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Post by Nowhere Man on Jul 15, 2016 14:58:24 GMT -5
The challenge with Voice of the Fire is the first chapter. It is written from the midnset of a pre-literate human and Moore chooses to use syntax, sentence structure, and diction to try to convey that mindset, making more of the first chapter unintelligible gibberish. I couldn't get through that chapter the first time I tried to read Voice. The second time I just skipped the first chapter altogether. -M There are people who claim to have read, understood and enjoyed Finnegan's Wake the first time they read it. I'm guessing it's nowhere near that difficult, so I'm going to give it a go. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 15, 2016 21:00:04 GMT -5
Wow, 3 pages and no one mentioned PAD yet?
Peter David's B5 novels are excellent.. they do a great job working within the framework of the show and expanding upon it. He wrote quite a few Trek Novels as well that I remember enjoying.
IIRC, he does also have an original sci fi novel, but I never got around to reading it.
IIRC, didn't Jodi Piccault (sp) write Wonder Woman for a bit? Not my kinda book, but certainly she exists.
Mike Carey has a few good novels out there, too.
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Post by dupersuper on Jul 15, 2016 21:50:01 GMT -5
Don't forget China Miévilles Dial H run...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2016 22:41:01 GMT -5
Wow, 3 pages and no one mentioned PAD yet? Peter David's B5 novels are excellent.. they do a great job working within the framework of the show and expanding upon it. He wrote quite a few Trek Novels as well that I remember enjoying. IIRC, he does also have an original sci fi novel, but I never got around to reading it. IIRC, didn't Jodi Piccault (sp) write Wonder Woman for a bit? Not my kinda book, but certainly she exists. Mike Carey has a few good novels out there, too. I've read and quite enjoyed most of Mike Carey's Felix Castor series. Christopher Golden and Tom Sniegowski are two others who have written both comics and prose, sometimes together, other times as solo writers (in both prose and comics). Most of their prose is horror or urban fantasy. Dan Abnett has written several Warhammer 40K novels as well, and those are quite well regarded by fans of the property and game. Stephan Petrucha, who worked with Charlie Adlard of Walking Dead fame on the Topps X-Files comics and a bunch of stuff for Papercutz has also written a bunch of novels as well. Then there is Joe Hill(Stephen King's son) who wrot ethe fantastic Locke and Key series plus some other horror stuff for ODW and has written a bunch of horror (and other) novels. -M |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jul 15, 2016 23:08:18 GMT -5
Prestigious SF writer Samuel Delaney wrote a few Wonder Woman comics around the #200 range, during the depowered Diana Prince phase
As Slam noted earlier, of all the writers who began their career in comics and moved on to prose, none was as so successful or so influential as Mickey Spillane. No one here on these boards are old enough to realize the impact that I, The Jury made on the general public. It pretty much solidified the paperback book format as a mass market media
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Post by earl on Jul 16, 2016 7:01:13 GMT -5
Haven't read them but Warren Ellis' two novels have gotten some pretty good reviews from SciFi novel sites.
There are a handful of modern comic writers that came into comics after publishing novels outside of just Greg Rucka, Duane Swierczynski is one that comes to mind. There are others.
Many of your classic comic writers that also wrote novels were often 'slumming it' doing comic work for money while trying to write their Great American Novel.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 16, 2016 10:20:37 GMT -5
Prestigious SF writer Samuel Delaney wrote a few Wonder Woman comics around the #200 range, during the depowered Diana Prince phase As Slam noted earlier, of all the writers who began their career in comics and moved on to prose, none was as so successful or so influential as Mickey Spillane. No one here on these boards are old enough to realize the impact that I, The Jury made on the general public. It pretty much solidified the paperback book format as a mass market media It could be argued that I, The Jury is the most influential book of the 20th Century. It truly was the tipping point that made the paperback original a viable format (for all that I, the Jury actually did have a limited release as a hardback) and tolled the death knell for pulp magazines as they were replaced by paperbacks. Spillane and Gaiman are the poster-children for moving from comics and becoming huge in prose. |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jul 16, 2016 12:02:49 GMT -5
Prestigious SF writer Samuel Delaney wrote a few Wonder Woman comics around the #200 range, during the depowered Diana Prince phase As Slam noted earlier, of all the writers who began their career in comics and moved on to prose, none was as so successful or so influential as Mickey Spillane. No one here on these boards are old enough to realize the impact that I, The Jury made on the general public. It pretty much solidified the paperback book format as a mass market media It could be argued that I, The Jury is the most influential book of the 20th Century. It truly was the tipping point that made the paperback original a viable format (for all that I, the Jury actually did have a limited release as a hardback) and tolled the death knell for pulp magazines as they were replaced by paperbacks. Spillane and Gaiman are the poster-children for moving from comics and becoming huge in prose. Mickey Spillane's Mike Hammer creation went on to movies, TV series and comic strips. Not only that, Spillane was appearing all over TV as a talk show guest. He even played the character in the movies. The general public knew his name, knew what he looked like, knew how he spoke. No one has more admiration than I for Gaiman but he has a long way to go before reaching the heights of public recognition that Spillane achieved Has Michael Chabon wrote any actual comics? A complete story? |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 16, 2016 13:46:09 GMT -5
Wow, 3 pages and no one mentioned PAD yet? Peter David's B5 novels are excellent.. they do a great job working within the framework of the show and expanding upon it. He wrote quite a few Trek Novels as well that I remember enjoying. I feel guilty of not having thought of him. Peter David really "got" the voices of the Star Trek characters, as he demonstrated both in his books and in the comics. Ditto for Babylon 5, although the best books set in that universe will always be the Psi-corps trilogy written by J. Gregory Keyes. |
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Post by berkley on Jul 16, 2016 21:45:33 GMT -5
I can't agree that the first chapter of Moore's Voice of the Fire is unintelligible. It might take the reader a few paragraphs to get into the swing of it but I wouldn't say it's any more difficult to process than, say, Irvine Welsh's Trainspotting. I think it's one of the more interesting chapters of the book.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 17, 2016 7:40:00 GMT -5
I've never heard of I, the Jury.. what made it so important?
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 17, 2016 12:19:45 GMT -5
It could be argued that I, The Jury is the most influential book of the 20th Century. It truly was the tipping point that made the paperback original a viable format (for all that I, the Jury actually did have a limited release as a hardback) and tolled the death knell for pulp magazines as they were replaced by paperbacks. Spillane and Gaiman are the poster-children for moving from comics and becoming huge in prose. Mickey Spillane's Mike Hammer creation went on to movies, TV series and comic strips. Not only that, Spillane was appearing all over TV as a talk show guest. He even played the character in the movies. The general public knew his name, knew what he looked like, knew how he spoke. No one has more admiration than I for Gaiman but he has a long way to go before reaching the heights of public recognition that Spillane achieved Has Michael Chabon wrote any actual comics? A complete story? I thoght he had written The Escapist, but that seems to have been a "Michael Chabon presents..." kind of thing. He's credited as the writer of a JSA: all-stars story from 2003. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 17, 2016 12:48:51 GMT -5
I've never heard of I, the Jury.. what made it so important? I, the Jury is the first Mike Hammer novel, written by Mickey Spillane and originally published in hardcover in 1947. The hardcover did not sell. However, for some reason, it was published as a paperback in 1948 and sold phenomenally well, selling over 500,000 copies by 1950. At that point paperbacks were pretty rare and were almost exclusively reprints. It was largely due to the incredible sales of "I, the Jury" that Fawcett Publications started their famous Gold Medal Books line of paperback originals in 1950. The line introduced such writers as John D. MacDonald, Charles Williams, and Richard S. Prather. Ed Gorman's blog post on Gold Medal Books is linked below. newimprovedgorman.blogspot.com/2006/11/gold-medal-books-1000-words.html |
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Post by mikelmidnight on Jul 18, 2016 14:49:18 GMT -5
The 80s paperback series Weird Heroes was rich with prose by a variety of comic writers, and worth checking out. There's a novel featuring a character named Doc Phoenix (created by Ted White) written by Marv Wolfman, who apparently hates the book. I thought it was pretty good, and certainly better than the worst of his comics writing!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 14:50:53 GMT -5
The 80s paperback series Weird Heroes was rich with prose by a variety of comic writers, and worth checking out. There's a novel featuring a character named Doc Phoenix (created by Ted White) written by Marv Wolfman, who apparently hates the book. I thought it was pretty good, and certainly better than the worst of his comics writing! I have about half that series and haven't been able to track down the rest of them. -M |
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