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Post by Bronze Age Brian on Apr 7, 2016 12:45:02 GMT -5
“ Grendel’s existence is lamentable. He burned with a potency that rarely emerges in society… He is the demon of society’s mediocrity.” - Matt Wagner This is a series of reviews that will focus solely on the Hunter Rose version of the character known as Grendel. Grendel/Hunter Rose FAQ Who is Hunter Rose?
A famous author and expert fencer who moonlighted as the ruthless assassin Grendel for fun and excitement. Which Grendel comics will this be covering?
Hunter Rose appears in the following: Comico Primer #2 (1983)Grendel (Mini-series) #1-3 (1983)Mage: The Hero Discovered #6-15 (1985) aka Devil By The DeedGrendel: Devil's Vagary (1987)Batman Grendel I (1993)Grendel: Black, White & Red #1-4 (1998) Grendel: Red, White & Black #1-4 (2002) Grendel: Behold The Devil #0-9 (2007) CBLDF Presents Liberty Annual 2011 #1 - Sympathy From The Devil Grendel vs. The Shadow #1-3 (2014) Weren't there other Grendels? Why just Hunter Rose?
Yes there are several other Grendels. After Rose's death, many others would become new incarnations of Grendel, but I don't plan to review them at this time. Hunter Rose is the original Grendel and my favorite iteration of the character. Who are the other Grendels, and where do they appear?
Stacy Palumbo: Devil Child #1-2 Christine Spar, daughter of Stacy Palumbo (and Rose's adopted daughter): Grendel (1st series) #1-12 - aka Devil's Legacy Brian Li Sung: Grendel (1st series) #13-15 aka The Devil Inside Eppy Thatcher: Grendel (1st series) #24-33 aka God and the Devil Orion Assante: Grendel (1st series) #34-40 aka Devil's Reign Grendel Prime: Grendel War Child #1-10, Devil Quest, Batman Grendel II, Grendel Past Prime Petrus Christus: Grendel Tales - The Devil's Hammer #1-3 Jonah: Grendel Tales - The Devil In Our Midst #1-5 Drago: Grendel Tales - Devils and Deaths #1-2 Goran: Grendel Tales - Devil's Choices #1-4 The Grendel Gang - Grendel Tales - The Devil May Care #1-5 Aaron Crow: Grendel Tales - The Devil's Apprentice #1-3 Other: Captain Wiggins tells tales about Hunter Rose's Grendel: Grendel (1st series) #16-19 The Incubation Years: Grendel (1st series) #20-23 The Skull of Hunter Rose/Grendel Clans/Four Grendels: Grendel Tales - Four Devils, One Hell #1-6 Confused yet? That is one heck of a lot of Grendels coming at you. I may have missed one or two, but there you have it. Now on to the Hunter Rose era reviews!
Warning: Grendel comics are violent in nature and while these reviews won't be too image heavy, they will reveal some mature content and therefore caution is required. Any questions or comments are appreciated. Thank you and enjoy.
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Post by Bronze Age Brian on Apr 7, 2016 12:45:14 GMT -5
Comico Primer #2 (Jan, 1983) Synopsis: The story begins in a 10-page feature in the second issue of Comico Primer. Hunter Rose calls up his arch-nemesis Argent and tells him that he intends to kill City Council Chairman Everett Christie that evening at a Gala event. Argent vows to stop Grendel as he hangs up the phone. Sure enough, later that evening Grendel appears, and corners Christie in his study. With Grendel's deadly, two-pronged electric fork pointed precariously at Christie's throat, he reveals that Christie is in fact the head of the largest prostitution ring in the city, one that has been using underage girls. Christie promises to stop with the young girls but that is not enough for Grendel as he thrusts his fork straight into Christie's throat. Grendel takes Christie's files, and as he leaves the scene of the crime with his associates, the werewolf Argent appears. Argent uses his brute strength to dispatch Grendel's associates, and the two endure a brief skirmish. Argent takes some shots at Grendel, but Grendel's agility proves to be highly skilled as he is able to stab the fork into Argent's back and escapes.
Comments: Hunter Rose is swimming in his own ego, so overconfident in his plight that he brazenly calls up his arch-nemesis to inform him of a crime he intends to commit, and then simply commits it. We get the first look at Grendel's iconic mask. When he kills Christie, he is only wearing the mask along with a suit and tie, which exudes assertiveness (with a dash of laziness) in that he won't need his full costume because his target will simply be dead. This is the first of many times we'll see Grendel this way. We are also introduced to Grendel's weapon the electric fork, which protrudes out of Rose's walking stick with the push of a button. This is a unique weapon that Grendel uses with deadly precision. Although Argent shows up late to the party, he seems fulfilled by the end of his encounter with Grendel. The fact that he was able to take out a few of Grendel's thugs pleases him. Argent is indeed a werewolf, an unusual choice for a hero in this story. There's an interesting duality happening in the relationship between these two, one that will be revealed later on. A lot of questions are yet to be answered. I enjoyed Matt Wagner's early manga-styled artwork, and although quite amateur at this point, he is able to make the story intriguing with satisfying action sequences. His writing still needed some work, and there were a few misspelled words, etc. But this is where it all began. More to come in Grendel #1 soon.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Apr 7, 2016 13:09:26 GMT -5
Grendal Warchild is my ultimate feel-good comic, the one I turn to when I just need solid entertainement I already know, like Indiana Jones or Star Wars for some. I have many Grendel comics in my collections, starting with the old ongoing which I never finished, so I'll be very interested in this thread, thank you sir.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2016 15:25:02 GMT -5
Love me some Grendel!
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Post by shaxper on Apr 7, 2016 20:38:57 GMT -5
I have many Grendel comics in my collections, starting with the old ongoing which I never finished I can't finish that one either. It's just...not good. I think I got like fifteen issues in and just couldn't go any further.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Apr 7, 2016 20:49:18 GMT -5
I have many Grendel comics in my collections, starting with the old ongoing which I never finished I can't finish that one either. It's just...not good. I think I got like fifteen issues in and just couldn't go any further. Well, for starters, one must admit the art is at best functionnal...
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Post by shaxper on Apr 7, 2016 21:00:08 GMT -5
I can't finish that one either. It's just...not good. I think I got like fifteen issues in and just couldn't go any further. Well, for starters, one must admit the art is at best functionnal... As is the characterization, as is the plot. Don't get me wrong. I like a lot of the concept behind that series -- both the sense of legacy and willingness to say "f*** it all" to everything that came before. It was a bold and respectable move to leave Hunter Rose in the past, as well as to do some other pretty shocking stuff a year into the run (I won't spoil anything here), but it just wasn't enjoyable.
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Post by Bronze Age Brian on Apr 7, 2016 21:22:47 GMT -5
I positively LOVE the first two Grendel runs (even if Wagner didn't love the first one himself), but wouldn't this constitute a Classic Comics section review thread? Hey Shaxper - sure go ahead and move it over to Classic Comics Discussion if you can. I was just thinking that the bulk of the Hunter Rose comics were more modern, but his roots are most definitely classic. I already removed the blurb about why I put it in this section of the forums. Also, I believe you guys were referring to the 2nd series with Grendel's daughter Christine Spar. And I agree, it just wasn't up to par.
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Post by shaxper on Apr 7, 2016 21:24:24 GMT -5
Also, I believe you guys were referring to the 2nd series with Grendel's daughter Christine Spar. And I agree, it just wasn't up to par. Second Grendel series, first ongoing Grendel series, third Grendel run, second Grendel. Confusing stuff.
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Post by Bronze Age Brian on Apr 7, 2016 21:30:58 GMT -5
Also, I believe you guys were referring to the 2nd series with Grendel's daughter Christine Spar. And I agree, it just wasn't up to par. Second Grendel series, first ongoing Grendel series, third Grendel run, second Grendel. Confusing stuff. You're right, very confusing lol. I will update the first post with a Grendel FAQ in attempt to help people understand the differences tomorrow. It's important to know.
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Post by shaxper on Apr 7, 2016 21:34:20 GMT -5
I will update the first post with a Grendel FAQ in attempt to help people understand the differences tomorrow. It's important to know. Not a bad idea! Also, Christine was Stacy's daughter, making her the non-biological granddaughter of Hunter.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Apr 7, 2016 21:42:59 GMT -5
Well, I've purchased the first 27 issues, and indeed couldn't get passed the first couple of issues. But I now realize that WarChild consist of issue #41-50, and I love this run to death. So I guess that the previous runs build up to that one, right? I just got super curious about reading those now! this wikipedia page does a pretty good job explaining the chronology. All the Grendel Tales issues I've read have been very entertaining BTW.
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Post by Dizzy D on Apr 8, 2016 3:02:59 GMT -5
Cross posting from the Grendel thread I made on the Penny-Arcade forums (which got 2 bloody replies. I'm not bitter):
With Orion's sword the Hunter arose and conquered the world with Fury and Grace.
In Him was I born In Him shall I die In Him shall I lose name, station and face.
Death over weakness Death over despair Death over personal gain.
Death over dishonor Death over undeath Death over fire with no flame.
All this I pledge thee Oh Grendel, great Khan To serve and protect over death's endless tide,
With your word in my heart Your eyes in my face And your tooth in my hand by my side.
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First attempt at a thread here, inspired by a question in the question's thread, so please stick with me.
Grendel is comic book written and (initially) drawn by Matt Wagner. Later artists include Arnold and Jacob Pander, Bernie Mirault, John K. Snyder III, Jay Geldhof, Tim Sale, Patrick McEown and for the Black, White & Red and Red, White & Black anthology series nearly any indy comic book artist you can think off. First published by Comico as a solo-series and later a backup to Wagner's Mage series (which is also pretty good. Check it out). Comico ran into financial problems though and Wagner moved Grendel to Dark Horse, where it has remained to this day. Over the years Grendel has constantly switched protagonists and style, though the more recent works have gone back to the original Grendel, Hunter Rose.
So who's Grendel? Wrong question, better question is "What's Grendel", but we get to that later.
The man generally credited as the first Grendel, is a boy called Eddie. A boy with extraordinary intelligence and physical abilities, who found nothing but boredom on his path. At an international fencing tournament, he meets the female trainer Jocasta, who is the only one to recognize his talents. Eddie and Jocasta have a brief relationship, which ends as Jocasta dies of disease. Filled with rage at the world, Eddie reinvents himself as Hunter Rose, an author and as Grendel, assassin and criminal mastermind. The Hunter Rose stories are mostly crime noire stories, focusing on the struggle between Grendel and Argent, a wolfman who works for the police with Rose's ward Stacy Palumbo caught in the middle. These stories are told in the original Comico series, the "Devil by Deed comic" and the later series "Behold the Devil" and the antologies "Black, White & Red" and "Red, White & Black". Oh and a crossover with Batman, which is actually one of the few intercompanty crossovers that is in continuity.
The second Grendel is Christine Spar, Hunter Rose's "granddaughter". Set in the near future, Christine takes on the mantle of Grendel to find her disappeared son. Where the Hunter Rose stories are mostly crime, Christine's story, "Devil's Legacy", is more personal, the story of a mother consumed by grief and rage.
The third Grendel is Brian Li Sung, Christine's former lover and here the story, "The Devil Inside", turns more psychological; the story is told from Brian's perspective as he is slowly taken over by the persona of Grendel himself. We find out that Grendel is not just an identity but a sentient force, a demon of rage and violence.
After Brian, Grendel incubates for a few years, there are a few short stories that show Grendel becoming a figure of myth and how his actions have influenced society.
The next incarnation of Grendel will be idiot-savant Eppy Thatcher (no relation to a certain Iron Lady) in "God and the Devil". Set in the far future, the world has been dominated by a corrupted Church and Grendel becomes the harlequin-like figure that inspires the resistance against the church.
Its' follow-up, "Devil's Reign", tells the story of Orion Assante, the Grendel Khan, who takes control away from the Church and unites the world. The story is told as a documentary or a history book. Wagner finishes the Grendel's story with "War Child" and it's sequel "Devil Quest", focusing on Grendel Prime, a mysterious warrior that kidnaps and protects Orion's heir, Jupiter to foster him as the new Grendel Khan.
During this period, there are many Grendels. Large groups of warriors wear the markings of Grendel, sworn to the Grendel Khan (see the oath above) and each follow the Khan's teachings in their own way. Some are warriors with a strict code of honour, some are solitary hunters, others just violent thugs. Some of their stories are told by different writers and artists in the "Grendel Tales"-series.
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Overall all stories are focused on violence, not in an "Look at Captain Ultra * punch Dr. Nefarious' ** head off in 265 colours!"-way, but more the various forms of violence, how they influence society and how the influence the people using it. Don't expect happiness here, a circle of neverending doom has trapped us all.
Most of these stories have recently been collected in some nice hardbacks by Dark Horse including some previously hard to find stories like the Incubation Years (and that's why I really need to pick those up one day soon. Till then the old singles must suffice).
*= Oh god, there must be a Captain Ultra. (google: I was right. Don't sue me, Marvel, I didn't mean that guy) **= And probably a Dr. Nefarious as well. It's pretty hard to think of a generic hero and villain name that hasn't been used already.
Tried to keep it image-low for those of us with slower links. All suggestions for improvement are welcome and will *not* be greeted with a metal fork to the eyes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 4:55:25 GMT -5
Well, for starters, one must admit the art is at best functionnal... As is the characterization, as is the plot. Don't get me wrong. I like a lot of the concept behind that series -- both the sense of legacy and willingness to say "f*** it all" to everything that came before. It was a bold and respectable move to leave Hunter Rose in the past, as well as to do some other pretty shocking stuff a year into the run (I won't spoil anything here), but it just wasn't enjoyable. I had a similar response - I absolutely loved Mage, but Grendel left me completely cold, and at the time I actually I resented Wagner for concentrating so much on Grendel when he could have been working on what I felt was the far superior Mage.
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Post by byronlomax on Apr 8, 2016 6:19:43 GMT -5
I read through the Dark Horse Grendel omnibi last year, and for the most part really enjoyed them, though it's worth noting they didn't include the very first Hunter Rose series. I have to admit though, while I did enjoy the various experimental styles Wagner used throughout the series, I was a bit relieved when I got to "God and the Devil" and, a little later on, "War Child" - stories written more like regular comics, thank goodness!
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