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Post by Reptisaurus! on Mar 29, 2016 20:13:29 GMT -5
My only encounter with Tom Strong was in the pages of Promethea. Where did that episode fall in the character's history - early, middle, late? The world ended immediately after that story, IIRC, so very late.
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Post by dupersuper on Mar 29, 2016 21:44:43 GMT -5
In regards to quality 90s runs, would Hourman make the list? Always heard good things about it. I really liked it.
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Post by Jesse on Aug 22, 2017 13:57:57 GMT -5
Not that I consider it his strongest work but I do think it's a worthy mention Moore wrote an 12 issue series called Providence published by Avatar Press. I haven't read his Neonomicon or The Courtyard yet but they are all part of the H. P. Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 22, 2017 14:02:09 GMT -5
Not that I consider it his strongest work but I do think it's a worthy mention Moore wrote an 12 issue series called Providence published by Avatar Press. I haven't read his Neonomicon or The Courtyard yet but they are all part of the H. P. Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos. I haven't read Providence yet, but Neonomicon is one of the few Moore books that I actively dislike.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Aug 22, 2017 14:02:39 GMT -5
I was just today checking to see if the Library had this yet.
Neonomicon was my least favorite Alan Moore work but I heard good things about this one.
Also wondering if Moore's 1,000,000,008 page novel Jerusalem is worth it.
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Post by rberman on Apr 18, 2018 8:55:49 GMT -5
I just finished reading V for Vendetta for the first time and couldn't find a thread dedicated to it, so I decided to drop my thoughts here. The best things about it were David Lloyd's art and Alan Moore's symbolism. Especially in the first of the three "books" comprising the story, Moore found so many interesting uses for the letter V. It's the Roman numeral "5." It's prominent in various important Latin phrases. When circumscribed, it's sort of an inverted "A for Anarchy" symbol. It's the first letter in many words which are chapter titles in the series, as well as turning Churchill's famous "V for Victory" on its head. And so on.
The story could be a bit hard to follow at times since I was expected to recognize various people just from their appearance, and it can be difficult to differentiate a bunch of unshaven men and women from each other in small panels, especially when (1) they all wear mostly similar business attire, and (2) they change clothes according to circumstance. Also, the naturalistic dialogue meant that people weren't constantly referring to each other by name.
One opens an Alan Moore book wondering how long until the first prostitute appears, and in this case the answer is "Page One." Evey was a clever name for our POV character, calling to mind not only "everywoman" but also "Eve" and of course "V." Maybe "E.V." as well, though I can't think of a meaning for that.
Three elements of the plot bugged me the most. First was the extended segment in Book Two in which V gaslights Evey to "free her from the prison of herself." A less generous way to describe it from a modern perspective is that Evey is Patty Hearst: kidnapped, held in isolation, and brainwashed by a terrorist until she's sufficiently Stockholm Syndromed. From that point on, I find it hard to see any of her actions as really representing who she is. She's fallen under the sway of a person who, according to other characters in the story who should know, has a superhuman-ly magnetic personality. Which brings us to...
The second problematic element is V himself. The whole point of the Guy Fawkes mask is not just protective anonymity, but the notion that his personhood doesn't matter; it could be anybody under the mask. He's not a person, he claims; he's an idea. He's the Dread Pirate Roberts, a mantle which can be passed on. This aspect of V for Vendetta is what cyber-anarchists like Anonymous have picked up on, carrying out both hacker feats and flash mob protests while using similar masks.
The problem with this "I'm nobody and everybody" notion within Moore's story is that V's actions hinge upon the particulars of his personal background for both his motivation and his means to carry it out. He's a Captain America for Britain, the object of a military experiment that turned him into a sort of twisted paragon. He can jump onto a moving train. He can overcome people with the force of his personality. He has Batman-like agility, swooping in and out of the shadows. He's a demolitions expert, an infiltration agent who wires multiple high-security buildings with explosives, a computer genius who can hack into the central government computer and all of the nation's security cameras -- and this in the pre-internet world imagined in the 1980s, mind you. When he dies, someone can replace his identity, but not his extraordinary skill set.
The third problem with the story is thematic. With fascists in charge of England (no longer Great Britain in this story), our instincts are to cheer for the solitary outlaw who stands against that government. V expounds to Evey about the necessity of a purgative period of anarchy to reset society. It's unclear what's supposed to replace it. The sort of democracy that existed prior to the worldwide cataclysm? Anarchy itself is a terrible form of society, as evidenced by the fact that every work of literature or art extolling anarchy was composed in a society functioning under some other form of government. Millennia of experience have taught humanity that large masses of people experience maximum efficiency and satisfaction working within well-functioning heirarchies, which is why every sufficiently large institution from the US Federal Government to Apple Computers to the Anglican Church to Greenpeace has a pyramidal org chart, not just random people doing what they want at the moment. The story is set up with only two sides oppressive government and oppressed people. But in reality there would be many factions, gangs within the people that prey on the weak, and the toppling of the government would be the gangs' moment to bring their own heirarchically optimized violence to bear, leading to coalescing dictatorships on scales small and ultimately large. This is why "Evil government" stories always end with the downfall of the evil government (a feel-good moment) rather than the gut-churning reality of what comes afterward.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Apr 18, 2018 11:37:41 GMT -5
I will start off by saying this is my personal favorite of Moore's work ... Three elements of the plot bugged me the most. First was the extended segment in Book Two in which V gaslights Evey to "free her from the prison of herself." A less generous way to describe it from a modern perspective is that Evey is Patty Hearst: kidnapped, held in isolation, and brainwashed by a terrorist until she's sufficiently Stockholm Syndromed. From that point on, I find it hard to see any of her actions as really representing who she is. She's fallen under the sway of a person who, according to other characters in the story who should know, has a superhuman-ly magnetic personality. Just a reminder that in the first episode V is clearly identified as the villain of the piece. He is not meant to be always though of as admirable. I see this as one of the greatest aspects of the work ... the fact that we see what happens after the evil fascists are deposed ... and it's chaos. Everyone is demonstrably worse off as a result of V's actions. The future may be hopeful, but it's a big unknown what sort of society Evie will create.
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Post by chromehead on May 1, 2018 17:51:27 GMT -5
Well, V For Vendetta & Watchmen both blew my young mind wide open.
I've yet to read Miracleman, but I bought all the remastered digital trades recently. Hopefully Marvel didn't over-sanitize it too much.
His Superman stories are interesting and strong (read them in the collected "The DC Universe Stories Of Alan Moore" which also contains the Green Lantern short, "Mogo Doesn't Socialize").
"Killing Joke" I used to like a lot, but it has lost some of its luster. I really like Moore's Preston Payne Clayface story in the Batman Annual, where Payne is hiding out in a department store replete with a mannequin wife that he talks to.
I haven't read a lot other Moore, though I did read Neonomicon. Pretty out there stuff.
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Post by bdk91939 on May 23, 2018 9:49:17 GMT -5
I'd go with his Swamp Thing run.
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