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Post by paulie on Mar 12, 2015 12:28:28 GMT -5
I used to have that 80s Namor miniseries and it's not bad, as I recall. Did not like the early Daredevil. Had the first Masterworks but did not keep it. I LOVE Stan Lee's Daredevil. But how much does the character get changed when Stan stops writing him??? I haven't read any other Daredevil (except for some issue that I don't recall the number of) other than silver age/Stan Lee, but I take it the character goes through DRASTIC changes. www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=30598
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Post by spoon on Mar 15, 2015 22:34:40 GMT -5
I'm still reading a run of Outsiders comics. I'm up to Adventures of the Outsiders #37. I'm doing it by storyline chronology rather than publication order. That means I have gotten to The Outsider #1, even though it was published a year before, because all the issues of BATO and non-reprint issue of AOTO take place before The Outsiders.
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Post by dbutler69 on Mar 16, 2015 13:45:28 GMT -5
I'm jumping all over the place. Courtesy of Marvel Unlimited, I'm rotating between Captain America (starting with #148, I'm now up to #162) and The Incredible Hulk (starting with # 177, I'm now up to #192). Courtesy of back issues, I'm reading The New Mutants (I've finished #36), plus Marvel's Star Wars series via the Star Wars Omnibus (I'm up to Star Wars #17). I'm also reading some random back issues I picked up at an LCS - All-Star Squadrons #4 & 5 (maybe my second favorite DC title after Legion of Super-Heroes), Master of Kung Fu #44 & 95, Daredevil #134...oh I'm sure I'm forgetting something, but that's all I've read in the past couple of weeks or so, basically.
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Post by The Captain on Mar 17, 2015 8:40:16 GMT -5
I just started reading Marvel Two-In-One from the beginning, and I'm up through issue #12 at this point. The thing I like about this book is that the Thing doesn't wind up fighting every one of the guest stars in the book, which is what usually wound up happening with Spider-Man in MTU (at least in the issues I've read of that series). The other heroes, for the most part, know Ben and trust him as a member of the FF, so we get to see him actually working with the guests to fight villains and solve problems instead of wasting half an issue trading blows because of a misunderstanding, then joining forces for three panels to defeat the opponent. It just works better for me.
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Post by Confessor on Mar 17, 2015 8:52:08 GMT -5
*Daredevil (still the Stan Lee stuff, and it's great) Count me among those who like Stan Lee's Daredevil. Did not like the early Daredevil. Had the first Masterworks but did not keep it. I enjoy the Stan Lee era Daredevil comics for the most part, but they vary wildly in terms of quality. At their best, they're excellent Silver Age comic books, but at their worst -- like during the boring and seemingly interminable Mike Murdock, evil twin period -- they are almost unreadable. I LOVE Stan Lee's Daredevil. But how much does the character get changed when Stan stops writing him??? I haven't read any other Daredevil (except for some issue that I don't recall the number of) other than silver age/Stan Lee, but I take it the character goes through DRASTIC changes. The Roy Thomas/Gene Colan era, which follows the Stan Lee one, is actually really enjoyable and I probably prefer it to the Stan Lee era. But Daredevil doesn't really click as a comic series until Frank Miller begins writing him in the late '70s, in my view. That's my favourite Daredevil.
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Post by DE Sinclair on Mar 17, 2015 9:22:31 GMT -5
Count me among those who like Stan Lee's Daredevil. Did not like the early Daredevil. Had the first Masterworks but did not keep it. I enjoy the Stan Lee era Daredevil comics for the most part, but they vary wildly in terms of quality. At their best, they're excellent Silver Age comic books, but at their worst -- like during the boring and seemingly interminable Mike Murdock, evil twin period -- they are almost unreadable. I LOVE Stan Lee's Daredevil. But how much does the character get changed when Stan stops writing him??? I haven't read any other Daredevil (except for some issue that I don't recall the number of) other than silver age/Stan Lee, but I take it the character goes through DRASTIC changes. The Roy Thomas/Gene Colan era, which follows the Stan Lee one, is actually really enjoyable and I probably prefer it to the Stan Lee era. But Daredevil doesn't really click as a comic series until Frank Miller begins writing him in the late '70s, in my view. That's my favourite Daredevil. RE: Mike Murdock. That idea should have been dropped down a well and drowned at birth. Annoying and stupid, at best.
RE: Frank Miller. From what I've read of his interviews, etc, he seems to have an enormous ego that I really can't stand. But the Daredevil comics he produced in the latter half of the 100's were definitely the high point for the character.
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Post by DubipR on Mar 17, 2015 9:42:50 GMT -5
Re-read the Death and Return of Superman.
God I miss the Triangle era of Superman. Great stuff.
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Post by dale on Mar 17, 2015 15:03:42 GMT -5
I LOVE Stan Lee's Daredevil. But how much does the character get changed when Stan stops writing him??? I haven't read any other Daredevil (except for some issue that I don't recall the number of) other than silver age/Stan Lee, but I take it the character goes through DRASTIC changes. It's been some years since I read the MMW volume but I think what I didn't like was it was too much soap opera, and not in a relatable way like Peter Parker's personal life. And his villains were lame (The Matador??) The art wasn't too good and I couldn't get into it at all. But I have read one issue from a little later on, when Gene Colan was drawing it (and Lee was still writing), and it was very good. So I'm not sure at which point it improved or changed. My local library has one of the Essentials from that era so if I can get over my aversion to B&W I will check it out. I'm mostly familiar with DD from Miller on, though I've read a couple issues from the Wolfman & Gerber runs.
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Post by dale on Mar 17, 2015 15:08:41 GMT -5
Some of the early Daredevils are among the comics I've recently repurchased via eBay. The Lee/Romita run, especially no.s 15 to 19, are some of my favourite Silver Age Marvels. Yep, DD had some lame and goofy villains. You cite the Matador, but what about Leap Frog???!!!. And of course, the Wally Wood issues are outstanding. The lee/Colan run started out well but got a little tedious for me.
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Post by paulie on Mar 17, 2015 16:00:47 GMT -5
Mike Murdock just had the best taste in sunglasses. The guy was snazzy and jazzy and he is Stan Lee's Hamlet, his Leopold Bloom, his Mrs. Dalloway. Or not...
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Post by Hoosier X on Mar 17, 2015 16:03:53 GMT -5
Mike Murdock is awesome. Not liking Mike Murdock is like not liking Krypto. Or Bat-Mite.
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Post by DE Sinclair on Mar 17, 2015 16:24:18 GMT -5
Mike Murdock is awesome. Not liking Mike Murdock is like not liking Krypto. Or Bat-Mite. I disagree. Krypto and Bat-Mite weren't anyone's lame, any-idiot-could-see-through-it, fake twin. Krypto was awesome. Bat-Mite I could take or leave, except in the World's Funniest one-shot with Mr. Mxy, where he was hilarious.
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Post by badwolf on Mar 17, 2015 16:26:07 GMT -5
What was this Mike Murdock thing all about?
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Post by Hoosier X on Mar 17, 2015 16:51:17 GMT -5
What was this Mike Murdock thing all about? Well, Spider-Man had figured out that Matt was Daredevil, and he sent a letter (I think) to Matt's office, and Foggy and Karen (worried about Matte because he had disappeared) opened the letter and read it.
When they confronted Matt, he claimed he had a twin brother named Mike that nobody knew about, including Foggy, who had known Matt for years and years at this point. So Matt frequently pretended he was Mike for a little over a year (I think it was from Daredevil #25 to #41). As Mike, he dressed flashier and wore really funny hats. He used slang and was very outgoing.
It was totally ridiculous. I loved it! I was still a teenager when I bought those issues (as back issues) in the 1970s. They were $1 at a comic book shop, or if I wanted an issue in mint, they might be $2 or $3. Great art by Gene Colan and some excellent storylines with villains like the Beetle, the Cobra and Mr. Hyde, the Trapster, Dr. Doom, and a villain called, I think, the Executioner who was teamed up with the Ani-Men.
They were stupid, but it was great! In a way that only Silver Age comics could be great and dumb at the same time.
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Post by badwolf on Mar 17, 2015 17:07:25 GMT -5
It sounds like a must-read!
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