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Post by Phil Maurice on Mar 6, 2015 20:48:24 GMT -5
I started re-reading Lee and Kirby's X-Men. I can say I am honestly enjoying it far more than I did the first time around. But something is still slightly off about it. But it's still a lot of fun. But, my god, Professor X is so damn serious. ALLTHETIME. My first exposure to these stories was the 1979 Amazing Adventures reprints. They were on the stands alongside the then-current Byrne-Claremont issues. What dissonance! I enjoyed (and still do) the Stan and Jack X-Men, especially when the Sub-Mariner joins the evil mutants in issue #6.
The stand-outs for me are Wanda and Pietro. Their struggle for freedom weighed against their perceived debt to the crazed Magneto is one of the great personality conflicts of the Silver Age, IMHO.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 20:57:26 GMT -5
I started re-reading Lee and Kirby's X-Men. I can say I am honestly enjoying it far more than I did the first time around. But something is still slightly off about it. But it's still a lot of fun. But, my god, Professor X is so damn serious. ALLTHETIME. My first exposure to these stories was the 1979 Amazing Adventures reprints. They were on the stands alongside the then-current Byrne-Claremont issues. What dissonance! I enjoyed (and still do) the Stan and Jack X-Men, especially when the Sub-Mariner joins the evil mutants in issue #6.
The stand-outs for me are Wanda and Pietro. Their struggle for freedom weighed against their perceived debt to the crazed Magneto is one of the great personality conflicts of the Silver Age, IMHO.
Yessss!!! I got the MMW vol.1 for Quicksilver's AND Namor's first X-Men appearances. I read them digitally about 3 years ago, but I didn't have an appreciation for Stan's writing then like I do now. It reads COMPLETELY differently for me now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 21:28:48 GMT -5
It might be because Millar is a complete tool. Just spitballing. Don't mince words, Scott. Give it to me straight .
Seriously, that may be the case. I simply cannot get on board with his take(s) on the Hulk.
I read that from the library a few years back and it was kind of the last straw with Millar for me. The ending and the whole Hulk/Wolvie thing at the end was one of those moments you can never unread/unremember and left me not wanting to read another comic for a good long while. I have not and will not read anything else by Millar. I had a low opinion of him going into that, but that one just killed any desire I had to ever read another panel written by him. -M
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Post by Phil Maurice on Mar 6, 2015 21:38:10 GMT -5
I have not and will not read anything else by Millar. I had a low opinion of him going into that, but that one just killed any desire I had to ever read another panel written by him. It's definitely an aberrant take, vehemently so. It's like he has an Adamantium axe to grind against that gamma-irradiated skin. I'd just like to know why.
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Post by Hoosier X on Mar 6, 2015 22:15:04 GMT -5
I've been making my way through a trade paperback called X-Men vs. Apocalypse: The Ages of Apocalypse.
It, uh, makes me rather glad I haven't read X-Men since ... 1985 or so. I made it a few issues past #200.
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Post by paulie on Mar 7, 2015 13:15:40 GMT -5
I've been making my way through a trade paperback called X-Men vs. Apocalypse: The Ages of Apocalypse. It, uh, makes me rather glad I haven't read X-Men since ... 1985 or so. I made it a few issues past #200. True this. Humorless, dour, relentlessly grim comics starting around 175 or so. And people loved them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 15:49:16 GMT -5
I've been making my way through a trade paperback called X-Men vs. Apocalypse: The Ages of Apocalypse. It, uh, makes me rather glad I haven't read X-Men since ... 1985 or so. I made it a few issues past #200. True this. Humorless, dour, relentlessly grim comics starting around 175 or so. And people loved them. I am home. I truly am HOME.
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Post by cromagnonman on Mar 7, 2015 16:39:18 GMT -5
Been reading Amazing and Spectacular Spider man at the same time. Read #186-201 of Amazing and #1-36 of Spectacular. Have to say Amazing is a much, much better read than Spectacular, which is pretty much by the numbers, with most of the major stuff happening in Amazing.. At least when Bill Mantlo started writing Spectacular he injected some fresh ideas, such as introducing Carrion. I can imagine some people would hate Carrion on here though.
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Post by Hoosier X on Mar 7, 2015 17:36:11 GMT -5
I'm also reading Showcase Presents: Superman Family, Volume 3, and I recently read the story from Lois Lane #11 where Lois crashes in Africa, gets amnesia, finds a leopard pelt and starts wearing it, becomes part of a leopard pack and becomes a feral girl for 9 pages. Gotta love that Schaffenberger art.
And there's one where she turns into a baby.
And, most unlikely of all, there's a story where she's a big Pat Boone fan. THAT I just can't believe.
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Post by The Cheat on Mar 8, 2015 16:44:48 GMT -5
Just finished the Stern Spidey omni. Great stuff. First half was fine, but didn't really grab me. Once the Black Cat and then the Hobgoblin stuff kicks in though, I was hooked. Stern really did strike a great balance between the Spidey & social aspects of Peter's life.
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Post by dbutler69 on Mar 10, 2015 14:28:35 GMT -5
I started re-reading Lee and Kirby's X-Men. I can say I am honestly enjoying it far more than I did the first time around. But something is still slightly off about it. But it's still a lot of fun. But, my god, Professor X is so damn serious. ALLTHETIME. My first exposure to these stories was the 1979 Amazing Adventures reprints. They were on the stands alongside the then-current Byrne-Claremont issues. What dissonance! I enjoyed (and still do) the Stan and Jack X-Men, especially when the Sub-Mariner joins the evil mutants in issue #6.
The stand-outs for me are Wanda and Pietro. Their struggle for freedom weighed against their perceived debt to the crazed Magneto is one of the great personality conflicts of the Silver Age, IMHO.
Me too! That (both my enjoyment of the Amazing Adventures reprints as well as my love of the Claremont/Byrne stuff which made me want to pick up everything mutant related) inspired me to spend a good chunk of my allowance on some of the old back issues. Agreed on Wanda & Pietro, too. They were sure awfully close, though!
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Post by dbutler69 on Mar 10, 2015 14:33:21 GMT -5
I've been making my way through a trade paperback called X-Men vs. Apocalypse: The Ages of Apocalypse. It, uh, makes me rather glad I haven't read X-Men since ... 1985 or so. I made it a few issues past #200. True this. Humorless, dour, relentlessly grim comics starting around 175 or so. And people loved them. I re-read all of my old X-Men a couple of years ago. I hadn't looked at them in over 20 years. Between back issues and reprints, I've got the first 300 issues, and my plan was to read them all. I had to stop after #205. It had stopped being enjoyable for me right around #175, just as you say, and I couldn't go on. I'm sure the switch to John Romita jr had something to do with it, but things really started getting darker around then. Anyway, it just doesn't seem to matter. They keep getting more and more popular. People eat up all that angst and misery, for some reason.
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Post by dbutler69 on Mar 10, 2015 14:38:37 GMT -5
Just finished the Stern Spidey omni. Great stuff. First half was fine, but didn't really grab me. Once the Black Cat and then the Hobgoblin stuff kicks in though, I was hooked. Stern really did strike a great balance between the Spidey & social aspects of Peter's life. I've only got a couple of issues of the Stern Spidey stuff, but I though it was pretty good. He did strike a good balance between Spidey and Peter, and I also thought he did a good job making some of Spidey's villains better characters.
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Post by badwolf on Mar 10, 2015 14:57:07 GMT -5
True this. Humorless, dour, relentlessly grim comics starting around 175 or so. And people loved them. I re-read all of my old X-Men a couple of years ago. I hadn't looked at them in over 20 years. Between back issues and reprints, I've got the first 300 issues, and my plan was to read them all. I had to stop after #205. It had stopped being enjoyable for me right around #175, just as you say, and I couldn't go on. I'm sure the switch to John Romita jr had something to do with it, but things really started getting darker around then. Anyway, it just doesn't seem to matter. They keep getting more and more popular. People eat up all that angst and misery, for some reason. I think the biggest mistake was bringing Rachel back. They had that grim future hanging over them constantly. There were a few good fill-ins though, like that Nightcrawler issue drawn by June Brigman.
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Post by badwolf on Mar 10, 2015 15:02:21 GMT -5
Just finished the Stern Spidey omni. Great stuff. First half was fine, but didn't really grab me. Once the Black Cat and then the Hobgoblin stuff kicks in though, I was hooked. Stern really did strike a great balance between the Spidey & social aspects of Peter's life. I enjoyed this recently myself. My favorite single issue was actually Jan Strnad's "Murder by Spider."
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