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Post by Ish Kabbible on Aug 5, 2016 19:42:43 GMT -5
Red Oaks letters page thread reminds me of this topic I never saw fully answered. There was a law that comic books must have 1 or 2 pages of pure prose writing in order to qualify for 2nd class mailing discounts from the post office.
So my questions are:
When did this ruling go into effect? Who can find the actual citation for this ruling? What were the reasons and who were the advocated for this rule? Did this law ever expire? Did any comic company ignore this rule?
Any real info concerning this would be of interest to me. I've never seen an article in any fanzine examining this subject
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Post by dcindexer on Aug 5, 2016 23:11:07 GMT -5
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Aug 6, 2016 0:35:14 GMT -5
Thanks DCindexer, I can pretty much infer all the answers to my questions from the article you attached. I knew comics included the mandatory prose pages pretty much from the beginning. The most famous one of all was May 1941's prose story in Captain America #3, Stan Lee's first published work in comics
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Post by berkley on Aug 6, 2016 1:37:20 GMT -5
Maybe this is answered in the article dcindexer linked, but did they count things like letter pages, the Marvel Checklist, and Stan's Soapbox as prose pages?
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Aug 6, 2016 2:55:49 GMT -5
Maybe this is answered in the article dcindexer linked, but did they count things like letter pages, the Marvel Checklist, and Stan's Soapbox as prose pages? Letter pages most definitely were counted as prose pages and wound up as (obviously) superior substitutes to those fiction pieces that nobody read. I'd imagine the Marvel Bullpen pages counted as well
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Post by Chris on Aug 6, 2016 16:33:12 GMT -5
If you had asked the Answer Man, he could have told you about the Daily Planet pages that ran next to the letters pages in DC comics for years.
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Post by berkley on Aug 6, 2016 19:04:17 GMT -5
Marvel had some great letter page regulars and thanks in large part to their help the letter page was a highlight of the reading experience every issue for some series - ToD, MoKF, and most of the Gerber books come to mind, just to name a few examples. Was the same true of the DC letter pages?
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Aug 6, 2016 20:02:15 GMT -5
Marvel had some great letter page regulars and thanks in large part to their help the letter page was a highlight of the reading experience every issue for some series - ToD, MoKF, and most of the Gerber books come to mind, just to name a few examples. Was the same true of the DC letter pages? I thought so, especially in the early Silver Age Julie Schwartz edited titles (Flash, Green Lantern etc) early to mid 60s. Letter hacks, and future professionals, such as Marty Pasko, Guy Lillian, Irene Vartanoff, Paul Gambaccini, (I know I'm mis-spelling a bunch of names) filled the page with thoughtful, literate comments We had a large thread sometime earlier on older letter columns and its' participants. Search for it
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Post by berkley on Aug 6, 2016 20:34:34 GMT -5
I remember that thread, but I probably skipped the DC parts because I wouldn't have recognised any names, apart from future pros like Martin Pasko, or known what they were talking about. But good idea, I'll look for it again.
One prose page I remember liking was Jack Kirby's occasional little essays where he's talk about the ideas behind a series such as the Eternals, usually in the first issue , before there were any letters to print. I think this would have been a good thing to do on a semi-regular basis, except I suppose I wouldn't want them to take away another story page, especially in the 70s when they were already down to a measly 17 pages. But I would love to have read occasional essays by writers like Englehart, Gerber, Starlin, etc, commenting on what they were doing in their stories. Of course we did get a bit of that in the letters pages, in their responses to the LoCs, but it was very brief and piecemeal.
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Post by Red Oak Kid on Aug 7, 2016 14:06:28 GMT -5
In the early 70s, mainly at DC, when a new title kicked off, the editor would write a page about how the book was created. Maybe a few words about the writer and artist. Sometimes they would have reviews from people who they had sent advanced copies to. I enjoyed these since this was in the days before everyone had their own blog.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Aug 7, 2016 16:40:02 GMT -5
I've been reading the Dark Horse/Dynamite Warren Magazine Archives of late for Creepy, Eerie and Vampirella. The same prose page regulations applied to them as well. Warren gave you one or two letter pages but they also gave you one or two fan pages with submissions of short prose stories or artwork from fans. A surprising number of future pros got their first published work seen on those pages such as Bernie Wrightson, Frank Brunner, Michael Kaluta and more. Also Warren occasionally had a page similar to Marvel's Bullpen Bulletins with behind-the-scenes news and bios of their staff
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