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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 10:17:09 GMT -5
So yeah, the Beatles are pretty important to me. I have seen Paul in concert, but it wasn't a great concert, and George is my favorite. All Things Must Pass is the greatest post-Beatles Beatles album of all time. I agree with you here Shax, that All Things Must Pass is the greatest post-Beatles album period. (...) they really are the best band of all time. Can't disagree with that! The sheer creativity of the band when they were at their best is flabbergasting. The word "genius" is very often overused, but in this case it is fully warranted. 100% Correct Raider! ... More like Pure Genius in my book! |
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Post by Confessor on Mar 7, 2016 10:41:11 GMT -5
So yeah, the Beatles are pretty important to me. I have seen Paul in concert, but it wasn't a great concert, and George is my favorite. All Things Must Pass is the greatest post-Beatles Beatles album of all time. I agree with you here Shax, that All Things Must Pass is the greatest post-Beatles album period. is certainly the best George Harrison solo album and maybe it is indeed the best solo Beatles album period (although that interminable and totally throw-away "Apple Jam" on record three of the three-album set spoils things somewhat). But I'm just gonna throw these other two albums out there as possible contenders to the title of best solo album by a former Beatle: Plastic Ono Band by John Lennon (1970) and Ram by Paul McCartney (1971). I think the former album, while it suffers from some unsympathetic Phil Spector production, features the strongest set of songs that Lennon ever assembled after the break-up of The Beatles, while the latter shows off McCartney's melodic gift and talent for producing meticulously arranged pop songs impeccably. Parts of Ram are so good that it almost sounds like you're listening to Abbey Road, Volume 2. There, I said it!  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 10:44:02 GMT -5
I agree with you here Shax, that All Things Must Pass is the greatest post-Beatles album period. is certainly the best George Harrison solo album and maybe it is indeed the best solo Beatles album period (although that interminable and totally throw-away "Apple Jam" on record three of the three-album set spoils things somewhat). But I'm just gonna throw these other two albums out there as possible contenders to the title of best solo album by a former Beatle: Plastic Ono Band by John Lennon (1970) and Ram by Paul McCartney (1971). ... thanks for the additional info ... Confessor! |
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Post by Farrar on Mar 7, 2016 11:22:26 GMT -5
My introduction to the group was via the Beatles cartoons--OMG I loved those! To this day I remember poor Ringo as a ghost in the episode that featured "I'm Looking Through You." And some years later a friend won tickets to a George Harrison concert (not the Bangladesh concert) so I've seen him, I love his My Sweet Lord and What Is Life.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Mar 7, 2016 12:32:16 GMT -5
I still explain to my students who roll their eyes over The Beatles that the band created BOTH rap (Come Together) and heavy metal (Helter Skelter). As far as the roots of Hip Hop/Rap goes, I would point out the earlier Bob Dylan Subterranean Homesick Blues or even It's All Right Ma (I'm Only Bleeding). The Beatles and John Lennon were huge Bob Dylan fans and I wouldn't be surprised that Dylan influenced John Lennon's penchant for symbolic/ nonsense lyrics like Come Together and Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds. |
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Post by shaxper on Mar 7, 2016 12:52:28 GMT -5
I still explain to my students who roll their eyes over The Beatles that the band created BOTH rap (Come Together) and heavy metal (Helter Skelter). As far as the roots of Hip Hop/Rap goes, I would point out the earlier Bob Dylan Subterranean Homesick Blues Even this song had far earlier influences, but I don't see it as being as closely aligned with rap/hip-hop as Come Together. It's possible it influenced Come Together, but I'm prone to believe it was more likely just the drugs. Not familiar with this one. Lennon, in particular, would have been looking at Dylan's lyrics more than his sound. Yes, I can definitely see that. |
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Post by Confessor on Mar 7, 2016 12:53:34 GMT -5
I still explain to my students who roll their eyes over The Beatles that the band created BOTH rap (Come Together) and heavy metal (Helter Skelter). As far as the roots of Hip Hop/Rap goes, I would point out the earlier Bob Dylan Subterranean Homesick Blues or even It's All Right Ma (I'm Only Bleeding). The Beatles and John Lennon were huge Bob Dylan fans and I wouldn't be surprised that Dylan influenced John Lennon's penchant for symbolic/ nonsense lyrics like Come Together and Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds. I totally agree with the suggestion that "Subterranean Homesick Blues" was an important early example of proto-rapping, but you can also hear the roots of hip hop in the drums and tape loops of the Beatles' "Tomorrow Never Knows". What's more, the Beatles invented sampling (i.e. using another recording as an integral part of a new composition, rather than just background sound effects), which is a mainstay of hip hop music, when they used snatches of a BBC radio play of Shakespeare's King Lear in their song "I Am the Walrus". I defy anyone to give me an earlier example of sampling in popular music than "I Am the Walrus", which was recorded in September 1967. |
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Post by shaxper on Mar 7, 2016 12:56:37 GMT -5
I defy anyone to give me an earlier example of sampling in popular music than "I Am the Walrus", which was recorded in September 1967. I'd NEVER considered this until now. I've always tended to think of Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon and The Who's Baba O'Riley as being the trailblazers with sampling.  |
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Post by Confessor on Mar 7, 2016 12:56:38 GMT -5
As far as the roots of Hip Hop/Rap goes, I would point out the earlier Bob Dylan Subterranean Homesick Blues Even this song had far earlier influences, but I don't see it as being as closely aligned with rap/hip-hop as Come Together. It's possible it influenced Come Together, but I'm prone to believe it was more likely just the drugs. Interestingly, both "Subterranean Homesick Blues" and Come Together" were heavily influenced by Chuck Berry's songwriting. Berry even threatened to sue Lennon over the lines, "Here come old flat-top, he come moving up slowly", which he thought were too similar to "here come a flat-top, he was moving up with me" from Berry's earlier song, "You Can't Catch Me". |
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Post by Confessor on Mar 7, 2016 13:02:41 GMT -5
Also, those interested in Beatles' trivia may like to know that Lennon originally wrote "Come Together" as a potential campaign song for Timothy Leary, when he was planning to run against Ronald Reagan for the job of governor of California. Ultimately, it was never used for that purpose (and I don't think Leary ever even ran for the post), which was why the Beatles included it on Abbey Road instead.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Mar 7, 2016 13:30:34 GMT -5
The Beatles, due to their world wide fame and influence, certainly attracted some rather strange "incidents and claims" both during and after their existence. I'll post some examples. For instance
THE BEATLES OF EARTH-4
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Post by shaxper on Mar 7, 2016 14:12:30 GMT -5
The Beatles, due to their world wide fame and influence, certainly attracted some rather strange "incidents and claims" both during and after their existence. I'll post some examples. For instance THE BEATLES OF EARTH-4
I'm at work right now, but I have GOT to give this a listen when I get home tonight. |
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Post by Phil Maurice on Mar 7, 2016 16:12:35 GMT -5
The Beatles' American "debut" on the Ed Sullivan Show in February, 1964 created a sensation, but it was not the first or even the second time the band had been featured on American television. On January 3, 1964, Jack Parr devoted a segment to the near-hysteria the Beatles were causing among audiences in their native England. Parr had been the second host of The Tonight Show and, after ceding the position to Johnny Carson, Parr moved to prime-time, hosting a Friday night show.
Parr opined that the Beatles were "the biggest thing in England in 25 years," and expressed interest in them as a "sociological phenomenon."
Beatles on Jack Parr
Even earlier, on November 18, 1963, the Beatles were the subject of a segment on NBC's Huntley-Brinkley Report. The group's impressive album sales and the fact that they wrote and performed original music are highlighted, but as with most early reporting on the Beatles, the chief focus is on the screaming, frenzied crowds nearly losing their minds in the presence of the four lads from Liverpool.
Beatles on Huntley-Brinkley
By the time they appeared on Sullivan, American audiences had at least some idea of who and what the Beatles were, even if the "why" of it remained elusive. The band may even have inspired the creation of Marvel Comics villain The Beetle, who first appeared in Strange Tales #123 (Aug 1964).
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Post by DE Sinclair on Mar 7, 2016 16:25:51 GMT -5
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Mar 7, 2016 21:01:59 GMT -5
I still explain to my students who roll their eyes over The Beatles that the band created BOTH rap (Come Together) and heavy metal (Helter Skelter). As far as the roots of Hip Hop/Rap goes, I would point out the earlier Bob Dylan Subterranean Homesick Blues or even It's All Right Ma (I'm Only Bleeding). The Beatles and John Lennon were huge Bob Dylan fans and I wouldn't be surprised that Dylan influenced John Lennon's penchant for symbolic/ nonsense lyrics like Come Together and Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds. (A) Bob Dylan did not invent talking blues, and (B) talking blues had very, very little influence on rap. Although that might be a slightly better argument than the Beatles invented rap. Still over 99.9% false, but your closer to the truth than Shax. I care a lot about 20th century popular music, and I've been a paid pop music writer on and off for years, but I'm pretty much indifferent to the Beatles. Elvis, too - and by extension the traditional Rolling Stone/Greil Marcus narrative of the development of pop music. BUT.. when you are playing radio tag (flip through the radio dial and identify the musical artist) they are very hard to identify. Not to brag, but I am a combination of Shakespeare, Batman, Jesus and Buhdda at this game. Nobody can beat me. Few have ever come close. But there are many Beatles songs I don't know, and they tend to sound different enough that they are hard to pinpoint. I guess that is a strength of the band. |
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