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Post by String on Sept 1, 2016 12:52:50 GMT -5
Mutant Massacre was a game-changer on a number of levels, from the roster shake-up to the dark tones of the story to the self-contained franchise execution of this event to the consequences that resonated for years later. UXM#213 remains my favorite issue of this story, featuring wonderful work from Alan Davis. This was my first exposure to Betsy and it wasn't until some years later that I was able to read some of Davis' original work with her in his Captain Britain strip. It's almost like she was a wholly different character by the time Claremont got to her. Claremont actually created Betsy Braddock, in Captain Britain #13 back in December 1976. Back then, she was a blonde haired charter pilot, so the Alan Moore/Alan Davis purple haired fashion model/spy version in the early eighties was actually the first revamp of her as a character. Of course, when Claremot got hold of her again, he totally changed her from not only who she had been when written by Moore, Davis and Jamie Delano, but also from who she had been when he himself had first introduced her. in fact, it wasn't until her first American appearance, ten years after her actual introduction, that her psychic powers were even confirmed to be a result of her being a mutant... Wow. I think I had only read back to when she took over being Captain Britain from Brian so I didn't know about this. In fact, whenever I think of early Betsy, I think of this:
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Post by String on Sept 1, 2016 13:05:31 GMT -5
Arak Son of Thunder #1-2
I'd read of the love some of the others here have for this series and it occurred to me that I may have the first two issues somewhere in my collection. After some searching, I did in fact have them though I have little memory of when, where or how I acquired them. I don't think I'd ever read them before now either.
Gotta say, the set-up by Thomas is very engaging. I liked his explanation in the back of #2 about wanting to do a sword & sorcery title based more upon the real or historical world. The background settings are rich as well as the historical context. Arak himself is an interesting character, a mixture of his heritage and his upbringing among the Norsemen. And Wow, Colon's art is amazing, moody, dark, ethereal, graceful, a perfect fit for Thomas' narration and story. I may have track down the rest of this title now.
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Post by tingramretro on Sept 1, 2016 13:12:39 GMT -5
Claremont actually created Betsy Braddock, in Captain Britain #13 back in December 1976. Back then, she was a blonde haired charter pilot, so the Alan Moore/Alan Davis purple haired fashion model/spy version in the early eighties was actually the first revamp of her as a character. Of course, when Claremot got hold of her again, he totally changed her from not only who she had been when written by Moore, Davis and Jamie Delano, but also from who she had been when he himself had first introduced her. in fact, it wasn't until her first American appearance, ten years after her actual introduction, that her psychic powers were even confirmed to be a result of her being a mutant... Wow. I think I had only read back to when she took over being Captain Britain from Brian so I didn't know about this. In fact, whenever I think of early Betsy, I think of this: That's originally from Captain Britain volume 2 #13, from January 1986. It was actually published in black and white, like the rest of volume two, but colourised when it was reprinted in trade. Betsy had already been around for nine years by that time. And if you haven't read at least the Alan Moore stuff, you really should-it's some of the best material Marvel ever put out, in my opinion, and some of the best of Moore's early work.
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Post by dbutler69 on Sept 1, 2016 13:20:52 GMT -5
As I continue my journey through Lee and Kirby's Fantastic Four run, it's pretty clear that these old comics of the time period could definitely be an acquired taste with modern day readers that may not have ventured this far back in exploring the medium. It's taken me a while to get through this run because I keep starting and stopping. The further I get along though, the more I am interested in most of what the stories have to offer. They are getting better, and it's clear that it did take a while for Lee and Kirby to get comfortable with their craft. There are already a few stories that I've read though that I'll remember as being quite engaging for myself. I do envy the people in the past that had the experience to read this when it came out. I'll never have that sense of wonder and awe like a lot of people did on it's initial release. So I try to always keep a historical context in mind. {Spoiler: Click to show}Fantastic Four #40 is as far as I've gotten as of now, and I wouldn't be surprised if this issue ends up being one of my all time favorites depending on far I get with the title (I plan to go beyond Lee/Kirby). It's the conclusion of a two, arguably three part arc depicting the Fantastic Four having lost their powers due to a conflict with the Frightful Four during the start of the previous issue. Reed Richards and the group are now faced with the possibly new reality that their powers are gone for good. What ensues is an almost frantic Reed trying to come up with a way to counteract with the circumstances with inventions to replace with powers of the group to keep the status quo. However this soon starts to simply come off as a gimmick, and for all of Reed's intelligence it appears he will not be able to restore everyone's abilities. This is actually quite a sad scene seeing the members trying out these gizmos that are supposed to replace the gifts they once had, but sadly the lack of grace is apparent and it's clear that this approach isn't going to work in the long run. Reed then contacts ace attorney Matt Murdock, secretly known as the blind vigilante Daredevil, in an effort to hire his services for power of attorney and take care of the Fantastic Four's affairs should anything happen to them. Unfortunately this entire situation gets worse as Doctor Doom returns from his ruling of Latveria to crush the Fantastic Four. It's revealed that Doom found out that he hadn't defeated the group for good as he previously believed since he was under a hypnotic spell from a previous issue. Furious Doom arrives in New York and takes over the Baxter building while the Fantastic Four are outside practicing with their new replacement equipment. Doom now has control over all of Reed Richard's technological warehouse and uses it to his advantage trying to destroy his arch nemesis Richards and company. Didn't expect to type all this out, but this was basically a recap of issue 39 hilariously enough.
Now, issue 40 kicks off with Matt Murdock turned Daredevil trying to help the powerless Fantastic Four reach the Baxter building and avoid Doom's onslaught of advanced machinery in the process. Daredevil is really doing the heavy lifting here and it shows. He gets plenty of panel time. I remember thinking that Daredevil really wasn't the guy you wanted to help against the force of Doom as he's more of a street level hero, but Lee and Kirby do a great job of illustrating him trying his hardest with a great display of wit while essentially just trying to get himself and the group to survive being killed. Eventually everyone makes it to the Baxter building. Daredevil first while trying to sneak up on Doom to buy time for the Fantastic Four to confront Doom. They don't have their powers though, and they don't have a plan either. So it's unknown what they really plan to do. This is about the mid point of the issue. However, just went it all looks dark with Daredevil down for the count and Ben Grimm and Johnny Storm getting swated away like flies, Reed is able to locate a machine ray that was used about 4 issues back on the Skrull homeworld. He uses it to restore the group's powers. Unfortunately at this point, it does come off as Reed pulling something out of his ass to save the day. It is explained later that he simply needed the ray to charge a few more days so it could be used again which is why it wasn't used initially. So the gimmick process, as explained by Reed, was for emergency situations only. However I can't give Lee a pass here, because the way it plays out in the previous issue is that this change is probably going to be permanent. Reed is working around the clock to come up with a replacement method for the group. I know it would have killed the drama if it was explained that everything will be fine in a few days, but the initial setup and everything Reed goes through just doesn't really make sense unless he know for certain they would have to save the world the next day. Perhaps if Reed said outright that the way maybe or probably has a low chance of restoring the group's powers...that could have been better.
So anyways, Doom escapes into another part of the Baxter building after Reed, Sue, and Johnny get their powers back. Ben Grimm isn't the Thing yet, and is still groggy from being knocked out by Doom as a normal man. Reed however decides to use the ray on Ben without his consent saying that the world needs Ben as the Thing, and that he's too important. You even hear Ben saying something to the effect "Hey wait what if I don't want to go back to being the Thing anymore!?" But it's too late, as Reed pulls the trigger. This does come off as a jerk move, and Reed even explains to Sue that Ben may never forgive him for it. The Thing then chases after Doom and arrives alone to confront him. Now usually when the Fantastic Four go up against Doom, the Thing is always defeated in some manner by Doom and his contraptions. Or rather, at this point in the narrative the reader probably knows that Thing doesn't stand a chance alone against Doom. Especially since Doom is in a room surrounding by technical gadgets at his disposal. But shockingly in what I thought was a huge payoff (since Ben is probably my favorite character) he defeats Doom. And not easily. Doom in this panel sequence comes off almost as cheap video game boss that just has all of his bag of tricks that keeps pulling out of nowhere. However through sheer will and determination, Ben finally beats the odds and defeats him. Muscle over mind, and I loved every second of it. He's even in the position to kill Doom, but the Fantastic Four finally arrive in time to stop Ben from going too far. By the way where was the group this entire time? Tending to Daredevil's wounds apparently and helping him go home. Yes Daredevil with a sore hand needed all three members of the Fantastic Four to help him. So that was hard sell. It was worth the result though I admit. But wait, not all is happy in FF land. Ben is angry that he didn't have say in his choice to return to being The Thing. He's ticked off and he's had it. He decides to leave the Fantastic Four in the last panel, and it's tough not to sympathize with him after being on the brink of living a normal life again.
Overall, this is one story I shall soon not forget. It did have some groaning moments, especially Reed pulling a rabbit out his hat with the restoration device he conveniently forgot to mention, but I think it's still a nice read. I've always said that the FF gets great starting with #44. You're almost there!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2016 13:56:36 GMT -5
Arak Son of Thunder #1-2
I'd read of the love some of the others here have for this series and it occurred to me that I may have the first two issues somewhere in my collection. After some searching, I did in fact have them though I have little memory of when, where or how I acquired them. I don't think I'd ever read them before now either. Gotta say, the set-up by Thomas is very engaging. I liked his explanation in the back of #2 about wanting to do a sword & sorcery title based more upon the real or historical world. The background settings are rich as well as the historical context. Arak himself is an interesting character, a mixture of his heritage and his upbringing among the Norsemen. And Wow, Colon's art is amazing, moody, dark, ethereal, graceful, a perfect fit for Thomas' narration and story. I may have track down the rest of this title now. I did a series of reviews of most of the Arak run in my From the Sorcerer's Scroll review thread starting here... -M
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Post by Rob Allen on Sept 1, 2016 14:49:46 GMT -5
Some of the story problems you mention in the spoiler are artifacts of the way Lee & Kirby worked - Jack plotted & drew the story first, then Stan got the pages and added dialogue and captions. Sometimes he had to use words to paper over a hole in the plot. Sometimes it worked better than other times.
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Post by Confessor on Sept 2, 2016 11:18:31 GMT -5
Nice UK, pre-decimal 10 pence stamp on that comic. I always like seeing those.
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Post by Tom Corsi on Sept 4, 2016 11:49:48 GMT -5
.. It really must have been a joy when this came out in the mid eighties to be able to fully take all of this in for the first time without the foreknowledge of what ultimately happens which I unfortunately didn't have the luxury of. Being involved in the comic and pop culture world already spoiled some major parts of the narrative for me sadly. But I still got a lot of substance out of the material. Same. And honestly, I came to New Teen Titans after devouring the Claremont X-Men run and wanting more Bronze Age melodrama, but wasn't 100% taken - of course this was after a lifetime of second-hand hype. Still a fantastic run. And that moment in The Judas Contract when Jericho reveals his powers for the first time to Dick Grayson: electrifying.
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 4, 2016 16:17:28 GMT -5
As I continue my journey through Lee and Kirby's Fantastic Four run, it's pretty clear that these old comics of the time period could definitely be an acquired taste with modern day readers that may not have ventured this far back in exploring the medium. It's taken me a while to get through this run because I keep starting and stopping. The further I get along though, the more I am interested in most of what the stories have to offer. They are getting better, and it's clear that it did take a while for Lee and Kirby to get comfortable with their craft. There are already a few stories that I've read though that I'll remember as being quite engaging for myself. I do envy the people in the past that had the experience to read this when it came out. I'll never have that sense of wonder and awe like a lot of people did on it's initial release. So I try to always keep a historical context in mind. {Spoiler: Click to show}Fantastic Four #40 is as far as I've gotten as of now, and I wouldn't be surprised if this issue ends up being one of my all time favorites depending on far I get with the title (I plan to go beyond Lee/Kirby). It's the conclusion of a two, arguably three part arc depicting the Fantastic Four having lost their powers due to a conflict with the Frightful Four during the start of the previous issue. Reed Richards and the group are now faced with the possibly new reality that their powers are gone for good. What ensues is an almost frantic Reed trying to come up with a way to counteract with the circumstances with inventions to replace with powers of the group to keep the status quo. However this soon starts to simply come off as a gimmick, and for all of Reed's intelligence it appears he will not be able to restore everyone's abilities. This is actually quite a sad scene seeing the members trying out these gizmos that are supposed to replace the gifts they once had, but sadly the lack of grace is apparent and it's clear that this approach isn't going to work in the long run. Reed then contacts ace attorney Matt Murdock, secretly known as the blind vigilante Daredevil, in an effort to hire his services for power of attorney and take care of the Fantastic Four's affairs should anything happen to them. Unfortunately this entire situation gets worse as Doctor Doom returns from his ruling of Latveria to crush the Fantastic Four. It's revealed that Doom found out that he hadn't defeated the group for good as he previously believed since he was under a hypnotic spell from a previous issue. Furious Doom arrives in New York and takes over the Baxter building while the Fantastic Four are outside practicing with their new replacement equipment. Doom now has control over all of Reed Richard's technological warehouse and uses it to his advantage trying to destroy his arch nemesis Richards and company. Didn't expect to type all this out, but this was basically a recap of issue 39 hilariously enough.
Now, issue 40 kicks off with Matt Murdock turned Daredevil trying to help the powerless Fantastic Four reach the Baxter building and avoid Doom's onslaught of advanced machinery in the process. Daredevil is really doing the heavy lifting here and it shows. He gets plenty of panel time. I remember thinking that Daredevil really wasn't the guy you wanted to help against the force of Doom as he's more of a street level hero, but Lee and Kirby do a great job of illustrating him trying his hardest with a great display of wit while essentially just trying to get himself and the group to survive being killed. Eventually everyone makes it to the Baxter building. Daredevil first while trying to sneak up on Doom to buy time for the Fantastic Four to confront Doom. They don't have their powers though, and they don't have a plan either. So it's unknown what they really plan to do. This is about the mid point of the issue. However, just went it all looks dark with Daredevil down for the count and Ben Grimm and Johnny Storm getting swated away like flies, Reed is able to locate a machine ray that was used about 4 issues back on the Skrull homeworld. He uses it to restore the group's powers. Unfortunately at this point, it does come off as Reed pulling something out of his ass to save the day. It is explained later that he simply needed the ray to charge a few more days so it could be used again which is why it wasn't used initially. So the gimmick process, as explained by Reed, was for emergency situations only. However I can't give Lee a pass here, because the way it plays out in the previous issue is that this change is probably going to be permanent. Reed is working around the clock to come up with a replacement method for the group. I know it would have killed the drama if it was explained that everything will be fine in a few days, but the initial setup and everything Reed goes through just doesn't really make sense unless he know for certain they would have to save the world the next day. Perhaps if Reed said outright that the way maybe or probably has a low chance of restoring the group's powers...that could have been better.
So anyways, Doom escapes into another part of the Baxter building after Reed, Sue, and Johnny get their powers back. Ben Grimm isn't the Thing yet, and is still groggy from being knocked out by Doom as a normal man. Reed however decides to use the ray on Ben without his consent saying that the world needs Ben as the Thing, and that he's too important. You even hear Ben saying something to the effect "Hey wait what if I don't want to go back to being the Thing anymore!?" But it's too late, as Reed pulls the trigger. This does come off as a jerk move, and Reed even explains to Sue that Ben may never forgive him for it. The Thing then chases after Doom and arrives alone to confront him. Now usually when the Fantastic Four go up against Doom, the Thing is always defeated in some manner by Doom and his contraptions. Or rather, at this point in the narrative the reader probably knows that Thing doesn't stand a chance alone against Doom. Especially since Doom is in a room surrounding by technical gadgets at his disposal. But shockingly in what I thought was a huge payoff (since Ben is probably my favorite character) he defeats Doom. And not easily. Doom in this panel sequence comes off almost as cheap video game boss that just has all of his bag of tricks that keeps pulling out of nowhere. However through sheer will and determination, Ben finally beats the odds and defeats him. Muscle over mind, and I loved every second of it. He's even in the position to kill Doom, but the Fantastic Four finally arrive in time to stop Ben from going too far. By the way where was the group this entire time? Tending to Daredevil's wounds apparently and helping him go home. Yes Daredevil with a sore hand needed all three members of the Fantastic Four to help him. So that was hard sell. It was worth the result though I admit. But wait, not all is happy in FF land. Ben is angry that he didn't have say in his choice to return to being The Thing. He's ticked off and he's had it. He decides to leave the Fantastic Four in the last panel, and it's tough not to sympathize with him after being on the brink of living a normal life again.
Overall, this is one story I shall soon not forget. It did have some groaning moments, especially Reed pulling a rabbit out his hat with the restoration device he conveniently forgot to mention, but I think it's still a nice read. These two issues, that I read in reprint form in Marvels Greatest Comics, might have been the gateway drug for me with the Fantastic Four. I love it. As for the restoration device, he was working on it a few issues back and it wasn't ready yet to deploy.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Sept 4, 2016 18:50:46 GMT -5
As I continue my journey through Lee and Kirby's Fantastic Four run, it's pretty clear that these old comics of the time period could definitely be an acquired taste with modern day readers that may not have ventured this far back in exploring the medium. It's taken me a while to get through this run because I keep starting and stopping. The further I get along though, the more I am interested in most of what the stories have to offer. They are getting better, and it's clear that it did take a while for Lee and Kirby to get comfortable with their craft. There are already a few stories that I've read though that I'll remember as being quite engaging for myself. I do envy the people in the past that had the experience to read this when it came out. I'll never have that sense of wonder and awe like a lot of people did on it's initial release. So I try to always keep a historical context in mind. {Spoiler: Click to show}Fantastic Four #40 is as far as I've gotten as of now, and I wouldn't be surprised if this issue ends up being one of my all time favorites depending on far I get with the title (I plan to go beyond Lee/Kirby). It's the conclusion of a two, arguably three part arc depicting the Fantastic Four having lost their powers due to a conflict with the Frightful Four during the start of the previous issue. Reed Richards and the group are now faced with the possibly new reality that their powers are gone for good. What ensues is an almost frantic Reed trying to come up with a way to counteract with the circumstances with inventions to replace with powers of the group to keep the status quo. However this soon starts to simply come off as a gimmick, and for all of Reed's intelligence it appears he will not be able to restore everyone's abilities. This is actually quite a sad scene seeing the members trying out these gizmos that are supposed to replace the gifts they once had, but sadly the lack of grace is apparent and it's clear that this approach isn't going to work in the long run. Reed then contacts ace attorney Matt Murdock, secretly known as the blind vigilante Daredevil, in an effort to hire his services for power of attorney and take care of the Fantastic Four's affairs should anything happen to them. Unfortunately this entire situation gets worse as Doctor Doom returns from his ruling of Latveria to crush the Fantastic Four. It's revealed that Doom found out that he hadn't defeated the group for good as he previously believed since he was under a hypnotic spell from a previous issue. Furious Doom arrives in New York and takes over the Baxter building while the Fantastic Four are outside practicing with their new replacement equipment. Doom now has control over all of Reed Richard's technological warehouse and uses it to his advantage trying to destroy his arch nemesis Richards and company. Didn't expect to type all this out, but this was basically a recap of issue 39 hilariously enough.
Now, issue 40 kicks off with Matt Murdock turned Daredevil trying to help the powerless Fantastic Four reach the Baxter building and avoid Doom's onslaught of advanced machinery in the process. Daredevil is really doing the heavy lifting here and it shows. He gets plenty of panel time. I remember thinking that Daredevil really wasn't the guy you wanted to help against the force of Doom as he's more of a street level hero, but Lee and Kirby do a great job of illustrating him trying his hardest with a great display of wit while essentially just trying to get himself and the group to survive being killed. Eventually everyone makes it to the Baxter building. Daredevil first while trying to sneak up on Doom to buy time for the Fantastic Four to confront Doom. They don't have their powers though, and they don't have a plan either. So it's unknown what they really plan to do. This is about the mid point of the issue. However, just went it all looks dark with Daredevil down for the count and Ben Grimm and Johnny Storm getting swated away like flies, Reed is able to locate a machine ray that was used about 4 issues back on the Skrull homeworld. He uses it to restore the group's powers. Unfortunately at this point, it does come off as Reed pulling something out of his ass to save the day. It is explained later that he simply needed the ray to charge a few more days so it could be used again which is why it wasn't used initially. So the gimmick process, as explained by Reed, was for emergency situations only. However I can't give Lee a pass here, because the way it plays out in the previous issue is that this change is probably going to be permanent. Reed is working around the clock to come up with a replacement method for the group. I know it would have killed the drama if it was explained that everything will be fine in a few days, but the initial setup and everything Reed goes through just doesn't really make sense unless he know for certain they would have to save the world the next day. Perhaps if Reed said outright that the way maybe or probably has a low chance of restoring the group's powers...that could have been better.
So anyways, Doom escapes into another part of the Baxter building after Reed, Sue, and Johnny get their powers back. Ben Grimm isn't the Thing yet, and is still groggy from being knocked out by Doom as a normal man. Reed however decides to use the ray on Ben without his consent saying that the world needs Ben as the Thing, and that he's too important. You even hear Ben saying something to the effect "Hey wait what if I don't want to go back to being the Thing anymore!?" But it's too late, as Reed pulls the trigger. This does come off as a jerk move, and Reed even explains to Sue that Ben may never forgive him for it. The Thing then chases after Doom and arrives alone to confront him. Now usually when the Fantastic Four go up against Doom, the Thing is always defeated in some manner by Doom and his contraptions. Or rather, at this point in the narrative the reader probably knows that Thing doesn't stand a chance alone against Doom. Especially since Doom is in a room surrounding by technical gadgets at his disposal. But shockingly in what I thought was a huge payoff (since Ben is probably my favorite character) he defeats Doom. And not easily. Doom in this panel sequence comes off almost as cheap video game boss that just has all of his bag of tricks that keeps pulling out of nowhere. However through sheer will and determination, Ben finally beats the odds and defeats him. Muscle over mind, and I loved every second of it. He's even in the position to kill Doom, but the Fantastic Four finally arrive in time to stop Ben from going too far. By the way where was the group this entire time? Tending to Daredevil's wounds apparently and helping him go home. Yes Daredevil with a sore hand needed all three members of the Fantastic Four to help him. So that was hard sell. It was worth the result though I admit. But wait, not all is happy in FF land. Ben is angry that he didn't have say in his choice to return to being The Thing. He's ticked off and he's had it. He decides to leave the Fantastic Four in the last panel, and it's tough not to sympathize with him after being on the brink of living a normal life again.
Overall, this is one story I shall soon not forget. It did have some groaning moments, especially Reed pulling a rabbit out his hat with the restoration device he conveniently forgot to mention, but I think it's still a nice read. These two issues, that I read in reprint form in Marvels Greatest Comics, might have been the gateway drug for me with the Fantastic Four. I love it. As for the restoration device, he was working on it a few issues back and it wasn't ready yet to deploy. But wasn't it used on the Fantastic Four themselves by that Skrull prince or whatever like an issue or two before these ones?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2016 18:55:52 GMT -5
Re reading DC & Marvel's Tarzan series. DC's felt more "raw" due to Joe Kubert's art. It is really hard not to compare Marvel's series to their Conan since Roy Thomas & John Buscema did both series for Marvel. Their Tarzan is good but not as good as their Conan work.
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 5, 2016 22:04:18 GMT -5
These two issues, that I read in reprint form in Marvels Greatest Comics, might have been the gateway drug for me with the Fantastic Four. I love it. As for the restoration device, he was working on it a few issues back and it wasn't ready yet to deploy. But wasn't it used on the Fantastic Four themselves by that Skrull prince or whatever like an issue or two before these ones? This is the panel explaining the why. Take it or leave it.
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Post by brutalis on Sept 6, 2016 7:57:32 GMT -5
The joy of the 3 day Labor Day weekend, actually enough time to do some reading. Not much but some. Started into the collected Joe Kubert Tarzan and read the first 4 issues telling the origin of Tarzan. Very wonderful Kubert art. The jungle he drew was truly thick, large and impressively overwhelming as it should be. His Tarzan a lithe, wiry creature who lords it over the apes and is somewhat smug in his differences from the apes. A really good introduction setting up for more to come.
Read issues 3 through 6 of Machine Man: the Ten-For Autocron story. Kirby at his finest really as he sets up man versus machine and the bigotry and similarities of military unleashed mindlessly. Ten-For's egotistical arrogance reflecting the military's own thought process and the eventual admittance of Machine Man understanding his own humanity in the face of humanity's possible destruction is comic book storytelling at its best. A bit in your face, but that is King Kirby, the man who pulls no punches and point blank shows and tells you how it is.
Looking forward to more time delving back into the world of Mr. Stack and friends.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Sept 6, 2016 11:32:58 GMT -5
But wasn't it used on the Fantastic Four themselves by that Skrull prince or whatever like an issue or two before these ones? This is the panel explaining the why. Take it or leave it. Right I know, but Reed didn't say anything to the team about it before (why I don't know) and started working crazy on those devices as if they were going to be permanent replacements and he had no other alternatives. I know Lee and Kirby wanted to build drama, but that reveal later was a little hard to let slide. Reed should have just called the Avengers over for a few days.
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 6, 2016 11:57:22 GMT -5
This is the panel explaining the why. Take it or leave it. Right I know, but Reed didn't say anything to the team about it before (why I don't know) and started working crazy on those devices as if they were going to be permanent replacements and he had no other alternatives. I know Lee and Kirby wanted to build drama, but that reveal later was a little hard to let slide. Reed should have just called the Avengers over for a few days. I agree that having that device handy was anti climatic. The first part of the story gave the impression that their powers were gone gone.
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