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Post by Rob Allen on Dec 1, 2015 15:22:02 GMT -5
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 1, 2015 19:09:31 GMT -5
I didn't see this mentioned here, but I read else where that CBS is planning a new TV series for 2017...but it will only air on their on demand service. I've never gone in on one of those single channel on demand things but for Star trek I just might have to.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 21:07:40 GMT -5
I didn't see this mentioned here, but I read else where that CBS is planning a new TV series for 2017...but it will only air on their on demand service. I've never gone in on one of those single channel on demand things but for Star trek I just might have to. I'm kind of disappointed in this - I was hoping to be on the regular schedule like a normal TV program too. With On Demand / CBS All Access you will tend to forget about it. That's why I hate Netflix and other broadcasts systems that not on cable and/or satellite systems. It will cost you six dollars a month to watch it. |
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Post by shaxper on Dec 2, 2015 0:11:37 GMT -5
Yeah, I really don't know how I feel about a new Trek show. I really worry about which continuity they will place it in.
In regard to my Trek viewing, I decided to start watching TNG Season 4 again. The last time I was on a Next Gen kick was probably four years ago, and, at that time, I got through Seasons 1-3 and ended with Best of Both Worlds. So tonight I picked up where I left off, watching both "Family" and "Brothers". Neither disappointed in the slightest.
It's good to be home again.
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Post by Action Ace on Dec 2, 2015 14:31:26 GMT -5
Yeah, I really don't know how I feel about a new Trek show. I really worry about which continuity they will place it in. In regard to my Trek viewing, I decided to start watching TNG Season 4 again. The last time I was on a Next Gen kick was probably four years ago, and, at that time, I got through Seasons 1-3 and ended with Best of Both Worlds. So tonight I picked up where I left off, watching both "Family" and "Brothers". Neither disappointed in the slightest. It's good to be home again. The few months between "Mr. Worf....FIRE!" and the conclusion certainly felt like four years at the time.  |
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Post by shaxper on Dec 2, 2015 14:40:59 GMT -5
Yeah, I really don't know how I feel about a new Trek show. I really worry about which continuity they will place it in. In regard to my Trek viewing, I decided to start watching TNG Season 4 again. The last time I was on a Next Gen kick was probably four years ago, and, at that time, I got through Seasons 1-3 and ended with Best of Both Worlds. So tonight I picked up where I left off, watching both "Family" and "Brothers". Neither disappointed in the slightest. It's good to be home again. The few months between "Mr. Worf....FIRE!" and the conclusion certainly felt like four years at the time. I've heard that Patrick Stewart was originally not planning to return; that this was going to be the end of Picard until Paramount convinced him to return. I assume Lt. Shelby would have taken over as second in command? |
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Post by Randle-El on Dec 2, 2015 15:16:01 GMT -5
Yeah, I really don't know how I feel about a new Trek show. I really worry about which continuity they will place it in. In regard to my Trek viewing, I decided to start watching TNG Season 4 again. The last time I was on a Next Gen kick was probably four years ago, and, at that time, I got through Seasons 1-3 and ended with Best of Both Worlds. So tonight I picked up where I left off, watching both "Family" and "Brothers". Neither disappointed in the slightest. It's good to be home again. I just finished season 4 of my TNG re-watch. I have to say that I have a new appreciation for the episodes focusing on Worf and Klingon politics. As a kid, I remember finding those episodes to be rather dull and ever since I would always skip them in subsequent re-watches. However, this time around I decided to give them another shot and I was surprised to find them well-written and pretty engrossing. On the other hand, I am also finding a lot of plot holes and inconsistencies in episodes that I previously enjoyed. How come no one on the Enterprise ever bothers to tell Data that having a romantic relationship is pretty much a non-starter when it's not possible to love? Why does Lore feel compelled to steal the emotion chip from Dr. Soong when he already has emotions? How does Worf have a son who looks to be at least five years old by season 4 when he presumably conceived the child in season 2? |
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Post by shaxper on Dec 2, 2015 15:24:48 GMT -5
Yeah, I really don't know how I feel about a new Trek show. I really worry about which continuity they will place it in. In regard to my Trek viewing, I decided to start watching TNG Season 4 again. The last time I was on a Next Gen kick was probably four years ago, and, at that time, I got through Seasons 1-3 and ended with Best of Both Worlds. So tonight I picked up where I left off, watching both "Family" and "Brothers". Neither disappointed in the slightest. It's good to be home again. I just finished season 4 of my TNG re-watch. I have to say that I have a new appreciation for the episodes focusing on Worf and Klingon politics. As a kid, I remember finding those episodes to be rather dull and ever since I would always skip them in subsequent re-watches. However, this time around I decided to give them another shot and I was surprised to find them well-written and pretty engrossing. I always liked them. Have you followed Worf's story arc through Deep Space Nine? Man, his final final Klingon politics episode rocked my world. I stood up and cheered aloud. I was pretty sure this actually came up in the episode "In Theory" as well as in "Data's Day". In both circumstances, confidants advised against it but also acknowledged Data's sentience and right to live life how he chooses. Jealousy and a sincere need to be superior to his brother. It's implied in the dialogue that Soong believed there was something wrong with Lore's emotion programming, causing him to do the things he did, and that Lore assumed the chip would fix that problem. Soong even tells him after that it won't. Been a while, but I think Alexander came from an earlier romantic encounter between them? Either that, or Klingon children grow up faster?? |
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Post by DE Sinclair on Dec 2, 2015 16:31:33 GMT -5
Star Trek: Generations would make the perfect Christmas movie.  I choose to believe the Next Gen movies never happened, personally. Otherwise, yes, that would be a good choice. I do vaguely recall a TOS episode where Kirk was concerned about whether or not his crew would get real turkeys cooked for Christmas or something. It was a throwaway line that I last heard YEARS ago, but does anyone know what I'm talking about? Was this what you're referring to? Replicated from Memory-Alpha.wikia.com:
On Thanksgiving 2266, James T. Kirk wanted his crew to celebrate the holiday by requesting to the chef that he make their synthetic meatloaf look like a turkey. Later he was told by the chef that somehow the meatloaf had been replaced by actual turkeys. (TOS: "Charlie X")
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Post by shaxper on Dec 2, 2015 17:20:04 GMT -5
I choose to believe the Next Gen movies never happened, personally. Otherwise, yes, that would be a good choice. I do vaguely recall a TOS episode where Kirk was concerned about whether or not his crew would get real turkeys cooked for Christmas or something. It was a throwaway line that I last heard YEARS ago, but does anyone know what I'm talking about? Was this what you're referring to? Replicated from Memory-Alpha.wikia.com:
On Thanksgiving 2266, James T. Kirk wanted his crew to celebrate the holiday by requesting to the chef that he make their synthetic meatloaf look like a turkey. Later he was told by the chef that somehow the meatloaf had been replaced by actual turkeys. (TOS: "Charlie X")
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Post by Randle-El on Dec 2, 2015 17:27:33 GMT -5
I always liked them. Have you followed Worf's story arc through Deep Space Nine? Man, his final final Klingon politics episode rocked my world. I stood up and cheered aloud. I haven't really watched any Star Trek after TNG. When DS9 first came out, I gave the first few episodes a shot but didn't bother following it. After my TNG re-watch I may go back and try to give the series another try. In my opinion, I think Counselor Troi did the biggest disservice to both Data and Lieutenant D'Sora. She gives some warning about how a relationship isn't just a program, and that it can have real consequences to a person's emotional well-being, but then goes on to give Data the impression that he can actually have a romantic relationship right after he rightly points out that he has no feelings. Her specific advice was "You'll have to be more than the sum of your programming." Given that she's both a counselor and a woman (who presumably understands how another woman might feel in this situation -- at least, better than an android), I just found it to be either incredibly naive or incredibly irresponsible. It was a version of the phenomenon where people tend to ascribe feelings to something just because it looks or acts human. It's possible that Klingons might age faster, but that seems like a retcon type of explanation. As for "the act" -- it's implied that their tryst on the holodeck in season 2 was the first time. Afterwards, Worf states that since they've now consummated their relationship, the honorable thing to do would to be to make it official and become husband and wife, which leads to an argument. That scene wouldn't make a lot of sense if they have previously been intimate with each other. Here's another one. Not so much a plot hole per se, but rather a ST convention that really doesn't make sense when you think about it. I just watched the Darmok episode, and it really highlights the absurdity of all aliens speaking English. You can ignore it in most episodes, and chalk it up to the fact that it would be impractical to make up a new language every time the Enterprise encounters a new alien species that doesn't have some magical ability to speak English (universal translator, vastly superior intellect, etc). But the Darmok episode deals directly with the fact that the Federation isn't able to comprehend the aliens' langauge. It's just weird that the big conflict comes from the fact that they are having trouble understanding the analogical nature of the language, and not the actual words themselves, which just happen to be in English! |
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Post by shaxper on Dec 2, 2015 18:18:41 GMT -5
I always liked them. Have you followed Worf's story arc through Deep Space Nine? Man, his final final Klingon politics episode rocked my world. I stood up and cheered aloud. I haven't really watched any Star Trek after TNG. When DS9 first came out, I gave the first few episodes a shot but didn't bother following it. After my TNG re-watch I may go back and try to give the series another try. It doesn't win you over all at once, but by Season 3, it's pretty much the best Trek series ever. I still prefer TNG in some respects, but in others DS9 is clearly superior. A lot of Trek is built upon convenience, of course. Why do two Starships always meet both facing right side up? How do they keep time constant while moving around at multiples of warp speed? When you beam someone somewhere, are you magically folding them through space in a way that even starships can't travel, or are you cloning them and then destroying the original? Why is there sound when a ship jumps to warp speed or fires phasers, etc? |
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Post by Randle-El on Dec 2, 2015 23:02:36 GMT -5
A lot of Trek is built upon convenience, of course. Why do two Starships always meet both facing right side up? How do they keep time constant while moving around at multiples of warp speed? When you beam someone somewhere, are you magically folding them through space in a way that even starships can't travel, or are you cloning them and then destroying the original? Why is there sound when a ship jumps to warp speed or fires phasers, etc? Oh, you're absolutely right about all of that. Genre fiction always indulges in certain absurdities that require suspension of disbelief. My point with the comment about the Darmok episode is that it very blatantly brings the language absurdity to the front and center. The Federation encounters an alien species with an incomprehensible language and the strangest thing about it is the way they speak by analogy, and not the fact that it's in English? By the way, that was one of my favorite episodes of TNG, so I have no problem embracing absurdities.  |
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Post by sunofdarkchild on Dec 3, 2015 3:25:26 GMT -5
A lot of Trek is built upon convenience, of course. Why do two Starships always meet both facing right side up? How do they keep time constant while moving around at multiples of warp speed? When you beam someone somewhere, are you magically folding them through space in a way that even starships can't travel, or are you cloning them and then destroying the original? Why is there sound when a ship jumps to warp speed or fires phasers, etc? Oh, you're absolutely right about all of that. Genre fiction always indulges in certain absurdities that require suspension of disbelief. My point with the comment about the Darmok episode is that it very blatantly brings the language absurdity to the front and center. The Federation encounters an alien species with an incomprehensible language and the strangest thing about it is the way they speak by analogy, and not the fact that it's in English? By the way, that was one of my favorite episodes of TNG, so I have no problem embracing absurdities. Everyone in Star Trek wears universal translators in their ears. It translates most languages into English and vice versa. In Deep Space Nine there was an episode where Quark's translator broke and it was revealed that he never knew a word of English and no one could understand him and he couldn't understand them until it was fixed. Some languages take longer for the translators to work, and in the case of Darmok the translators were shown to function too literally. |
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Post by sunofdarkchild on Dec 3, 2015 3:33:53 GMT -5
My thoughts on each series.
TOS-The most consistently good show. At times great, and never unwatchable thanks to the dynamic of the 'big 3.'
TNG-I actually find he cast to be pretty weak. Picard, Riker, Data, and eventually Worf are all fine, but aside from that everyone is forgettable to annoying. The first season is dreadful, the second only has a few good episodes. seasons 3-7 are very good, and Best of Both Worlds is one of the best episodes of any tv show.
DS9-I love this show. The best overall cast in the franchise (when factoring in secondary characters-no one compares to the TOS big 3). The most morally realistic series. Actually had some great episodes in season 1 and hit its stride much earlier that TNG. And had a strong grasp on continuity.
VOY-utter crap. Only 7 and the Doctor are at all likeable. Everyone else can go die for all I care. Of the episodes I've seen the only one that was any good whatsoever was Scorpion.
ENT-I really liked it as a kid, but if it came out today and I didn't have nostalgia for it I think I'd hate the first 2 seasons. Seasons 3 and 4 are still kind of good, but nothing special.
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