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Post by foxley on May 4, 2014 8:12:54 GMT -5
I really mean 17 minutes - to me, "Classic" can/should also refer to the quality of the work. Like Chris Ware's collected, Building Stories came out last year, and it's obviously formally brilliant in a way that nothing else really is. Some books gain stature in retrospect, but some classics are obviously classics right out the gate. "Quality" is integral to the definition of classic. The other ingredient is time. How much? That's what this thread is about. Well, if quality is an integral part of the definition, then All-Star Batman and Robin is never going to qualify. Has there ever been a less accurately titled comic? |
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Post by Ozymandias on May 4, 2014 8:47:56 GMT -5
Well, if quality is an integral part of the definition, then All-Star Batman and Robin is never going to qualify. Has there ever been a less accurately titled comic? Agreed, "classic" is a term used rather loosely. |
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Post by shaxper on May 4, 2014 9:00:11 GMT -5
For the purposes of this discussion forum and this thread, "classic" is half of the duality classic/modern. It denotes comics that are no longer current; quality is not implied and should not be inferred, just as the Classical Era denotes a time period that had many positive attributes, but not everything that occurred in, nor was produced in, that era should be considered high quality. Many of my classic comics reviews consist largely of stories that are anything but quality  |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2014 17:36:22 GMT -5
Now All-Star Batman #10-Do you consider it a classic because its monetarily valued as a classic due to it's scarcity? Not only its scarcity after being pulled but for the reason it was pulled. We don't come across potty-mouth DCs everyday and the barred out words are still there to see. Wolverine 131 would also qualify because of the slur...which I think was overblown and stupid. We hear racial slurs on primetime TV, in movies, but if its said in a comic, it's the end of the world. If it's said in a comic featuring children's heroes. We hear racial slurs on late night cop dramas, but if the Peanuts gang was dropping N-Bombs on the Easter special, there would be some problems. |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2014 17:43:52 GMT -5
if the Peanuts gang was dropping N-Bombs on the Easter special, there would be some problems. No, no -- that would make the Easter special a "classic." Apparently. |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on May 4, 2014 18:05:50 GMT -5
if the Peanuts gang was dropping N-Bombs on the Easter special, there would be some problems. No, no -- that would make the Easter special a "classic." Apparently. If the Peanuts gang started to use salty laguage on one of their specials,I'd want to DVR it |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2014 18:47:51 GMT -5
Has there ever been a less accurately titled comic? Giant-Size Man-Thing comes to my mind... Oh the imagery... |
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Post by foxley on May 5, 2014 2:30:56 GMT -5
Has there ever been a less accurately titled comic? Giant-Size Man-Thing comes to my mind... Oh the imagery... Pay that! |
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Post by Ozymandias on Sept 5, 2016 15:09:49 GMT -5
This thread had a lot of activity in the first 48 hours, and then it suddenly died. It hasn't been anywhere near the first pages since the forum started, which means most of the current members didn't get a chance to vote, taking advantage of the fact that this poll doesn't expire, now you have a chance.
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Post by berkley on Sept 5, 2016 17:08:41 GMT -5
I voted the last two, pre-1991 and Silver Age, but in a totally arbitrary and personal sense I would say before the Shooter era, which was for me the end of Marvel as a creative force. They still published the odd good series after that but I see them as the products of individual talents rather than of Marvel itself as a creative environment that fostered that talent.
Of course that's just Marvel and means nothing in regard to the independents or DC, etc.
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Post by Prince Hal on Sept 5, 2016 17:16:17 GMT -5
Tough call, because some works are classic as soon as they're published. I'm thinking of things like Dark Knight, Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow? New Frontier, Marvels, etc.
The Godfather and Godfather II didn't have to wait a certain umber of years to be recognized as classics.
I get that it's better to have an arbitrary dividing line; it's like the baseball Hall of Fame. Yes, we all knew Ken Griffey, Jr. was a Hall of Famer years before he retired, and he'd've been voted in ten minutes after he'd retired if the rules permitted that.
But for purposes of careful thought and consideration, five years sounds reasonable.
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Post by shaxper on Sept 5, 2016 17:23:08 GMT -5
This thread had a lot of activity in the first 48 hours, and then it suddenly died. It hasn't been anywhere near the first pages since the forum started, which means most of the current members didn't get a chance to vote, taking advantage of the fact that this poll doesn't expire, now you have a chance. You're free to reopen this discussion for fun, but the intent was to determine how to organize this site two years ago, when it first launched. The mods and I have no intention of moving everything around if the group comes to a different consensus now. That would be madness. |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Sept 5, 2016 17:32:37 GMT -5
If we're to factor "quality" to what determines a comic as classic then there are tons of golden age books that don't deserve that recognition
So I'll use that term to denote a time frame only. There are plenty of other adjectives that can be used if a comic is good
I also think the classic term should be based on a fluid time point. After all time does not stay still nor should the term classic
10 years seems just about right to me since you can look back very objectively and also see clearly any influences and ramifications that book had on what was to follow.
Plus we've been using that benchmark in the Classic Comics Cover Contest for almost 2 years now and see no reason for it to change
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 17:58:57 GMT -5
Anything before 1990 that I would deem to be a classic - it's has to be at least 20 years old to be worthy as a classic in my old judgement.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 19:08:44 GMT -5
I voted 5 years the first time around, but we settle don ten and I wouldn't want to change it after 2 years. It's arbitrary, but it works.
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