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Post by shaxper on Jun 19, 2016 22:38:35 GMT -5
On Mother's Day, I began a thread inviting folks to share memories that involved their mothers and comics, or to discuss the role their mothers played in their love of comics. Seemed appropriate to do the same for fathers today.
Whereas I had a lot to say about my mom's involvement in my love of comics, my dad had none. However, he was born in 1939, was dark/broody/mysterious, and parked his car in an underground garage beneath our home. That's right -- my father may have been Batman.
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Post by batlaw on Jun 19, 2016 23:18:41 GMT -5
My Father couldn't have had any less interest in comics. He was just pleased I was engaged in a safe hobby / pastime and not out running around and or doing drugs. perhaps my prized comic possession is my greatest frank Miller batman hardcover. Despite rarely ever having a dime between us at the time, my Dad somehow managed to buy this for my birthday after seeing me drool over it at the shop. Still don't know how he pulled it off. I managed to get is signed by Miller not long after too. He also let me drag him to my first con w/o complaint. My Dad also maintained getting my weekly comics while I was away in the Army and regularly mailed me some.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 19, 2016 23:25:17 GMT -5
My Dad wasn't interested in my comics at all. He would mention that he read comics as a kid. Not regularly, but my Grandpa worked for the Union Pacific and he'd bring home comics that were left on the passenger trains. He wasn't really opposed to me reading them though. He was, however, a big fan of The Twilight Zone and The Outer Limits. So we would watch them whenever there were reruns on.
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Post by hondobrode on Jun 20, 2016 0:40:24 GMT -5
Pop didn't read the superheroes at all, but preferred the Conans, Prince Valiants, Tarzans, Cerebus.
When I discovered Elfquest I told him it was better than Conan but he later told me I was wrong.
The first comic he bought me was a Tarzan Family that he read that night.
He would buy me and my two younger brothers comics and then we'd work around the farm to pay him back. He kept track of everything in a little black book.
He also liked the movies we'd go to but was never a fan of anything, and mostly would deny liking anything, out of fear it would somehow make him look weak I guess.
The single franchise he liked more than any other would probably either by James Bond or Indiana Jones.
We have this stone rooks at the end of our sidewalk / driveway where we used to have a beer together and talk about stuff. He'd give me life lessons. Those were some of my best memories of him.
More than anything, the man taught all of us how to work. We didn't have to farm, but he loved doing it and working with us.
Amazingly, since I was a boy, he's stopped drinking, smoking, womanizing, and since they've retired, he and my mom are happier than I've ever known them.
He's a pretty amazing guy despite some rough edges here and there.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 20, 2016 7:51:02 GMT -5
My dad was an Asterix fan and later enjoyed Achille Talon. I think he had fun reading Les dingodossiers and Lucky Luke as well (being a Goscinny fan and all), but overall he wasn't much of a comics fan.
Nevertheless, he always encouraged my sister and I to read and comics were fine by him. Thanks to him and my mom, we grew up in a house filled with books. I never realized until much, much later that my family didn't have much money (we kids were always shielded from any mention of pecuniary uncertainty), but one thing's certain : there would be no cost-cutting as far as books went. We could choose one comic each come every payday, and made frequent trips to the public library.
My father never commented on my collection of American comic-books either; never suggested that I should go out more. He even accepted to read the Thomas/Smith adaptation of Red Nails (published by Les Humanoïdes associés).
We never bonded over comics, but then neither do my sons and I... it must be one of those generation-skipping things.
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Post by The Captain on Jun 20, 2016 9:17:22 GMT -5
My father had read some comics in college in the late 1960s that his fraternity brothers had. He said he remembered reading Fantastic Four, Iron Man, and Avengers, and that he never understood the love for Silver Surfer. Other than that, he knew nothing about comics and did not actively cultivate or support my interest in them.
In fact, he was pretty much against my collecting, primarily because he didn't understand why I refused to throw them out when the next issue came out. In his eyes, they were just clutter, even though I had them properly and neatly stored in bags and boxes. I still believe to this day that he had a hand in pitching my extensive run of the original Marvel Star Wars series, which went mysteriously missing my freshman year of college, that I have had to painstakingly and sometimes expensively tried to reassemble.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2016 10:33:34 GMT -5
I can point to my father for several of my nerdy obsessions like my love of Star Wars, Star Trek and Lord of the Rings, but also my love of comics. I can remember us taking a road trip when I was four years old and him buying me a jumbo-sized Justice League coloring book that felt bigger than me. He bought me the entire run of The Shadow War of Hawkman and told me that it would be worth something someday (he's not wrong, yes the comics are not worth anything from a money standpoint, but their value to me is priceless). The foundation of my comics collection are the random books he either bought for me, or gave to me out of his own meager collection. They inform a lot of what I still love to read 30 years later, those old Batman, All-Star Squadron, Hawkman, Star Trek and Star Wars comics.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2016 11:06:08 GMT -5
I have said this in other threads - my Dad is why I read comics. He read them as a kid in the 1940's. When the Batman TV show came on in 1966 we watched it together & soon after that he started bringing comics home for me. As I got older every Friday he took me to a magazine/tobacco shop where I could pick out 4-5 titles. He never thought I should "outgrow" comics & to this day him & my Mom buy me a gift certificate every Christmas at my LCS.
His favorite titles were Plastic Man & Capt Marvel(Shazam) & western comics. He doesn't like modern comics. He feels they are too violent & dark.
And as a Dad I have passed this love of comics to my youngest daughter. She has her own collection & has gone to conventions with me. My oldest daughter liked Archie Comics when she was younger but stopped reading them when she got into high school.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2016 12:36:21 GMT -5
My dad never showed any interest in comics, but a few months ago when I was showing him the comic books I had on my android tablet he said that he liked reading old comics from when he was a kid. So I put some old Superman & Batman comics on his tablet and he actually read them! When I was growing up reading and collecting comics he never said anything to me about ever liking comic books. Strange.
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Post by hondobrode on Jun 20, 2016 13:46:03 GMT -5
My father had read some comics in college in the late 1960s that his fraternity brothers had. He said he remembered reading Fantastic Four, Iron Man, and Avengers, and that he never understood the love for Silver Surfer. Other than that, he knew nothing about comics and did not actively cultivate or support my interest in them. In fact, he was pretty much against my collecting, primarily because he didn't understand why I refused to throw them out when the next issue came out. In his eyes, they were just clutter, even though I had them properly and neatly stored in bags and boxes. I still believe to this day that he had a hand in pitching my extensive run of the original Marvel Star Wars series, which went mysteriously missing my freshman year of college, that I have had to painstakingly and sometimes expensively tried to reassemble. Ugh Sorry to hear about that Captain. My brother had his Star Wars collection locked in a basement storage at an apartment house he rented and they got stolen.
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Post by Prince Hal on Jun 20, 2016 18:18:25 GMT -5
My father and mother forbade them without explanation, even though my mother had bought me and my brother two of them in 1963. Every so often they would find a comic, get rid of it and restate the policy. I ignored it and just became more clever.
My grandmother (father's mother) enabled me, alllowing me to keep a stash of comics at her house.
I continued to defy the edict and sneaked comics into the house in my coat sleeves, under my shirt and in schoolbooks. They knew I had stacks hidden somewhere, but chose not to make an issue of it until just after I turned 15, when after a bad year in school, my mother took out my big box of comics from the bottom of my closet (This was in June, 1969, so you can imagine the gems that were in there.), and angrily tore each one in half, forcing me to do the same. I tried to convince myself that she was right, that I was too old for these and that I deserved to be punished (the destruction of my comics was only part of the penalty), and that this would help to make me the mature, successful student I was supposed to be. That's how you do things in a cultlike atmosphere: recognize your sinfulness, accept your guilt, offer it up, and loathe yourself.
I began sneaking comics into the house just as quickly as I could after lying low for a bit.
Soon enough they gave up or just didn't realize what I was doing. That happens a lot in a large dysfunctional (euphemism) family. Had the comic-tearing ever been brought up again, I would have been expected to laugh it off as part of family lore or risk being thought overly sensitive or unaware of what an asshole I really was. Not that it was ever mentioned.
Denial, as they say, ain't just a river in Africa.
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Post by Prince Hal on Jun 20, 2016 18:20:39 GMT -5
My father had read some comics in college in the late 1960s that his fraternity brothers had. He said he remembered reading Fantastic Four, Iron Man, and Avengers, and that he never understood the love for Silver Surfer. Other than that, he knew nothing about comics and did not actively cultivate or support my interest in them. In fact, he was pretty much against my collecting, primarily because he didn't understand why I refused to throw them out when the next issue came out. In his eyes, they were just clutter, even though I had them properly and neatly stored in bags and boxes. I still believe to this day that he had a hand in pitching my extensive run of the original Marvel Star Wars series, which went mysteriously missing my freshman year of college, that I have had to painstakingly and sometimes expensively tried to reassemble. My sincere sympathies, Captain. I hope the reassembly was a task of rebellion and validation that you grew to enjoy. How ironic that you were collecting the story of a boy and his distant father.
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Post by Rob Allen on Jun 20, 2016 18:23:32 GMT -5
The first part of this is cribbed from the obituary I posted at CBR almost five years ago:
The first comics I ever saw were read to me by my dad. The Sunday comics sections of the Newark News and the Newark Star-Ledger were the beginning of my interest in comics. He particularly identified with Dagwood Bumstead in those days. I found out later that he'd been a big comics fan in the 1930s; back then his favorite was the intrepid pilot Tailspin Tommy. Dad always denied it, but I still suspect that my brother Tom is subliminally named after Tailspin Tommy.
He was 12 when Superman made his debut, and he and his friends read and traded comic books for the next five years. But the world got in the way - he was 16 when Pearl Harbor was attacked. They made him wait until he was 17 to join the Marines, and contrary to what I've read about comics during the war, he says he never saw one while he was in the service.
After the war he didn't pay much attention to comics that I know of. He did try to start a comic strip once - there was a really popular morning radio show in Pittsburgh, and the host had a handful of recurring characters. Dad drew up some sample strips of one of them, a tiny Venusian named Omicron, and brought them to the radio host hoping that they could get the strip into the local paper. The radio guy decided that it was better to let listeners imagine Omicron for themselves. A decade or more later, Dad still had the sketchbook with his preliminary Omicron sketches; I remember seeing it when I was a kid. That sketchbook seems to be gone now, or at least I haven't found it among the papers he left behind.
When I started reading comic books, he was very supportive. He may have been the one who encouraged me to try one initially; I don't recall which of my parents did that. But I do remember that he would read them to me and with me in the beginning. Later, when I was clearly enthralled by Marvel comics at the height of the Silver Age, he would copy my favorite characters from a comic book page onto cardboard, color them and cut them out, making some primitive "action figures". I still have those (the ones that survived) and will cherish them for the rest of my life.
I think my parents expected me to grow out of comic books some day, but they let me pursue my interest. A few years later, Dad went thru a "born-again" phase, and got a job with a religious publishing company called Logos. The folks at Logos saw the success that their rivals were having with Spire Christian Comics, and decided to publish some comics of their own. When their first two comic books came off the press, Dad brought them home and asked my opinion as a comics aficionado. Unfortunately for Logos, their comics were produced by Tony Tallarico, who was considered by many to be one of the worst artists ever. I was too polite to tell Dad that his company's comics sucked, so I said something like, "they're not really up to contemporary standards in comic art." To illustrate the point, I gave him a handful of recent comics that had what I considered really good art. Unfortunately for me, one of them was Dr. Strange #1. When his co-workers saw the book's subtitle, "Master of the Mystic Arts", that meant only one thing to them - Satan! I did have enough sense not to give him an issue of Son of Satan, but I didn't think enough about Dr. Strange. My original point about the art was lost in his colleagues' concern about my soul. Dad knew me well enough that he wasn't worried, and this blew over soon. Logos published a total of four comic books and lost their shirts on all of them. The owners of Logos turned out not to practice what they preached, and Dad's disillusionment brought his born-again phase to an end, although he remained a Christian and in retirement he became a beloved storyteller to the children at his church.
In his last years, I gave him a couple of comic-related gifts - a replica Tailspin Tommy pulp magazine and a collection of another aviation strip, Smilin' Jack. He was tickled to see them again but the actual stories weren't as thrilling as they had been in the 1930s. At that point he was on dialysis up to 18 hours a day, so there wasn't much energy left for fun. His kidneys gave out first, then his heart. He left us a few weeks after his 86th birthday, in October 2011.
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Post by String on Jun 20, 2016 18:35:28 GMT -5
As far as I know, my dad never read any comics. Mom was the proactive one in developing my love of reading so Dad never said anything negative about my comic reading. I don't think he quite understood my zeal for them nor my impatience sometimes in wanting to go to the local convenience/grocery store to see if a specific issue had been released yet. I guess more than anything, he tolerated it since I wasn't doing anything dangerous or illegal.
Today, I keep about half of my collection at his home. While visiting, sometimes I'd take out some issues to re-read or swap stacks of books. He'd always ask what I was looking for or if I found what I was looking for which I think is his small way of showing support for my continued interest in this hobby.
As for my own son, I've adopted some of the same views. I introduced him to comics when he was younger but left it up to him if he wanted to follow/read them. (His favorite story while growing up was Bone).
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Post by Prince Hal on Jun 20, 2016 19:38:00 GMT -5
The first part of this is cribbed from the obituary I posted at CBR almost five years ago: The first comics I ever saw were read to me by my dad. The Sunday comics sections of the Newark News and the Newark Star-Ledger were the beginning of my interest in comics. He particularly identified with Dagwood Bumstead in those days. I found out later that he'd been a big comics fan in the 1930s; back then his favorite was the intrepid pilot Tailspin Tommy. Dad always denied it, but I still suspect that my brother Tom is subliminally named after Tailspin Tommy. He was 12 when Superman made his debut, and he and his friends read and traded comic books for the next five years. But the world got in the way - he was 16 when Pearl Harbor was attacked. They made him wait until he was 17 to join the Marines, and contrary to what I've read about comics during the war, he says he never saw one while he was in the service. After the war he didn't pay much attention to comics that I know of. He did try to start a comic strip once - there was a really popular morning radio show in Pittsburgh, and the host had a handful of recurring characters. Dad drew up some sample strips of one of them, a tiny Venusian named Omicron, and brought them to the radio host hoping that they could get the strip into the local paper. The radio guy decided that it was better to let listeners imagine Omicron for themselves. A decade or more later, Dad still had the sketchbook with his preliminary Omicron sketches; I remember seeing it when I was a kid. That sketchbook seems to be gone now, or at least I haven't found it among the papers he left behind. When I started reading comic books, he was very supportive. He may have been the one who encouraged me to try one initially; I don't recall which of my parents did that. But I do remember that he would read them to me and with me in the beginning. Later, when I was clearly enthralled by Marvel comics at the height of the Silver Age, he would copy my favorite characters from a comic book page onto cardboard, color them and cut them out, making some primitive "action figures". I still have those (the ones that survived) and will cherish them for the rest of my life. I think my parents expected me to grow out of comic books some day, but they let me pursue my interest. A few years later, Dad went thru a "born-again" phase, and got a job with a religious publishing company called Logos. The folks at Logos saw the success that their rivals were having with Spire Christian Comics, and decided to publish some comics of their own. When their first two comic books came off the press, Dad brought them home and asked my opinion as a comics aficionado. Unfortunately for Logos, their comics were produced by Tony Tallarico, who was considered by many to be one of the worst artists ever. I was too polite to tell Dad that his company's comics sucked, so I said something like, "they're not really up to contemporary standards in comic art." To illustrate the point, I gave him a handful of recent comics that had what I considered really good art. Unfortunately for me, one of them was Dr. Strange #1. When his co-workers saw the book's subtitle, "Master of the Mystic Arts", that meant only one thing to them - Satan! I did have enough sense not to give him an issue of Son of Satan, but I didn't think enough about Dr. Strange. My original point about the art was lost in his colleagues' concern about my soul. Dad knew me well enough that he wasn't worried, and this blew over soon. Logos published a total of four comic books and lost their shirts on all of them. The owners of Logos turned out not to practice what they preached, and Dad's disillusionment brought his born-again phase to an end, although he remained a Christian and in retirement he became a beloved storyteller to the children at his church. In his last years, I gave him a couple of comic-related gifts - a replica Tailspin Tommy pulp magazine and a collection of another aviation strip, Smilin' Jack. He was tickled to see them again but the actual stories weren't as thrilling as they had been in the 1930s. At that point he was on dialysis up to 18 hours a day, so there wasn't much energy left for fun. His kidneys gave out first, then his heart. He left us a few weeks after his 86th birthday, in October 2011. What a good guy your dad was, Rob. It sounds as if you relish the memories you have of him. Love the bit with Dr. Strange and Son of Satan, btw. Classic.
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