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Post by tingramretro on Jul 25, 2016 14:08:11 GMT -5
About the first fifty or sixty issues of Excalibur were pretty good, but it lost something later on.
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Post by Batflunkie on Jul 25, 2016 17:03:00 GMT -5
I did enjoy Elementals, but I never read Harbinger Harbinger, on the surface, is a very simple story of teenage rebellion set against the backdrop of superhuman powers and a tyranical cult of personality named Toyo Harada, but it's told in such a way that's incredibly compelling I really like Nightcrawler myself too. But I have not read much of Excalibur at all. Maybe that's something I should rectify. The best way I can describe Excalibur is like an much earlier verison of Marvel's own "Uncanny Avengers". It's very light-hearted, with a lot of special interest towards whimsical mythological creatures, but also has some dark as hell moments I wouldn't say that it's for everyone, but I appreciate how different it was for a team oriented book from Marvel |
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Post by Phil Maurice on Jul 25, 2016 17:59:52 GMT -5
I didn't think I'd have anything to contribute here, but then I remembered Moon Knight. Now, I loved the Moench/Sienkiewicz version of the character; it was my introduction to Marc Spector and his supporting cast, but no version before or since has captured my imagination the way that creative team did. I've concluded that it was a fluke. I don't really care for Moon Knight; I just really dug what those two masters achieved, briefly, three-plus decades ago.  |
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Post by Batflunkie on Jul 25, 2016 19:29:35 GMT -5
I kind of found the Moench Moon Knight a bit of a tough slog, which is weird considering how much I loved Ghost Rider and his 80's Spectre revival. I don't think it helped much that O'Neil was hellbent on having Moon Knight be "Marvel's answer to Batman" instead of it's own, unqiue thing
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Post by berkley on Jul 25, 2016 19:52:36 GMT -5
I kind of found the Moench Moon Knight a bit of a tough slog, which is weird considering how much I loved Ghost Rider and his 80's Spectre revival. I don't think it helped much that O'Neil was hellbent on having Moon Knight be "Marvel's answer to Batman" instead of it's own, unqiue thing I consider myself a Moon Knight fan but I have to agree with this, at least to a degree. I read the entire Moench/Sinkiewicz series for the first time about a year ago and felt pretty much the same reaction. |
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Post by Phil Maurice on Jul 25, 2016 20:31:19 GMT -5
I kind of found the Moench Moon Knight a bit of a tough slog, which is weird considering how much I loved Ghost Rider and his 80's Spectre revival. I don't think it helped much that O'Neil was hellbent on having Moon Knight be "Marvel's answer to Batman" instead of it's own, unqiue thing I consider myself a Moon Knight fan but I have to agree with this, at least to a degree. I read the entire Moench/Sinkiewicz series for the first time about a year ago and felt pretty much the same reaction. See, I think these posts reinforce my point. I don't really like Moon Knight; I just liked that particular series, the fact it's unpopular and long-cancelled notwithstanding.  |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 25, 2016 20:35:38 GMT -5
I didn't think I'd have anything to contribute here, but then I remembered Moon Knight. Now, I loved the Moench/Sienkiewicz version of the character; it was my introduction to Marc Spector and his supporting cast, but no version before or since has captured my imagination the way that creative team did. I've concluded that it was a fluke. I don't really care for Moon Knight; I just really dug what those two masters achieved, briefly, three-plus decades ago. Dude, you put your finger on it exactly. I really enjoyed the first 35 issues but I dropped it afterwards. i really like the split personality part of it. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 25, 2016 20:39:59 GMT -5
One of my all time favorite characters has been Hawkeye. He was great until he got married and joined the West Coast Avengers. I never liked him as a leader either on WC Avengers or the Thunderbolts. I always thought that he worked best as a pain in the neck that was on a team. The guy nowadays, I don't recognize.
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Post by Batflunkie on Jul 25, 2016 21:04:38 GMT -5
See, I think these posts reinforce my point. I don't really like Moon Knight; I just liked that particular series, the fact it's unpopular and long-cancelled notwithstanding. Don't get me wrong, I love Moon Knight, I'm just not particularly endeared towards the first volume of the series I also like Ghost Rider, but I'm not all that fond of the 90's itteration |
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Post by berkley on Jul 26, 2016 0:17:12 GMT -5
My favourite Moon Knight stories are probably the very earliest ones in Werewolf by Night, and some of his first few solo stories in Marvel Spotlight and the Hulk magazine. But I read a lot of the more recent series last year and was surprised to find them all pretty good in one way or another. The best of the newer ones for me was Ellis's 6-issues in the current series.
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Post by batlaw on Jul 26, 2016 0:25:41 GMT -5
Well, I used to really like spiderman but reached a point where I had simply "read enough". Still like the character, just not compelled to read him.
Same basically with X-men. For several years I loved all the books. Then they were just boring and convoluted and over saturated I lost interest. Still I don't hate them, just not interested in them or wanting to read them. Similarly with Wolverine. I enjoy the character it right times and places. But I've delved as far into him as I need or want (like spidey).
I'm also still a big punisher fan but haven't read in years. I'm so done with dillan and ennis version I can't stand it. And there hasn't been anything cool different or fun with him since the first civil war imo.
Really the only character I truly once loved and simply can't stomach reading now (or even look at really) is superman. But that's the modern creators fault, not the character.
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Post by Batflunkie on Jul 26, 2016 0:45:51 GMT -5
My favourite Moon Knight stories are probably the very earliest ones in Werewolf by Night, and some of his first few solo stories in Marvel Spotlight and the Hulk magazine. But I read a lot of the more recent series last year and was surprised to find them all pretty good in one way or another. The best of the newer ones for me was Ellis's 6-issues in the current series. While Ellis' brief run is what got me intially interested in the character, the 2006 Huston/Finch Moon Knight is just, gosh...... It's just gushing with everything I ever wanted out of Batman and much, much more |
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Post by chadwilliam on Jul 26, 2016 0:53:17 GMT -5
Batman now that he's been created by Frank Miller. Joker since he's been defined by Alan Moore (you know, you hear a lot about "unpredictability" and how the Joker recreates himself all the time, but all I've seen since The Killing Joke is the same old mindless serial killer/terrorist showing up like clockwork). Superman when John Byrne realized that no one had ever gotten the character right. Plastic Man when Grant Morrison turned him from a straight man in a comic world into Jim Carey on acid.
Now the real versions of those characters I still love, but today's parodies... yikes. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 26, 2016 6:20:06 GMT -5
Well, I used to really like spiderman but reached a point where I had simply "read enough". Still like the character, just not compelled to read him. Same basically with X-men. For several years I loved all the books. Then they were just boring and convoluted and over saturated I lost interest. Still I don't hate them, just not interested in them or wanting to read them. Similarly with Wolverine. I enjoy the character it right times and places. But I've delved as far into him as I need or want (like spidey). I'm also still a big punisher fan but haven't read in years. I'm so done with dillan and ennis version I can't stand it. And there hasn't been anything cool different or fun with him since the first civil war imo. Really the only character I truly once loved and simply can't stomach reading now (or even look at really) is superman. But that's the modern creators fault, not the character. Wow. Nicely put. I feel that way about the Avengers, they are not the group that I followed since youth. Somewhere along the line they became the Legion Of Superheroes with the roster of thousands. The only book that captures that old feel is the Mark Waid book. |
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Post by brutalis on Jul 26, 2016 7:48:07 GMT -5
You can pretty much say this about all of the current Marvel and/or DC characters. The characters have either been changed so drastically or their concepts corroded by what the recent crop of "writers" consider to be cool ideas or they have been replaced. Gone are our hero's, replaced with corrupted, faithless, hopeless copies of themselves. They have all become like degraded Xerox copies of what they were, each successive copy becoming distorted and visibly worse with every issue.
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