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Post by shaxper on Jun 14, 2016 8:59:56 GMT -5
No, but we are talking about moments that had a significant impact upon US comics. How can we not talk about the British invasion of the 1980s, as well as the moments that defined those creators and their works back in the UK? That's part of the fun of this thread, as I see it -- was the critical moment Neil Gaiman winning the Hugo, DC offering Gaiman the Sandman project, or Black Orchid before it, or was it when he began work on Marvelman back in the UK? Gaiman couldn't have had the impact upon the industry that he did without each of these moments occurring, so which is the moment of most critical import in regard to Gaiman's contribution to comicdom? Gaiman never worked on Marvelman in the UK. He took over the strip in 1990 when it was being published in the US by Eclipse as Miracleman (though he did handle the character in a short story in Total Eclipse in 1988). Thanks for the correction! |
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Post by shaxper on Jun 14, 2016 9:00:53 GMT -5
Everyone knows Spidey and MJ are one of the ultimate couples in the superhero world but it never would have happened without this.    I read the story for the first time 2 years ago and even though I was not alive when it came out, it still held shock value. Seeing a superhero fail like that is something I feel I have not found in any other comic/story. One has to wonder what would have happened if Stan Lee wasn't so preoccupied at the time (I think the story goes he was heading on a business trip when he was asked if it was okay to kill her off, to which he agreed) what Spidey would be like today. Without this moment, maybe Spider-Man would have fallen into a world of predictability where in the hero has it easy and usually wins (he likely would have married Gwen). This huge tragedy still haunts him to the day and is an engraved reminder that sometimes the hero cannot save everyone. This was absolutely the first one to cross my mind when I was thinking up this topic. It defined The Bronze Age for me. |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Jun 14, 2016 9:56:27 GMT -5
If we're solely talking about US comics No, but we are talking about moments that had a significant impact upon US comics. How can we not talk about the British invasion of the 1980s, as well as the moments that defined those creators and their works back in the UK? That's part of the fun of this thread, as I see it -- was the critical moment Neil Gaiman winning the Hugo, DC offering Gaiman the Sandman project, or Black Orchid before it, or was it when he began work on Marvelman back in the UK? Gaiman couldn't have had the impact upon the industry that he did without each of these moments occurring, so which is the moment of most critical import in regard to Gaiman's contribution to comicdom? I went with the Hugo award win because of the impact it had on non-comic book audiences. It's one of those moments that made comics legitimate when they still mostly were dismissed as kids throwaway entertainment/ |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 10:05:28 GMT -5
Spider-Man unmasking by the Green Goblin in #39 and #40.Spider-Man UnmaskingJust read the link for a full understanding and I consider it a real moment in Marvel Comic History.  Amazing Spider-Man #40
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Post by MDG on Jun 14, 2016 10:44:05 GMT -5
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Post by String on Jun 14, 2016 11:02:08 GMT -5
No, but we are talking about moments that had a significant impact upon US comics. How can we not talk about the British invasion of the 1980s, as well as the moments that defined those creators and their works back in the UK? That's part of the fun of this thread, as I see it -- was the critical moment Neil Gaiman winning the Hugo, DC offering Gaiman the Sandman project, or Black Orchid before it, or was it when he began work on Marvelman back in the UK? Gaiman couldn't have had the impact upon the industry that he did without each of these moments occurring, so which is the moment of most critical import in regard to Gaiman's contribution to comicdom? I went with the Hugo award win because of the impact it had on non-comic book audiences. It's one of those moments that made comics legitimate when they still mostly were dismissed as kids throwaway entertainment/ Afterwards though, didn't they change the rules so no comic could ever be nominated again? I would say the death of Jean Grey. It was an emotional dramatic moment on par with the death of Gwen but the repercussions, consequences, reverberations, and yes, even the retcon or two resulting from it still influence and impact not only the X-franchise to this day but also Marvel in general. Plus, her resurrection is among the first moments of a major character returning from the dead. |
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Post by Farrar on Jun 14, 2016 12:21:43 GMT -5
Interesting topic, Shax. Btw in your OP, you mean the Vision, right, and not Ultron?  I'm enjoying reading the posts/commentary by everyone. Here's a moment/panel (from JLA #21) that I think fits this thread's theme:  I like that DC creative team was aware of (and here underscored) the importance of this moment: IMO it shows the DC creative team was tuned into the readership and the readers' knowledge of/fondness for comics history. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 14, 2016 12:42:47 GMT -5
No, but we are talking about moments that had a significant impact upon US comics. How can we not talk about the British invasion of the 1980s, as well as the moments that defined those creators and their works back in the UK? That's part of the fun of this thread, as I see it -- was the critical moment Neil Gaiman winning the Hugo, DC offering Gaiman the Sandman project, or Black Orchid before it, or was it when he began work on Marvelman back in the UK? Gaiman couldn't have had the impact upon the industry that he did without each of these moments occurring, so which is the moment of most critical import in regard to Gaiman's contribution to comicdom? I went with the Hugo award win because of the impact it had on non-comic book audiences. It's one of those moments that made comics legitimate when they still mostly were dismissed as kids throwaway entertainment/ Gaiman won the World Fantasy Award for Best Short Story for Sandman #19, not the Hugo. It actually had a profound effect on the awards, because the rules were changed to keep it from happening again. Gaiman did later win Hugo's for American Gods, Coraline, A Study in Emerald, and The Graveyard Book and declined a nomination for a Hugo for Anansi Boys. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Jun 14, 2016 17:16:01 GMT -5
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Post by sabongero on Jun 14, 2016 17:34:36 GMT -5
 Galactus's first appearance and speaks for the first time. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Jun 14, 2016 18:21:35 GMT -5
Galactus's first appearance and speaks for the first time. Wearing his Christmas outfit, I see. |
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Post by sabongero on Jun 14, 2016 18:50:20 GMT -5
You're right Hal.
It's a good thing they changed Galactus's color schemes.
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Post by sabongero on Jun 14, 2016 18:52:16 GMT -5
 Thor #337, Beta Ray Bill grabs the cane and taps it TAK and KA-BOOM, Beta Ray Thor is born !!! |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 14, 2016 20:18:51 GMT -5
Galactus's first appearance and speaks for the first time. In many ways this IS a very important moment in Marvel history. I think this is when Marvel expanded themselves into space and other worlds to stay. |
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Post by shaxper on Jun 14, 2016 21:30:32 GMT -5
In many ways this IS a very important moment in Marvel history. I think this is when Marvel expanded themselves into space and other worlds to stay. They had the Skrulls showing up as early as issue #2, and The Watcher in #13, but this was the first story that really approached the cosmos with a sense of humility -- there were things out there beyond the capabilities or even understandings of the Marvel heroes, and that was huge. |
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