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Post by Confessor on Aug 29, 2016 4:13:52 GMT -5
I away holidaying with my gf in Wiltshire in the West of England at the moment and I'm enjoying reading Sean Howe's Marvel Comics: The Untold Story while I'm away. For some here it might be a bit too rudimentary, but I'm finding it a fascinating read, chock full of the triumphs, tribulations and betrayals backstage at the House of Ideas. Howe's writing style is engaging and very easy to read. If you're not already an expert on the goings on at Marvel during the Silver, Bronze and Modern Ages, I would definitely recommend this book.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Aug 29, 2016 4:20:02 GMT -5
I away holidaying with my gf in Wiltshire in the West of England at the moment and I'm enjoying reading Sean Howe's Marvel Comics: The Untold Story while I'm away. For some here it might be a bit too rudimentary, but I'm finding it a fascinating read, chock full of the triumphs, tribulations and betrayals backstage at the House of Ideas. Howe's writing style is engaging and very easy to read. If you're not already an expert on the goings on at Marvel during the Silver, Bronze and Modern Ages, I would definitely recommend this book. I too found it a fascinating read, even when I thought I was very conversant with the subject matter, having read Marvel comics beginning in 1964 and up as well as tons of fanzine material. Even if you think you're an expert, do check it out. Maybe I need to read it a second time, using the sideways method like The Confessor is doing. He might be seeing some stuff in-between the lines
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Aug 29, 2016 5:23:38 GMT -5
Great page illustrating my favorite and least favorite characters in this run so far. Wally has been annoying from the start of the series practically. Dick has been a jerk lately, but finally subsided after the Donna Troy piece a few issues later (which was really good). Wally is thankfully off the team now. Changeling has been fantastic since the jump.
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Post by Snikts and Stones on Aug 29, 2016 7:46:08 GMT -5
I recently re-read the Mutant Massacre in its entirety after purchasing the complete tpb. This filled in several blanks as I could never afford (or find) the ENTIRE run. What a big deal this must have been at the time. A brutal line wide cross over, the ramifications of which are felt for years as this really propels the X-books into a major shake up of the status quo.
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Post by dbutler69 on Aug 29, 2016 8:58:33 GMT -5
Wally has been annoying from the start of the series practically. Dick has been a jerk lately, but finally subsided after the Donna Troy piece a few issues later (which was really good). Wally is thankfully off the team now. Changeling has been fantastic since the jump. Yeah, Wally was annoying! He's constantly whining. Dick was a bit of a jerk, mostly to Starfire, IIRC, though it's been a few years for me. Changeling was my favorite one of the bunch during this time. We definitely needed him around to lighten things up!
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Post by dbutler69 on Aug 29, 2016 9:01:53 GMT -5
I away holidaying with my gf in Wiltshire in the West of England at the moment and I'm enjoying reading Sean Howe's Marvel Comics: The Untold Story while I'm away. For some here it might be a bit too rudimentary, but I'm finding it a fascinating read, chock full of the triumphs, tribulations and betrayals backstage at the House of Ideas. Howe's writing style is engaging and very easy to read. If you're not already an expert on the goings on at Marvel during the Silver, Bronze and Modern Ages, I would definitely recommend this book. I got a free sample of it for my Kindle, and read that, and found it very interesting. It's on my list of things to buy, once I get a little more caught up in my reading, though I have shied away from it in the past because I was afraid it would shatter my illusion of the happy Marvel bullpen. However, my illusion of that is already pretty well cracked, so I suppose I may as well take the plunge and read this.
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Post by dbutler69 on Aug 29, 2016 9:03:53 GMT -5
I away holidaying with my gf in Wiltshire in the West of England at the moment and I'm enjoying reading Sean Howe's Marvel Comics: The Untold Story while I'm away. For some here it might be a bit too rudimentary, but I'm finding it a fascinating read, chock full of the triumphs, tribulations and betrayals backstage at the House of Ideas. Howe's writing style is engaging and very easy to read. If you're not already an expert on the goings on at Marvel during the Silver, Bronze and Modern Ages, I would definitely recommend this book. I too found it a fascinating read, even when I thought I was very conversant with the subject matter, having read Marvel comics beginning in 1964 and up as well as tons of fanzine material. Even if you think you're an expert, do check it out. Maybe I need to read it a second time, using the sideways method like The Confessor is doing. He might be seeing some stuff in-between the lines What is The Confessor's sideways method, or could you post a link? I'd be interested for whenever I get around to reading this.
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Post by Tom Corsi on Aug 29, 2016 11:33:03 GMT -5
I away holidaying with my gf in Wiltshire in the West of England at the moment and I'm enjoying reading Sean Howe's Marvel Comics: The Untold Story while I'm away. For some here it might be a bit too rudimentary, but I'm finding it a fascinating read, chock full of the triumphs, tribulations and betrayals backstage at the House of Ideas. Howe's writing style is engaging and very easy to read. If you're not already an expert on the goings on at Marvel during the Silver, Bronze and Modern Ages, I would definitely recommend this book. Fantastic book, great info and an enjoyable read. Currently, I've been doing a big dive into classic Avengers continuity, reading all the recommended issues, storyline and runs I could find. I was so excited approaching the Roger Stern run - I've heard great things but never really read his work - but seeing dozens of issues ahead of me by Al Milgrom, paired with late Shooter era colouring, has kinda killed my momentum.
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Post by Tom Corsi on Aug 29, 2016 11:36:37 GMT -5
I recently re-read the Mutant Massacre in its entirety after purchasing the complete tpb. This filled in several blanks as I could never afford (or find) the ENTIRE run. What a big deal this must have been at the time. A brutal line wide cross over, the ramifications of which are felt for years as this really propels the X-books into a major shake up of the status quo. They really do just smash the classic X-Men status quo - say goodbye to the Mansion and your favourite characters, here's Havok, Longshot and some chick named Psylocke instead. Ballsy.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 29, 2016 11:37:30 GMT -5
I away holidaying with my gf in Wiltshire in the West of England at the moment and I'm enjoying reading Sean Howe's Marvel Comics: The Untold Story while I'm away. For some here it might be a bit too rudimentary, but I'm finding it a fascinating read, chock full of the triumphs, tribulations and betrayals backstage at the House of Ideas. Howe's writing style is engaging and very easy to read. If you're not already an expert on the goings on at Marvel during the Silver, Bronze and Modern Ages, I would definitely recommend this book. I thought it was a pretty darn good book. Here's what I said on Goodreads... "I've read hundreds of fanzines and prozines with thousands of interviews with creators. And I've read dozens of books covering largely the same subject matter. So it's, frankly, kind of hard to surprise me in a book like this. Moreover, it's gotten increasingly hard for someone to write such a book that I don't pick apart for some fairly blatant errors. Howe managed to keep my interest with no problem whatsoever, not include any egregious errors (that I noticed) and put in a thing or three that I wasn't actually aware of before picking up the book. The new knowledge was largely concentrated in the very early days of Marvel (I wasn't super familiar with Martin Goodman's early life) and in the post-Shooter years (because I've never really been arsed to care) but they were there and that's a good thing. One thing to the good is that I think Howe took a reasonably nonpartisan tack in the increasingly tedious Stan vs. Jack debate, which I greatly appreciated. This probably isn't the book for everyone. But if you're interested in the popular culture of the last hundred years this is a good look at an important part of that little corner of our world."
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Post by Confessor on Aug 29, 2016 11:50:23 GMT -5
I away holidaying with my gf in Wiltshire in the West of England at the moment and I'm enjoying reading Sean Howe's Marvel Comics: The Untold Story while I'm away. For some here it might be a bit too rudimentary, but I'm finding it a fascinating read, chock full of the triumphs, tribulations and betrayals backstage at the House of Ideas. Howe's writing style is engaging and very easy to read. If you're not already an expert on the goings on at Marvel during the Silver, Bronze and Modern Ages, I would definitely recommend this book. One thing to the good is that I think Howe took a reasonably nonpartisan tack in the increasingly tedious Stan vs. Jack debate, which I greatly appreciated. Yeah, I'm up to about the mid-70s, so Jack's long gone and I too was glad that Howe didn't seem to particularly take a side in that long running debate. He was fairly impartial, which, like you, I regard as a good thing from a historian.
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Post by brutalis on Aug 29, 2016 12:14:15 GMT -5
Read Machine Man issues 1 and 2 from the just printed Complete Collection. Pure Kirby fun and awesomeness. Looking forward to the rest of the book and that includes the Ditko issues. For me any Jack and Steve is worthwhile reading in comparison to much of the current garbage. If only today's creator's had even half the creativity and daring to do/try new things...
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Post by Snikts and Stones on Aug 29, 2016 12:41:55 GMT -5
I recently re-read the Mutant Massacre in its entirety after purchasing the complete tpb. This filled in several blanks as I could never afford (or find) the ENTIRE run. What a big deal this must have been at the time. A brutal line wide cross over, the ramifications of which are felt for years as this really propels the X-books into a major shake up of the status quo. They really do just smash the classic X-Men status quo - say goodbye to the Mansion and your favourite characters, here's Havok, Longshot and some chick named Psylocke instead. Ballsy. Yes! The lineup that for many people is THE quintesstial X-lineup is shattered and tossed to the winds. In hindsight I also think it's quite poignant that when they leave the mansion, it's the last time the X-Men and NM share that place, until just before that line wide reshuffle.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Aug 29, 2016 14:08:28 GMT -5
Thanks to the collected Tarzan stories by Joe Kubert, I've been through the first five issues of that run (starting with #207... How nice to see that in those days, the numbering of a comic could go on even when it switched publishers, unlike today's constant renumbering... but I digress).
Kubert's vision of Tarzan is unique. It's impressionistic and very real at the same time. You recognize his Tarzan as being the genuine thing; he's no muscle-bound bodybuilder as some would have him be; he's truly panther-like. Kubert's Tarzan doesn't have the long and unkempt hair of Christophe Lambert's Greystoke, but he doesn't look as if he just came out of the barber shop either (as do Manning's and Hogarth's versions, and to some extent Foster's).
I had however never noticed that Kubert reuses several panels from issue to issue. There's a particular one we see three times in three issues. Surpsie, surprise!
I also don't think mixing some Hogarth panels with some of Joe's work all that well. I can understand why Hogarth was upset about it, especially since the reprinting doesn't do the original work justice.
The modern printing doesn't quite work for me either... I don't know if its, nostalgia or what, but I truly believe these stories looked better on cheap newsprint with benday-dots than on glossy paper with full color. Not a big deal, but it makes me glad to have several of the originals.
Kubert is truly a master. If "show, don't tell" is a rule of storytelling, I think "suggest, don't show" should be another... and Kubert is capable of making you imagine an entire jungle, lush and inextricable, with just a few dashes of his brush. He is amazing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2016 14:51:29 GMT -5
Wonder Woman#20 Who Killed Myndi Mayer Reading it now had much more of an impact that when I was a teenager in 1988. A very neat whodunit style story with great Perez artwork.
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