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Post by earl on Mar 14, 2016 21:57:32 GMT -5
I think most of the board seems to be fans of older super hero comics. To me the classic Marvel universe is the 60s to late 80s books. I can concede there have been good Marvel comics and some in the classic style after the late 80s, but it's pretty obvious that the company came off the tracks at some point in the 90s and the shared line cohesion seems to have been lost. Obviously the business recovered, but to me I look at the later comics as almost commentary on the old stuff, whose comics have become frozen in amber.
What are some of the stories and runs that do seem like continuations of artist/writer careers that do fit with the earlier comics?
It seems that you could put quite a bit of the later Starlin, Perez and some Byrne into those categories. I'd figure Peter David's Hulk run which bridged the period probably would fit. I'd think that some of the later Conway/Buscema Spider-man or DeFalco/Frenz Thor perhaps would work, but I haven't read those yet.
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Post by tingramretro on Mar 15, 2016 2:47:49 GMT -5
Peter David's Hulk and X-Factor, Gruenwald's Quasar and the original run of Thunderbolts.
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 15, 2016 6:20:35 GMT -5
I find the All New All Different Avengers to be a refreshing throw back to it's earlier days. The set up is simple and they don't have a cast of dozens on their roster.
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Post by Batflunkie on Mar 15, 2016 10:46:05 GMT -5
I think most of the board seems to be fans of older super hero comics I'll read anything, cape or not, so long as it's decently written. And speaking of Peter David, he's the lone spark of creativity left at Marvel. |
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Post by dupersuper on Mar 15, 2016 10:59:08 GMT -5
Using the definition of classic on this board, that's only a 16 year margin.
Since Peter Davids Hulk was mentioned, I'll mention his X-Factor.
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Post by dupersuper on Mar 15, 2016 10:59:44 GMT -5
I think most of the board seems to be fans of older super hero comics I'll read anything, cape or not, so long as it's decently written. And speaking of Peter David, he's the lone spark of creativity left at Marvel. Really? No love for Mark Waid, Charles Soule, G Willow Wilson, Dan Slott, Johnathan Hickman...who ever writes Squirrel Girl... |
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Post by Batflunkie on Mar 15, 2016 11:10:07 GMT -5
I'll read anything, cape or not, so long as it's decently written. And speaking of Peter David, he's the lone spark of creativity left at Marvel. Really? No love for Mark Waid, Charles Soule, G Willow Wilson, Dan Slott, Johnathan Hickman...who ever writes Squirrel Girl... Slott and Bendis represent everything wrong with Marvel right now, even though Bendis was at some point in time a fairly good writer (Ultimate Spider-Man up to Peter's death) Charles Soule's take on the Inhumans got me interested in a group of characters that, otherwise, I wouldn't be and even incorporated some elements of Jim Lee's WildC.A.T.S. into the mix. But that was when he was writing the Marvel NOW! version, these days, there's too much for me to keep up with I have no real opinion on Waid, general opinion on the internet seems to be fairly negative, but from what little I've read of his stuff, he's decent |
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Post by dupersuper on Mar 15, 2016 11:24:48 GMT -5
Really? No love for Mark Waid, Charles Soule, G Willow Wilson, Dan Slott, Johnathan Hickman...who ever writes Squirrel Girl... Slott and Bendis represent everything wrong with Marvel right now, even though Bendis was at some point in time a fairly good writer (Ultimate Spider-Man up to Peter's death) Charles Soule's take on the Inhumans got me interested in a group of characters that, otherwise, I wouldn't be and even incorporated some elements of Jim Lee's WildC.A.T.S. into the mix. But that was when he was writing the Marvel NOW! version, these days, there's too much for me to keep up with I have no real opinion on Waid, general opinion on the internet seems to be fairly negative, but from what little I've read of his stuff, he's decent 1) Maybe Slott's not the guy I was thinking of: isn't he writing Silver Surfer? 2) what horrible Waid-bashing internet sites are you on? 3) I just remembered Ellis - and also Gaiman if you count MarvelMan - are also at Marvel right now |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Mar 15, 2016 11:29:01 GMT -5
Classic can mean a few different things, substance or style.
Classic marvel comics always were at core social commentaries IMHO, so a lot of marvel movie world type of comics really lack that classic substance to me.
Milligan's X-Force run with Allred was wonderfull, and was as much a social pamphlet as those early X-Men stories were.
The Captain america mini (Truth) and run by Robert Morales were fine and beautiful additions to the mythos as well as exposing lacking perspectives in the foundations.
I feel the Jenkins/Lee Inhumans Maxi series was really great and stood on its own as a geo political essay of sorts.
The Milligan/Ribic Namor series also was original in the way it turned Namor into a very real bogeyman (or?), which is what he would be to humans.
What I seem to be lacking in most recent marvel comics actually is the regular humans. It just seems every human figure of historic value has gained some superower qualities of sorts at some point, and the stories become more focussed on the interactions between different kinds of superhumans than between those and regular humans. I confess I'm not reading that many Marvel comics these days (Dr Strange), but I still passionatly follow the news sites and reports that cover those, so I might be wrong about that, but it's what I currently felt with the exposure I had.
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Post by tingramretro on Mar 15, 2016 11:34:52 GMT -5
I think most of the board seems to be fans of older super hero comics I'll read anything, cape or not, so long as it's decently written. And speaking of Peter David, he's the lone spark of creativity left at Marvel. But he's not the writer of Ms Marvel... |
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Post by Batflunkie on Mar 15, 2016 11:37:35 GMT -5
3) I just remembered Ennis - and also Gaiman if you count MarvelMan - are also at Marvel right now Ennis I like, same with Ellis. I don't have much of a firm opinion on Gaiman as I've just never been all that interested in anything he's written and the only problem that I do have with him is that his version of Sandman is considered the "definitive" one |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 15, 2016 12:28:40 GMT -5
Things I have really liked and would absolutely recommend(in no particular order):
1) Slott's Superior Spider-man
2) Ms. Marvel (all the various restarts)
3) Waid's All New All Different Avengers
4) Aaron's Pre-Jane Foster Thor
5) Gillen's Young Avengers (though definitely not for everyone)
6) Fraction's Hawkeye
7) Post Civil War Hawkeye/Mockingbird Minis
8) Pre- Secret Wars Spidey 2099
9) Early Wolverine and the X-Men
Going further back:
1) Nicenza/Bagley on New Warriors
2) Busiek's Avengers and THunderbolts
3) Kaminski's Iron Man (the run just before Heroes Reborn)
4) Waid's Captain America (same)
5) Busiek's Iron Man (post-HR)
6) Bendis' Ultimate Spider-man
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Post by dupersuper on Mar 15, 2016 12:55:20 GMT -5
3) I just remembered Ennis - and also Gaiman if you count MarvelMan - are also at Marvel right now Ennis I like, same with Ellis. Whoops: fixed. |
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Post by tingramretro on Mar 15, 2016 14:16:43 GMT -5
Really? No love for Mark Waid, Charles Soule, G Willow Wilson, Dan Slott, Johnathan Hickman...who ever writes Squirrel Girl... Slott and Bendis represent everything wrong with Marvel right now, even though Bendis was at some point in time a fairly good writer (Ultimate Spider-Man up to Peter's death) Charles Soule's take on the Inhumans got me interested in a group of characters that, otherwise, I wouldn't be and even incorporated some elements of Jim Lee's WildC.A.T.S. into the mix. But that was when he was writing the Marvel NOW! version, these days, there's too much for me to keep up with I have no real opinion on Waid, general opinion on the internet seems to be fairly negative, but from what little I've read of his stuff, he's decent What's wrong with Dan Slott? I've really enjoyed pretty much everything of his that I've ever read, particularly his Spidey stuff. I think he's probably one of the best writers Marvel have at the moment, and has been for about the last ten or twelve years! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2016 15:38:24 GMT -5
Some Marvel stuff post 1990 worth checking out... as a group the Avengers related Heroes Return line was very good (Waid/Garney Cap, Busiek/Perez Avengers, Busiek/Chen Iron Man, Jugerns/Romita Jr. Thor), but a lot of people point to that, so a baker's dozen of other stuff that might get overlooked by folks here... 1. Roger Stern & Mike Manley's Monster Hunters in Marvel Universe #4-7 (1998)  2. Christopher Priest's Black Panther (1998)  3. Alan Davis' Clandestine (1994)  4. Karl Kesel's Daredevil (with Cary Nord and Gene Colan) 1997  5. Bendis/Maleev Daredevil (2001)  6. Inhumans by Paul Jenkins and Jae Lee (1998)  7. Hellstorm by Warren Ellis and Leonardo Manco 1994  and 8. Druid by the same team (1995)  9. The Marvels Project by Ed Brubaker and Steve Epting (2009)  10. Nightside by Robert Weinberg and Tom Derenick (2001)  11. Bloodstone by Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning (2001)  12. Dr. Strange by Dan Quinn, Warren Ellis and J.M. DeMatteis (1993-1996)  13. Silver Surfer by J.M.DeMatteis (Ron Garney, Tom Grummett, John J. Muth and others on art) (1997-1998)  I could keep going, but there's a start... There was a lot o'crap in the post-90s to be sure, but a lot of good stuff too. It's Sturgeon's Law in action, you could get lost in a sea of bad comics, but there were some mighty fine comics (even from Marvel at their nadir) if you knew where to look. -M |
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