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Post by Reptisaurus! on Mar 7, 2016 21:04:47 GMT -5
Well, an author doesn't need to travel abroad in order to sell abroad. And after all, what does any other country have to offer Alan that his beloved Northampton does not? Well, my point is that it seems that if you want to get the level of notoriety and acclaim Gaimen got in the USA, you got to get yourself here. Gaiman's done hundreds of bookstore signings and other promos there, his sole talent didn't get him that status, or so it seems. And even if I love Moore's work and can't wait for Jerusalm to turn up in my mailbox next september, I've been to Northampton and wouldn't trade any places I lived in for that city, unless Moore was my friendly neighbour  Huh. I'm a little worried about that. Neonomicon or whatever was just incredibly bad. Made that Vodoo mini-series look like decent comics by comparison. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 7, 2016 21:14:28 GMT -5
Well, an author doesn't need to travel abroad in order to sell abroad. And after all, what does any other country have to offer Alan that his beloved Northampton does not? Well, my point is that it seems that if you want to get the level of notoriety and acclaim Gaimen got in the USA, you got to get yourself here. Gaiman's done hundreds of bookstore signings and other promos there, his sole talent didn't get him that status, or so it seems. And even if I love Moore's work and can't wait for Jerusalm to turn up in my mailbox next september, I've been to Northampton and wouldn't trade any places I lived in for that city, unless Moore was my friendly neighbour But the fact is...Moore just doesn't care. He doesn't care about fame and he actively doesn't want the fawning adoration of the fans. He doesn't want to do television. He doesn't want to trade in fame. I read an interview he did with George Khoury last night where he talked about his two trips to America. The first seemed pretty okay. But that was when he was relatively new on Swamp Thing and wasn't a household name among comic fans. He hung with creators and generally it was nice. The second was after Swamp Thing had hit and, as I recall, was during Watchmen. And he said everyone wanted a piece of him and it was disturbing and a total turn-off. After that he wasn't interested in doing more that staying in Northampton and writing. Helping with local issues. Occasionally doing interviews that are intended to appear late at night on art shows nobody watches. |
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Post by tingramretro on Mar 8, 2016 2:05:05 GMT -5
Well, an author doesn't need to travel abroad in order to sell abroad. And after all, what does any other country have to offer Alan that his beloved Northampton does not? Well, my point is that it seems that if you want to get the level of notoriety and acclaim Gaimen got in the USA, you got to get yourself here. Gaiman's done hundreds of bookstore signings and other promos there, his sole talent didn't get him that status, or so it seems. And even if I love Moore's work and can't wait for Jerusalm to turn up in my mailbox next september, I've been to Northampton and wouldn't trade any places I lived in for that city, unless Moore was my friendly neighbour Why do you assume that he wants any level of notoriety or acclaim in the USA? Why would he need it? He's already a success in the place where he actually lives. Why would you assume he, or any other non American writer, needs to be successful there in order to feel validated? Though, having been there myself, I do agree with you about Northampton. But then, I wouldn't want to live in your city, either-or any city, these days. It comes down to where you feel at home, I guess. |
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Post by tingramretro on Mar 8, 2016 2:11:50 GMT -5
Well, my point is that it seems that if you want to get the level of notoriety and acclaim Gaimen got in the USA, you got to get yourself here. Gaiman's done hundreds of bookstore signings and other promos there, his sole talent didn't get him that status, or so it seems. And even if I love Moore's work and can't wait for Jerusalm to turn up in my mailbox next september, I've been to Northampton and wouldn't trade any places I lived in for that city, unless Moore was my friendly neighbour But the fact is...Moore just doesn't care. He doesn't care about fame and he actively doesn't want the fawning adoration of the fans. He doesn't want to do television. He doesn't want to trade in fame. I read an interview he did with George Khoury last night where he talked about his two trips to America. The first seemed pretty okay. But that was when he was relatively new on Swamp Thing and wasn't a household name among comic fans. He hung with creators and generally it was nice. The second was after Swamp Thing had hit and, as I recall, was during Watchmen. And he said everyone wanted a piece of him and it was disturbing and a total turn-off. After that he wasn't interested in doing more that staying in Northampton and writing. Helping with local issues. Occasionally doing interviews that are intended to appear late at night on art shows nobody watches. Which is an attitude I find very, very easy to understand. As a wise man once said (well, Graham Crabb) "Alan Moore knows the score". |
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Post by Ozymandias on Mar 8, 2016 3:36:16 GMT -5
I'm of the (lone?) opinion, that two choices are too many. There are fine works for second best, but they're uneven, so I went with the one with less votes. I could also have opted for a standalone story, but the best ones are either part of his Swamp Thing run, or not listed (The Big Chill), so that's a no-no.
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Post by dupersuper on Mar 8, 2016 6:45:53 GMT -5
Well, my point is that it seems that if you want to get the level of notoriety and acclaim Gaimen got in the USA, you got to get yourself here. Gaiman's done hundreds of bookstore signings and other promos there, his sole talent didn't get him that status, or so it seems. And even if I love Moore's work and can't wait for Jerusalm to turn up in my mailbox next september, I've been to Northampton and wouldn't trade any places I lived in for that city, unless Moore was my friendly neighbour But the fact is...Moore just doesn't care. He doesn't care about fame and he actively doesn't want the fawning adoration of the fans. He doesn't want to do television. He doesn't want to trade in fame. I read an interview he did with George Khoury last night where he talked about his two trips to America. The first seemed pretty okay. But that was when he was relatively new on Swamp Thing and wasn't a household name among comic fans. He hung with creators and generally it was nice. The second was after Swamp Thing had hit and, as I recall, was during Watchmen. And he said everyone wanted a piece of him and it was disturbing and a total turn-off. After that he wasn't interested in doing more that staying in Northampton and writing. Helping with local issues. Occasionally doing interviews that are intended to appear late at night on art shows nobody watches. Do you know if he went to the US to tape his Simpsons guest spot, or arranged to do that in Britain? |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Mar 8, 2016 7:17:45 GMT -5
Well, my point is that it seems that if you want to get the level of notoriety and acclaim Gaimen got in the USA, you got to get yourself here. Gaiman's done hundreds of bookstore signings and other promos there, his sole talent didn't get him that status, or so it seems. And even if I love Moore's work and can't wait for Jerusalm to turn up in my mailbox next september, I've been to Northampton and wouldn't trade any places I lived in for that city, unless Moore was my friendly neighbour Why do you assume that he wants any level of notoriety or acclaim in the USA? Why would he need it? He's already a success in the place where he actually lives. Why would you assume he, or any other non American writer, needs to be successful there in order to feel validated? Though, having been there myself, I do agree with you about Northampton. But then, I wouldn't want to live in your city, either-or any city, these days. It comes down to where you feel at home, I guess. What are you on about??? I'm just stating a fact, that to achieve a Gaiman level of US notoriety, you need to get yourself there. I was merely explaining why he wasn't that famous to the post that express some sadness that he's not that recognized outside of the comic book world niche... I personnaly couldn't care less about if my family knew about Moore or not. |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Mar 8, 2016 7:21:19 GMT -5
Well, my point is that it seems that if you want to get the level of notoriety and acclaim Gaimen got in the USA, you got to get yourself here. Gaiman's done hundreds of bookstore signings and other promos there, his sole talent didn't get him that status, or so it seems. And even if I love Moore's work and can't wait for Jerusalm to turn up in my mailbox next september, I've been to Northampton and wouldn't trade any places I lived in for that city, unless Moore was my friendly neighbour Huh. I'm a little worried about that. Neonomicon or whatever was just incredibly bad. Made that Vodoo mini-series look like decent comics by comparison. For all its shortcomings, I though Neonomicon was a million time more interesting than Voodoo. At least it tried something when Voodoo doesn't even know what it's about and IMHO is Alan Moore's worst comic book series ever. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 8, 2016 10:20:05 GMT -5
But the fact is...Moore just doesn't care. He doesn't care about fame and he actively doesn't want the fawning adoration of the fans. He doesn't want to do television. He doesn't want to trade in fame. I read an interview he did with George Khoury last night where he talked about his two trips to America. The first seemed pretty okay. But that was when he was relatively new on Swamp Thing and wasn't a household name among comic fans. He hung with creators and generally it was nice. The second was after Swamp Thing had hit and, as I recall, was during Watchmen. And he said everyone wanted a piece of him and it was disturbing and a total turn-off. After that he wasn't interested in doing more that staying in Northampton and writing. Helping with local issues. Occasionally doing interviews that are intended to appear late at night on art shows nobody watches. Do you know if he went to the US to tape his Simpsons guest spot, or arranged to do that in Britain? To my knowledge he's only been to the United States the two times. So he almost certainly did it in Britain. |
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Post by String on Mar 8, 2016 11:06:25 GMT -5
I can only vote for what all of his that I've read.
So, Watchmen is first. Every time I read it, I find something new.
Second goes to Tom Strong, an amazing work and character with fabulous Sprouse art.
I enjoy Moore's work for the most part though sometimes I get the feeling that I'm not smart enough to truly 'get' it. Promethea comes to mind.
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Post by hondobrode on Mar 8, 2016 11:19:28 GMT -5
I voted Swamp Thing and Watchmen as strongest.
If I was voting personal favorites, it would be Swamp Thing and Top 10
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Mar 8, 2016 19:05:37 GMT -5
Not a super popular opinion, but "This is Information" from the 9/11 tribute book.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 9:15:23 GMT -5
Watchmen obviously, but as a Doctor Who fan I still remember his Doctor Who Weekly back-up strips (with David Lloyd) from the early 80's fondly. So they got a vote too!
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Mar 12, 2016 14:49:23 GMT -5
I voted for strongest, not necessarly favorite. Watchmen may be my favorite, but the strongest is IMHO indeed Promethea and Lost Girls. I felt like specifying since a lot of this thread seems to have gone the "favorite" way...  |
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Post by berkley on Mar 12, 2016 17:12:58 GMT -5
It's almost impossible to choose, but I finally broke down and voted for From Hell and Promethea. It feels crazy not to choose Watchmen or Miracle/Marvelman or V for Vendetta, or Swamp Thing, but I do feel Moore has grown as a writer since those earlier works.
A case could be made that those earlier works were more ground-breaking, that they have inspired more writers, spawned more imitators than the two I chose from his later period. But that influence hasn't always been for the better: Moore's imitators have more often than not been attracted by the most superficial aspects of his earlier work and haven't been inspired to break their own new ground in their own direction, choosing instead to keep going round and round on the superhero treadmill (excuse the botched metaphor).
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