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Post by Pharozonk on Dec 12, 2015 23:11:41 GMT -5
^ ^ ^ I may or may not be following, but I've always thought that the purpose of the clearly stereotypical portrayals of many alien species was to serve as a kind of reflector of our own predjudice...? I always took it as a way to show a subversion of stereotypes rather than an enforcement of them. Each series often had episodes where characters assumed something about an alien based on stereotypes, but were ultimately shown to be wrong in their pre-judgements (i.e. the honorable Romulans in "Balance of Terror"). |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Dec 13, 2015 23:20:31 GMT -5
I started a long chronological viewing of Star Trek TOS, TNG and Deep Space Nine earlier today. It's been years since I watched The Cage, but I enjoyed it. I didn't realize until today, thanks to a Star Trek website, that The Cage didn't air for the first time until 1988. Obviously I only thought I saw this pre-1988 and was actually remembering clips from The Menagerie I & II.
I'm going to watch them all in production order on Netflix. I don't understand why a DVD/Blue-ray set, or Netflix, would still list old shows likes this by air date as opposed to when they were produced. The air date schedule was based on what the networks at the time thought would get the best ratings and that's not a consideration here, obviously.
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Post by shaxper on Dec 13, 2015 23:31:40 GMT -5
I don't understand why a DVD/Blue-ray set, or Netflix, would still list old shows likes this by air date as opposed to when they were produced. The air date schedule was based on what the networks at the time thought would get the best ratings and that's not a consideration here, obviously. Drives me crazy, especially in Season One of TNG, where the continuity is blatantly out of order in some of the episodes, especially towards the second half of the season. |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Dec 14, 2015 2:07:39 GMT -5
Same here. I'm just glad that it's so easy to find out information like production order nowadays. I think we've become extra sensitive to this sort of thing since most modern shows are unwatchable out of order given the ongoing story arcs.
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Post by Pharozonk on Dec 14, 2015 13:53:52 GMT -5
I'm almost embarrassed to be a Beastie Boys fan after watching this.  |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 14, 2015 18:19:21 GMT -5
I'm almost embarrassed to be a Beastie Boys fan after watching this. Why's that? It was a slightly weird inclusion here in the trailer but other than that it looked good to me. |
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Post by Pharozonk on Dec 14, 2015 19:54:40 GMT -5
I'm almost embarrassed to be a Beastie Boys fan after watching this. Why's that? It was a slightly weird inclusion here in the trailer but other than that it looked good to me. To me, that trailer almost felt like self parody though. It's as if they took all the complaints that Trek fans had with the first movie and mashed up together just to piss them off (out of place 20th century music, over-reliance on action beats, etc.) |
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Post by shaxper on Dec 14, 2015 20:06:29 GMT -5
Same here. I'm just glad that it's so easy to find out information like production order nowadays. I think we've become extra sensitive to this sort of thing since most modern shows are unwatchable out of order given the ongoing story arcs. It mattered to me back then too. You could tell that, with TNG, they were never sure how much continuity to build in, but at the end of Season One, they really made a concerted effort to have a developing series of B plots in the background, and the broadcast order made a complete mess of this. |
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Post by Action Ace on Dec 14, 2015 20:30:41 GMT -5
As a kid when I watched the Menagerie, I thought the blond actor played by Peter Duryea was actually a young Captain Kirk.
And it wasn't until The Cage finally aired in 1988 that I learned about Number One's demotion to Nurse.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Dec 14, 2015 21:03:49 GMT -5
I watched "Where No Man Has Gone Before" today. I think Leonard Nimoy's gradual evolution of Spock mirrors Brent Spinner's evolution of Data in many ways. I can tell that both actors, early on, were trying to get a handle on playing characters without emotions. Both characters started off a bit smug, even to the point of smirking and smiling early on, but once both actors got a handle on playing their characters, they achieved a mixture of dignity and intensity they really made the characters take off. This is yet another reason why production order is the best.
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Post by dupersuper on Dec 15, 2015 2:22:44 GMT -5
As a kid when I watched the Menagerie, I thought the blond actor played by Peter Duryea was actually a young Captain Kirk. And it wasn't until The Cage finally aired in 1988 that I learned about Number One's demotion to Nurse. It's all good: she was a doctor by the first movie, an ambassador by TNG...and some how a computer all through the 24th century...literally if you get into the New Frontier novels...and Number One was a commodore in Byrnes comic books...and I don't even know how to work in her TAS voices into this... |
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Post by dupersuper on Dec 15, 2015 2:25:27 GMT -5
SF Debris sums up my feelings about Voyager pretty well. |
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Post by DE Sinclair on Dec 15, 2015 9:16:14 GMT -5
As a kid when I watched the Menagerie, I thought the blond actor played by Peter Duryea was actually a young Captain Kirk. And it wasn't until The Cage finally aired in 1988 that I learned about Number One's demotion to Nurse. But she was eventually promoted to "Roddenberry's Wife". |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 15, 2015 10:42:43 GMT -5
Why's that? It was a slightly weird inclusion here in the trailer but other than that it looked good to me. To me, that trailer almost felt like self parody though. It's as if they took all the complaints that Trek fans had with the first movie and mashed up together just to piss them off (out of place 20th century music, over-reliance on action beats, etc.) If it pissed off a few dudes, but still remained a cool trailer I'm okay with that. |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Dec 15, 2015 21:02:32 GMT -5
Watched The Corbonite Maneuver and Mudd's Women today. I'm enjoying the CGI effects of the remastered episodes. They're very well done and seamlessly integrate into the original footage.
The end of Mudd's Women bugged me, though. Kirk gives Eve a placebo, instead of the real Venus drug, and we find out that Eve's beauty is natural and based on her self-confidence. I suppose her ability to apply makeup and do her hair, in an instant as if by magic, is based on self-confidence as well? This odd, fairy-tale ending seemed out of place in Star Trek. I chalk it up to it being very early in the series. Though the fact that it was written by Gene Roddenberry isn't surprising. That guy loved the ladies by all accounts.
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