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Post by dbutler69 on Aug 24, 2016 10:04:20 GMT -5
I am still going through Marvel Two-in-One and finished #10 with the Black Widow. This was much better than I expected it to be. It had a nice feel of the Avengers (the John Steed/Emma Peel ones, that is) and they made a nice use of the Widow's powers, which isn't easy since there's such a great disparity in the power set of these two. My first issue of MTIO was #13 (probably the first comic I read with Luke Cage) and I loved it! I bought MTIO religiously for quite a while, at least to the end of the Pegasus Project storyline. And I had most of the earlier issues from used-book stores (priced two for a quarter). I specifically remember #10 as being one of my favorite issues from the very early days. MTIO was one of the delights of the Bronze Age. Agreed! MTIO is one of those quintessential Bronze Age titles, to me.
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Post by dbutler69 on Aug 24, 2016 10:07:22 GMT -5
You're right that there seems to be more smoke than fire in these relationships. With Wally, I'd just figured that it was because Raven was influencing him, but I guess I forgot that he found out after only a few issues. I do recall thinking that there would be more to the Robin-Starfire relationship when I re-read these a few years ago. It reminds me of when I re-read all of my X-Men comics (between back issues and reprints, I've got the first 300 issues) also a few years ago, and when I was reading the Silver Age issues, I thought that there would be more to the Scott-Jean relationship. It seems like they spend most of their time pining away for each other, afraid to tell each other how they feel, then by the time hey finally start dating, the team breaks up...then bets back together, then gets changed to an all-reprint title. I'm reading through X-Men from the jump right now. Nearly 20 issues in. I am anxious to see how the Jean/Scott thing develops, but from what you've just said I guess I'm in for a long ride of never going to distance between those two. I'm also anxious to see if it's true that Wolverine actually had a legitimate thing for Jean, or if that was just some small anecdote that was pushed overboard by the 90's cartoon show. I'm pretty sure that the Wolverine/Jean thing was only in Logan's mind. He never had a shot with her. However, Claremont did retcon this a bit in those backup stories in Classic X-Men.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Aug 24, 2016 11:09:58 GMT -5
I'm reading through X-Men from the jump right now. Nearly 20 issues in. I am anxious to see how the Jean/Scott thing develops, but from what you've just said I guess I'm in for a long ride of never going to distance between those two. I'm also anxious to see if it's true that Wolverine actually had a legitimate thing for Jean, or if that was just some small anecdote that was pushed overboard by the 90's cartoon show. I'm pretty sure that the Wolverine/Jean thing was only in Logan's mind. He never had a shot with her. However, Claremont did retcon this a bit in those backup stories in Classic X-Men. Are the backup stories in Classic X-Men of any huge importance? Did a lot of people miss out on those stories because they didn't buy reprints? Because isn't that was Classic X-Men essentially was? Just reprinted stories?
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Post by dbutler69 on Aug 24, 2016 14:23:32 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that the Wolverine/Jean thing was only in Logan's mind. He never had a shot with her. However, Claremont did retcon this a bit in those backup stories in Classic X-Men. Are the backup stories in Classic X-Men of any huge importance? Did a lot of people miss out on those stories because they didn't buy reprints? Because isn't that was Classic X-Men essentially was? Just reprinted stories? Yes, Classic X-Men reprinted the "All-New, All-Different" X-Men starting from Giant Size #1. IIRC, Classic X-Men had no ads, so they had some extra pages to fill after reprinting an older issue, and they filled them in with "behind the scenes" X-Men stories written by Claremont which happened at about the time of (just before or just after) the issue that had just been reprinted. I don't know if I'd say they were of huge importance, but for the most part they're pretty neat. Apparently, they're reprinted in a TPB series called X-Men: Vignettes in case you're interested.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Aug 24, 2016 15:08:42 GMT -5
Fantastic Four #347-349
347- The World's Goofiest Comic Magazine! 348- The World's Most Commercialest Comic Magazine! 349- The World's Most Collectable Comic Magazine!
Hulk(Fixit), Spidey, Ghost Rider and Wolverine are the new FF as a mysterious gal from space crash lands on Earth while being pursued by Skrulls. And posing as Sue she deceives them into thinking the FF are dead, and that only they can find the means for her to exact vengeance of her family's killer. These three issues got it all. Hulks smartass comments, Spidey's quips, GR's thirst for vengeance and Wolverine out of uniform, smokin a stogie and antagonizing the Hulk. Complete with a awesome script by Walt Simonson and drop dead art perfection from Art Adams. Sprinkle in a few quest stars, twists and turns, and more of Wolverine poking fun at Hulk and you got one of the top five stories to come out of the FF comic. I never get tried of reading these issues. Even if I remember the lines and what's going to happen, Adam's art is almost perfection in this.
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Post by hondobrode on Aug 24, 2016 19:03:40 GMT -5
It's even more incredible to me that Art Adams is completely self taught.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Aug 24, 2016 20:49:48 GMT -5
It's even more incredible to me that Art Adams is completely self taught. Same with George Perez. Everyone has a shot.
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Post by hondobrode on Aug 24, 2016 21:14:25 GMT -5
Oh !
I didn't know that.
What other comic artists are strictly self taught ?
It could be argued that, to a degree, they're all self taught, but what artists went professional without ever having gone to art school ?
I'm not sure but I think Mike Allred would be in this category as well. When I met him at SDCC, he said he had always doodled and was actually a newscaster before getting into the business IIRC.
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Post by Spike-X on Aug 25, 2016 6:23:11 GMT -5
I'm also anxious to see if it's true that Wolverine actually had a legitimate thing for Jean, or if that was just some small anecdote that was pushed overboard by the 90's cartoon show. Nah, Wolvie's thing was solid - straight up, you could say - but Jean didn't want anything to do with his thing.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Aug 25, 2016 6:40:33 GMT -5
Oh ! I didn't know that. What other comic artists are strictly self taught ? It could be argued that, to a degree, they're all self taught, but what artists went professional without ever having gone to art school ? I'm not sure but I think Mike Allred would be in this category as well. When I met him at SDCC, he said he had always doodled and was actually a newscaster before getting into the business IIRC. Off the top of my head Jim Aparo, Greg Capullo, Frank Miller, and David Finch (who was a high school drop out) I know there are others out there.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Aug 25, 2016 13:30:46 GMT -5
It's even more incredible to me that Art Adams is completely self taught. Holeee shit! You wouldn't be yanking my chain? ;-) I really would have thought he would've had professional training to be that good.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Aug 25, 2016 15:57:24 GMT -5
I'm reading through X-Men from the jump right now. Nearly 20 issues in. I am anxious to see how the Jean/Scott thing develops, but from what you've just said I guess I'm in for a long ride of never going to distance between those two. I'm also anxious to see if it's true that Wolverine actually had a legitimate thing for Jean, or if that was just some small anecdote that was pushed overboard by the 90's cartoon show. I'm pretty sure that the Wolverine/Jean thing was only in Logan's mind. He never had a shot with her. However, Claremont did retcon this a bit in those backup stories in Classic X-Men. Exactly; the mutual attraction was retconned into existence in the pages of Classic X-Men, after Jean had died. In the regular book, Logan was even caught thinking about how he had the hots for her but how it was nothing compared to what he felt for Mariko... so it's not as if it was that serious to begin with.
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Post by bor on Aug 26, 2016 3:23:37 GMT -5
Started re-reading Sandman yesterday. This will be the first time reading it since buying the Absolute editions. I have read the entire run many times before but always only in trade/single issues. Only read the first issue so far, but still highly enjoyed it.
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Post by hondobrode on Aug 26, 2016 9:38:31 GMT -5
It's even more incredible to me that Art Adams is completely self taught. Holeee shit! You wouldn't be yanking my chain? ;-) I really would have thought he would've had professional training to be that good. for reals ! I know, it floored me too
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Post by hondobrode on Aug 26, 2016 9:39:21 GMT -5
That would be the way to read it
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