Pegasus Project storyline. And I had most of the earlier issues from used-book stores (priced two for a quarter). I specifically remember #10 as being one of my favorite issues from the very early days. MTIO was one of the delights of the Bronze Age.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Aug 24, 2016 9:45:28 GMT -5
You're right that there seems to be more smoke than fire in these relationships. With Wally, I'd just figured that it was because Raven was influencing him, but I guess I forgot that he found out after only a few issues. I do recall thinking that there would be more to the Robin-Starfire relationship when I re-read these a few years ago. It reminds me of when I re-read all of my X-Men comics (between back issues and reprints, I've got the first 300 issues) also a few years ago, and when I was reading the Silver Age issues, I thought that there would be more to the Scott-Jean relationship. It seems like they spend most of their time pining away for each other, afraid to tell each other how they feel, then by the time hey finally start dating, the team breaks up...then bets back together, then gets changed to an all-reprint title. I'm reading through X-Men from the jump right now. Nearly 20 issues in. I am anxious to see how the Jean/Scott thing develops, but from what you've just said I guess I'm in for a long ride of never going to distance between those two. I'm also anxious to see if it's true that Wolverine actually had a legitimate thing for Jean, or if that was just some small anecdote that was pushed overboard by the 90's cartoon show.
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