Confessor
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Post by Confessor on Apr 25, 2016 19:00:34 GMT -5
I am totally confused by the continuity of the X-Men movies at this point. Glad I'm not the only one. |
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Post by sudeepshrest on Apr 25, 2016 23:14:29 GMT -5
I am totally confused by the continuity of the X-Men movies at this point. Well looks like this X-men movie takes place at the same time around X-men origins: Wolverine, that much we can be sure of. But in X-men Origins at the end Charles Xavier was already bald and so old. :'D Fox, no matter how much they try can't fix the continuity I guess. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 2:09:29 GMT -5
X-Men Origins Wolverine (or "the really crappy Wolverine 1", for short) has been eradicated, at least the post-1970s parts, by the events of DOFP. Quite how Wolverine ends up with adamantium again after DOFP when Mystique had him rather than Stryker, is anyone's guess.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 11:32:38 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 7:13:15 GMT -5
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on May 10, 2016 7:48:09 GMT -5
With BvS, Captain CW, this will be the third superhero "team" movie in a row for mainstream audiences, and none of those appear to be real masterpieces. That might give some steam to the ongoing theory of superhero fatigue that might mercyfully loom around the corner.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 9:34:47 GMT -5
I think you're optimistic about "superhero fatigue" - I think there's a "bad movie fatigue" - CA:CW has had largely rave reviews.
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Post by Dizzy D on May 10, 2016 9:38:28 GMT -5
Deadpool just a few months ago was a large success, Civil War seems to be doing fine.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 10, 2016 15:42:30 GMT -5
As long as people go see them, they'll be making those films... Hey, there's a new Pirates of the Caribbean in preparation!  |
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Post by dupersuper on May 10, 2016 20:29:46 GMT -5
I think you're optimistic about "superhero fatigue" I'd call it pessimism. I want this golden age to last forever... |
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Post by Pharozonk on May 10, 2016 21:04:56 GMT -5
I think you're optimistic about "superhero fatigue" I'd call it pessimism. I want this golden age to last forever... On the other end of the spectrum, I want to see it burn to the ground.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 21:11:45 GMT -5
I'd call it pessimism. I want this golden age to last forever... On the other end of the spectrum, I want to see it burn to the ground. May I ask why? Even if you don't like it, it ending or crashing and burning will not cause comics to revert to the style of the 80s or earlier-the crash of the 70s didn't bring back the Silver or Golden age, it just led to more forward changes and people losing their jobs and the industry losing some very talented people to other markets. I know you prefer older comics from an era before you were born, but the failure of the current market won't bring that back, that ship has sailed. All failure will do is bring more misery and hardship to more people. Something different would arise form the ashes, but it won't be something looking back-the political, cultural and economic realities that shaped the era you like are gone and whatever comes next will be shaped even more by things you rail about (everything form social media to selfie culture) than the current one. -M |
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Post by Pharozonk on May 10, 2016 21:18:16 GMT -5
On the other end of the spectrum, I want to see it burn to the ground. May I ask why? Even if you don't like it, it ending or crashing and burning will not cause comics to revert to the style of the 80s or earlier-the crash of the 70s didn't bring back the Silver or Golden age, it just led to more forward changes and people losing their jobs and the industry losing some very talented people to other markets. I know you prefer older comics from an era before you were born, but the failure of the current market won't bring that back, that ship has sailed. All failure will do is bring more misery and hardship to more people. Something different would arise form the ashes, but it won't be something looking back-the political, cultural and economic realities that shaped the era you like are gone and whatever comes next will be shaped even more by things you rail about (everything form social media to selfie culture) than the current one. -M I suppose that my initial statement does have a more negative connotation to it than I originally intended. Do I'm more annoyed by the increasingly tight grasp that Disney and Warner Bros have as parent companies over their respective comic companies. Why bother making sure that your comics are telling a good story each month when the movies make 10 times in an opening weekend at a theater than what a comic shop makes on new issues for that entire month? Do I want the continuity and character histories I like to come back? Of course! However, I also recognize that the loss of those same things is symptomatic of the larger stranglehold that the media companies have over the comic companies themselves. After all, why bother if Superman is being written in-character in your new movie if you'll make millions of dollars on the brand name alone? Do I have a solution to that problem? No, and even if I did, it would never be implemented with how ubiquitous comic book movies are within our pop culture as it is. Despite that, I still lament what we've lost in the process. |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 21:25:09 GMT -5
May I ask why? Even if you don't like it, it ending or crashing and burning will not cause comics to revert to the style of the 80s or earlier-the crash of the 70s didn't bring back the Silver or Golden age, it just led to more forward changes and people losing their jobs and the industry losing some very talented people to other markets. I know you prefer older comics from an era before you were born, but the failure of the current market won't bring that back, that ship has sailed. All failure will do is bring more misery and hardship to more people. Something different would arise form the ashes, but it won't be something looking back-the political, cultural and economic realities that shaped the era you like are gone and whatever comes next will be shaped even more by things you rail about (everything form social media to selfie culture) than the current one. -M I suppose that my initial statement does have a more negative connotation to it than I originally intended. Do I'm more annoyed by the increasingly tight grasp that Disney and Warner Bros have as parent companies over their respective comic companies. Why bother making sure that your comics are telling a good story each month when the movies make 10 times in an opening weekend at a theater than what a comic shop makes on new issues for that entire month? Do I want the continuity and character histories I like to come back? Of course! However, I also recognize that the loss of those same things is symptomatic of the larger stranglehold that the media companies have over the comic companies themselves. After all, why bother if Superman is being written in-character in your new movie if you'll make millions of dollars on the brand name alone? Do I have a solution to that problem? No, and even if I did, it would never be implemented with how ubiquitous comic book movies are within our pop culture as it is. Despite that, I still lament what we've lost in the process. The comic culture you lament was lost long before Singer's X-Men ever hit the big screen in 2000. The rise of pop culture super-hero movies did not cause the fall of comics, they did a good job self-destructing long before Disney got in on the act-the bankruptcy of Marvel, which led to the selling of the movie rights to X-Men and Spidey to Fox/Sony to keep the company solvent was a result of that self-destruction of the comic culture you lament, so it was a fait accompli before the superhero movie rose to prominence in mass/pop culture. It's funy though, toip rated TV shows like Adventures of Superman, top rated radio shows like the same pre-TV, money making movie serials in the 40s, the ubiquitous of super-heroes on Saturday morning television all co-existed with the comic culture you loved, but the movie studios doing the exact same thing those things had done suddenly ruined it for everybody? I don't think so. -M |
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Post by Pharozonk on May 11, 2016 14:12:27 GMT -5
I suppose that my initial statement does have a more negative connotation to it than I originally intended. Do I'm more annoyed by the increasingly tight grasp that Disney and Warner Bros have as parent companies over their respective comic companies. Why bother making sure that your comics are telling a good story each month when the movies make 10 times in an opening weekend at a theater than what a comic shop makes on new issues for that entire month? Do I want the continuity and character histories I like to come back? Of course! However, I also recognize that the loss of those same things is symptomatic of the larger stranglehold that the media companies have over the comic companies themselves. After all, why bother if Superman is being written in-character in your new movie if you'll make millions of dollars on the brand name alone? Do I have a solution to that problem? No, and even if I did, it would never be implemented with how ubiquitous comic book movies are within our pop culture as it is. Despite that, I still lament what we've lost in the process. The comic culture you lament was lost long before Singer's X-Men ever hit the big screen in 2000. The rise of pop culture super-hero movies did not cause the fall of comics, they did a good job self-destructing long before Disney got in on the act-the bankruptcy of Marvel, which led to the selling of the movie rights to X-Men and Spidey to Fox/Sony to keep the company solvent was a result of that self-destruction of the comic culture you lament, so it was a fait accompli before the superhero movie rose to prominence in mass/pop culture. It's funy though, toip rated TV shows like Adventures of Superman, top rated radio shows like the same pre-TV, money making movie serials in the 40s, the ubiquitous of super-heroes on Saturday morning television all co-existed with the comic culture you loved, but the movie studios doing the exact same thing those things had done suddenly ruined it for everybody? I don't think so. -M I would argue that the dynamic and degree of synchronization between comics and third party media has changed dramatically though, even within the last decade. For instance, even if Jimmy Olsen was brought into the comics from the Superman radio show, Superman was still the same character he was the previous month. The continuity and core elements of the character were still the same. |
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