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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 24, 2016 18:09:54 GMT -5
Are you guys serious ?
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Post by Spike-X on Sept 24, 2016 18:21:39 GMT -5
I'm reading Sabre #1. Boy, did Mcgregor get paid by the word ? Most writers in the seventies and early eighties wrote like they were. "Let the art tell half the story? Sheer nonsense! I'm a WRITER, dammit!"
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 24, 2016 18:27:56 GMT -5
I'm reading Sabre #1. Boy, did Mcgregor get paid by the word ? Most writers in the seventies and early eighties wrote like they were. "Let the art tell half the story? Sheer nonsense! I'm a WRITER, dammit!" Ha. It took me 30 minutes to read the first 5 pages.
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Post by RikerDonegal on Sept 24, 2016 18:36:16 GMT -5
I must have been freaking stupid when I was a kid! I bought the first four issues of Devil Dinosaur and then stopped. I'm not a fan of Kirby, and not a fan of his 1970s work, but... I read Devil Dinosaur about a year ago and thoroughly enjoyed it. Much to my surprise. And you are so right about the dialogue - for once it works just fine. Really wish that series had continued.
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Post by Hoosier X on Sept 24, 2016 18:55:10 GMT -5
Hey! If Moon Boy was real and spoke English somehow, he would talk just like he does in the Devil Dinosaur comic book! So there!
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Sept 24, 2016 19:29:08 GMT -5
I must have been freaking stupid when I was a kid! I bought the first four issues of Devil Dinosaur and then stopped. I'm not a fan of Kirby, and not a fan of his 1970s work, but... I read Devil Dinosaur about a year ago and thoroughly enjoyed it. Much to my surprise. And you are so right about the dialogue - for once it works just fine. Really wish that series had continued. Now finally I don't have to take all the heat myself on this forum. :-)
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Sept 24, 2016 23:24:08 GMT -5
I'm reading Sabre #1. Boy, did Mcgregor get paid by the word ? I find a lot of McGregor's work to be unreadable for just that reason. I don't need him to describe exactly what I'm seeing in the panels. Oddly, Nathaniel Dusk, is one of my favorite comics. But I suspect it is more due to the Colan art and the subject matter and is a favorite in spite of McGregor.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Sept 25, 2016 8:28:00 GMT -5
Incidently, here is my Devil Dinosaur review in the Series Overview Thread (my Machine Man one can also be found there.. I thnk it's the last one posted)
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Post by brutalis on Sept 26, 2016 8:39:26 GMT -5
Finished the Machine Man Ditko stories. Asi remember, mostly enjoyable but really not Machine Man to me, more like Spider-Man lite as Wolfman and DeFalco seemed to be writing for Ditko and not the Machine Man character. The villains are mostly human and weaker than Machine Man but all seem to give him trouble beyond his capabilities and he just barely wins in the end. Ditko's art is still fine but his style is very trapped in 60's styling and his Machine Man is not overly robotic with metallic sheen: more pliable and rubbery looking than anything and his arm/leg extensions stretching all over the page. Removing some of MM's overly powerful and illogical toys is a move for the good yet i thing then the writers kept him too limited in some of his abilities. An issue with yet another dose of humanities evolution to Godhood and the 1st thing they do is to Judge Machine Man as the humans have been judging him and as he judges humanity? Some Gods. An when is Marvel doing a special issue of all the newly evolved human to Gods for a sit down dinner reunion? These new Gods are in over abundance from Thor, Avengers, FF, X-Men, Defenders, Hercules, and so forth. Place Stack into an insurance company? Was there ever a less thought out of place for him to work? Thought the loss of the military back story was ok but could have been handled better. Involving him within the Marvel universe helped a bit but still most of those made MM a guest star in his own series. The damaging of his face and head causing psychological turmoil was interesting if a bit overdone. didn't like Kubla Khan but the idea of a man wanting to make MM his home had possibilities if continued properly. Madame Menace was fun. Jack O' Lantern was fun. Again i think the selling point and thought was hey, lets put Ditko on a Kirby book (never really done before) since it was a comic on the fringes. Sadly it just wasn't a well thought out ploy or sell well enough. Anybody for a Ditko Devil Dinosaur or Eternal's series? Nah, didn't think so...though what might Ditko do with Eternal's if based all upon his own writing and thoughts?!? as Artie Johnson might say: veeeeeddy interrrrrrresting
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Post by brutalis on Sept 26, 2016 8:42:48 GMT -5
And yes we are serious. All must bow down before the delight and awesomeness that is Kirby's Devil Dinosaur! You seriously can't see the true joy and wonder of a burnt crimson King T-Rex and his pet monkey-boy travelling his realm finding adventure and love? Where is your humanity sir?!?
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Post by berkley on Sept 26, 2016 9:48:18 GMT -5
Finished the Machine Man Ditko stories. Asi remember, mostly enjoyable but really not Machine Man to me, more like Spider-Man lite as Wolfman and DeFalco seemed to be writing for Ditko and not the Machine Man character. The villains are mostly human and weaker than Machine Man but all seem to give him trouble beyond his capabilities and he just barely wins in the end. Ditko's art is still fine but his style is very trapped in 60's styling and his Machine Man is not overly robotic with metallic sheen: more pliable and rubbery looking than anything and his arm/leg extensions stretching all over the page. Removing some of MM's overly powerful and illogical toys is a move for the good yet i thing then the writers kept him too limited in some of his abilities. An issue with yet another dose of humanities evolution to Godhood and the 1st thing they do is to Judge Machine Man as the humans have been judging him and as he judges humanity? Some Gods. An when is Marvel doing a special issue of all the newly evolved human to Gods for a sit down dinner reunion? These new Gods are in over abundance from Thor, Avengers, FF, X-Men, Defenders, Hercules, and so forth. Place Stack into an insurance company? Was there ever a less thought out of place for him to work? Thought the loss of the military back story was ok but could have been handled better. Involving him within the Marvel universe helped a bit but still most of those made MM a guest star in his own series. The damaging of his face and head causing psychological turmoil was interesting if a bit overdone. didn't like Kubla Khan but the idea of a man wanting to make MM his home had possibilities if continued properly. Madame Menace was fun. Jack O' Lantern was fun. Again i think the selling point and thought was hey, lets put Ditko on a Kirby book (never really done before) since it was a comic on the fringes. Sadly it just wasn't a well thought out ploy or sell well enough. Anybody for a Ditko Devil Dinosaur or Eternal's series? Nah, didn't think so...though what might Ditko do with Eternal's if based all upon his own writing and thoughts?!? as Artie Johnson might say: veeeeeddy interrrrrrresting After years of ranking Marv Wolfman as one of the top comics writers of the 70s, I've recently come to the conclusion that apart from ToD and a few other things (e.g. Night Force) his stuff was often painfully average. I can't think of a superhero series by Wolfman that I ever really loved. I like Kirby's Eternals too much to want to see Ditko's version. Same with Devil Dinosaur, to a lesser degree.
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 26, 2016 11:19:57 GMT -5
Yeah Wolfman was on top of the world in The 80's but maybe some of his stuff hasn't stood the test of time.
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Post by brutalis on Sept 26, 2016 11:43:31 GMT -5
Yeah Wolfman was on top of the world in The 80's but maybe some of his stuff hasn't stood the test of time. Wolfman's triumph is TOD with Colan and the Teen Titan's with Perez. Most all of his other writing's for me was always serviceable and enjoyable continuations of series that while never making the leap into greatness were always respectful of what came before and show that he tried to emulate the creators before him to capture the essence of what made most of the series what they were. He never did bastardize or deconstruct or ruin them, he kept them as ongoing monthly entertaining reading. Which is a great accomplishment i think especially with how today's writers are. Whenever Wolfman found something he was passionate about or truly inspired by you saw it in the story lines. He did create Blade the Vampire Slayer and Hanibal King afterall.
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 26, 2016 12:58:12 GMT -5
I really enjoyed his FF run.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Sept 26, 2016 16:16:13 GMT -5
Yeah Wolfman was on top of the world in The 80's but maybe some of his stuff hasn't stood the test of time. Yeah, after reading NTT, I was always excited to find a Wolfman comic, but then I've never really found another one I liked nearly as much. But, hey, MARV WOLFMAN is my 16-year old daughters favorite comic name ever, so he's got that going for him.
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