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Post by rom on Jun 23, 2017 9:32:03 GMT -5
Thanks for the detailed Babylon 5 review. My local library has some of the series on DVD, so I'll check them out - starting with the first season. I definitely want to watch this in order. It appears the entire series is on DVD - which is great.
When the show was on TV back in the '90's, I either never had cable TV or never had a TV at all. After I graduated college in '95, I moved to another state for a new job & left my crappy CRT TV behind. I didn't have a TV for years, so completely missed out on this show when it was originally on.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 24, 2017 13:52:59 GMT -5
Thanks for the detailed Babylon 5 review. My local library has some of the series on DVD, so I'll check them out - starting with the first season. I definitely want to watch this in order. It appears the entire series is on DVD - which is great. When the show was on TV back in the '90's, I either never had cable TV or never had a TV at all. After I graduated college in '95, I moved to another state for a new job & left my crappy CRT TV behind. I didn't have a TV for years, so completely missed out on this show when it was originally on. Wasn't hard to miss, even if you had a tv and cable; Warner did Drakh-all to promote the show. It was put out through Warner's syndication network (which was just a syndication package), with little fanfare. They didn't merchandise the show at all (well, hardly) and JMS basically went to DC Comics, himself, to cut a deal for a comic tie-in. They got more love when they went to TNT, where they did the tie-in movies and re-ran the series, for people to catch up. For the first three seasons, it was far more popular in the UK than the US. I worked for Barnes & Noble and we got UK sci0fi entertainment magazines 9SFX and Starburst), which had great coverage and SFX even put out an episode guide. They did release some of Christopher Franke's soundtracks, on CD. Loved his heroic season 5 title theme. The Season 5 intro is a nice trailer for the previous 4 seasons and gives you a great visual feel for the series, plus snippets of key dialogue. My favorite "F@#$ Yeah!!!!" moment from the series.... And my favorite quiet, yet powerful statement about the diversity of the human race...
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 25, 2017 10:45:18 GMT -5
We need a Babylon 5 thread! That show was brilliant.
It's a real pity that the uncertainty regarding its renewal for season 5 forced the accelerated resolutions of its main plot lines in season 4. JMS really did a good job in saving what he could, but I can imagine that his initial vision would have been even better.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 25, 2017 22:41:05 GMT -5
We need a Babylon 5 thread! That show was brilliant. It's a real pity that the uncertainty regarding its renewal for season 5 forced the accelerated resolutions of its main plot lines in season 4. JMS really did a good job in saving what he could, but I can imagine that his initial vision would have been even better. Ask and ye shall receive! I was already thinking about it and decided to go ahead, after your post.
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Post by Jesse on Nov 24, 2017 14:25:23 GMT -5
I watched the first episode of Galactica 1980 last week as it aired on MeTV and thought it was decent. I was surprised by the time jump but glad to see Lorne Greene reprise his role as Adama. The futuresque flying motorcycle scene was actually pretty cool.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 24, 2017 18:11:51 GMT -5
I watched the first episode of Galactica 1980 last week as it aired on MeTV and thought it was decent. I was surprised by the time jump but glad to see Lorne Greene reprise his role as Adama. The futuresque flying motorcycle scene was actually pretty cool. Do you mean the pilot, where they time travel to WW2, or the start of the series proper? The pilot is mostly good, with a few quibbles. Richard Lynch helps it greatly by adding a new villain. Unfortunately, he doesn't return. At the time, I thought the show was okay; but, way below the standard of the original (well, of the early episodes). I tried watching some of it again and my opinion was much worse. To me, the budget restrictions kind of put a tether on the imagination of the writers and they were stuck with a lot of very generic plots, with a few tech gimmicks. That's a problem of a lot of sci-fi of the era. Doing sci-fi on the cheap, without really good scripts , just doesn't work. If you have really great characters and charismatic leads, you might get by, also; but, that doesn't describe Kent McCord and Barry Van Dyke. i liked McCord in Adam-12; but, that wasn't a show that challenged him as an actor. Galactica seemed way out of his comfort zone, though he was good in Farscape. Van Dyke isn't his father and was supposed to kind of take over the Starbuck role; but, didn't have Dirk Benedict's charm or that roguish twinkle in his eye that helped forgive some hokey dialogue or not so great props. I like some of the Galactica 1980 episodes; but, it's hit-to-miss ratio is a lot worse than the original. It felt a lot more like other short-lived sci-fi tv series of the era, like Logan's Run and The Phoenix, rather than the epic saga that the original did (to a point, which lessened over time). I still think the original BSG would have worked better as a series of movies and specials, with a definite end in mind, with each one progressing the story to a conclusion. the best episodes are the ones that do that.
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Post by Jesse on Nov 24, 2017 18:35:49 GMT -5
Do you mean the pilot, where they time travel to WW2 I wasn't aware that existed. I will have to track it down. or the start of the series proper? I think this is what I watched. In it a grown up version of Boxey and some other guy team up with a reporter and a nuclear scientist played by the dad from the Brady Bunch. In fact I thought the little genius kid looked quite a bit like Cousin Oliver.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 24, 2017 23:27:45 GMT -5
Do you mean the pilot, where they time travel to WW2 I wasn't aware that existed. I will have to track it down. or the start of the series proper? I think this is what I watched. In it a grown up version of Boxey and some other guy team up with a reporter and a nuclear scientist played by the dad from the Brady Bunch. In fact I thought the little genius kid looked quite a bit like Cousin Oliver. That's the pilot three-parter. We meet the adult Boxey, aka Troy (McCord) and Dillon (Van Dyke). Boomer is now a colonel and runs the Galactica bridge, while Adama still commands. James Patrick Stuart is the child genius Dr Zee, whose advances have allowed the galactica to finally reach earth, and who finds the secret to time travel and creates the hover bikes. However, the Earth's primitive state (relative to the Galactica) prevents it from being a help to the fleet and makes it something they must protect. They send Troy and Dillon down to Earth to make contact and introduce technology to help nudge Earth along. A rogue warrior/scientist named Commander Xavier (Richard Lynch) decides that going into Earth's past would advance the planet more quickly and takes a viper back to WW2, where he is aiding the Nazis with the V-2. Robert Reed was the scientist who Troy and Dillon contact, but who is also contacted by Xavier, who finds his book about nazi Germany and decides that's the place to start. Dillon, Troy and a reporter, Jamie Hamilton, go back and stop him from changing history. That three-parter was intriguing, as was a two-part episode where a Cylon ship crashes on earth, destroying all but one Centurian. he tries to get to a radio station to broadcast a report to his base star, about the presence of humans. Then, there is the last episode, The return of Starbuck, where we learned what happened to him, as he is marooned on a derelict planet, with a crashed Cylon ship. he repairs a Centurian and tries to reprogram it, for companionship (in a twist on Hell in the Pacific and Enemy Mine). They work to build a ship out of the remains of their two destroyed vessels, until they meet a strange human woman, who is pregnant. The baby is born and Starbuck launches him into space on an improvised ship, after the Cylon sacrifices himself to stop three other Centurians from killing Starbuck and the woman & child. The child's ship finds the fleet and we learn he is Dr Zee. Apart from those, the rest were pretty bland, with Colonial children on Earth (where they are stronger and more agile, due to weaker gravity) and attempts to improve agriculture, via special seeds.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2017 23:56:17 GMT -5
Was that radio station episode the onat had Wolfman Jack as a guest star? That's pretty much all I remember from that show, as I only got to see a handful of episodes when it was on.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 25, 2017 11:08:16 GMT -5
Was that radio station episode the onat had Wolfman Jack as a guest star? That's pretty much all I remember from that show, as I only got to see a handful of episodes when it was on. -M Yup; "The Night the Cylons Landed." James Patrick Stuart as Dr Zee Flying motorcycles, escaping rear screen-projected bikers. The awesomely evil Richard Lynch (never saw him play a good guy).
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Post by String on Nov 25, 2017 11:10:37 GMT -5
Buck Rogers ended up being more of the sequel to BG that fans wanted, although in a different vein. Still, it would have been nice if Glen Larson had brought the two together. There's a great fan trailer, "United," which has the Galactica finding Earth and sending out a patrol, who are intercepted by the Earth Directorate. They then prepare to face the Cylons, with Baltar. Really whets your appetite for a full-on movie. Wow, that sounds great! Although back then, I'm not sure of whom I had the bigger crush with: Sheba Or Wilma
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 25, 2017 12:17:41 GMT -5
Buck Rogers ended up being more of the sequel to BG that fans wanted, although in a different vein. Still, it would have been nice if Glen Larson had brought the two together. There's a great fan trailer, "United," which has the Galactica finding Earth and sending out a patrol, who are intercepted by the Earth Directorate. They then prepare to face the Cylons, with Baltar. Really whets your appetite for a full-on movie. Wow, that sounds great! Although back then, I'm not sure of whom I had the bigger crush with: Sheba Or Wilma You know, I don't recall Wilma in a green disco uniform. I recall a red, a blue one (think that was Marla Landers, though) and Purple; but, not that color. I went for Wilma. She was leggier and a bit more mischievous, which was sexier (to me). Sheba was a little too goody goody. I like Ann Lockhart, but, I would have prefered Jane Seymour to have survived.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 27, 2017 12:32:32 GMT -5
I never could see Sheba as replacing Serina. In my romantic teenage heart, I thought Apollo should have mourned forever.
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Post by rberman on Nov 28, 2017 12:56:15 GMT -5
When I watched the original Battlestar Galactica pilot a couple of years ago, I was struck by the stew that Larson concocted:
1) Star Wars was obviously a big component; the population was hungry for more space opera while awaiting The Empire Strikes Back. Also, the lived-in aesthetic rather than gleaming white Buck Rogers corridors.
2) Ancient Astronauts (e.g. "Chariots of the Gods") were big in the 70s, and the opening credit monologue plays up that angle strongly. Some elements come from Greek mythology, and some from Mormonism.
3) It's been noted in this thread that many episodes played out like Westerns, which had been the go-to action setting for TV shows in the 50s. The casting of Lorne Green played into this as well. Star Trek, on the other hand, had been more likely to employ sci-fi writers (instead of writers from the westerns) and thus to explore sci-fi scenarios.
4) The plot of the pilot was, "After centuries of conflict, the two sides are about to sign a peace treaty. But is it just a ruse preceding a sneak attack?" (Spoilers: Yes, it was.) This element seems ripped from the headlines. Lowering of Israel-Arabic tensions were a major focus of United States diplomatic effort in the mid 1970s in the wake of the military actions of the Six Day War (1967) and the Yom Kippur War (1973). It's quite easy to read the pilot episode as a commentary on the Middle Eastern conflict of the day, with the Twelve Colonies of Mankind standing in for Israel. This thread wasn't really followed in the series as a whole. But the 2004 Battlestar Galactica series made religious conflict a key feature of its story line.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 30, 2017 0:39:21 GMT -5
When I watched the original Battlestar Galactica pilot a couple of years ago, I was struck by the stew that Larson concocted: 1) Star Wars was obviously a big component; the population was hungry for more space opera while awaiting The Empire Strikes Back. Also, the lived-in aesthetic rather than gleaming white Buck Rogers corridors. 2) Ancient Astronauts (e.g. "Chariots of the Gods") were big in the 70s, and the opening credit monologue plays up that angle strongly. Some elements come from Greek mythology, and some from Mormonism. 3) It's been noted in this thread that many episodes played out like Westerns, which had been the go-to action setting for TV shows in the 50s. The casting of Lorne Green played into this as well. Star Trek, on the other hand, had been more likely to employ sci-fi writers (instead of writers from the westerns) and thus to explore sci-fi scenarios. 4) The plot of the pilot was, "After centuries of conflict, the two sides are about to sign a peace treaty. But is it just a ruse preceding a sneak attack?" (Spoilers: Yes, it was.) This element seems ripped from the headlines. Lowering of Israel-Arabic tensions were a major focus of United States diplomatic effort in the mid 1970s in the wake of the military actions of the Six Day War (1967) and the Yom Kippur War (1973). It's quite easy to read the pilot episode as a commentary on the Middle Eastern conflict of the day, with the Twelve Colonies of Mankind standing in for Israel. This thread wasn't really followed in the series as a whole. But the 2004 Battlestar Galactica series made religious conflict a key feature of its story line. The irony of point 4 is that the broadcast of the pilot movie was interrupted by the signing of the Camp David Accords!
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