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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 12:40:33 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I read Brutalis' intent to mean passionate fans, which is cool, but reading a cool post and seeing seeing true fans used for me is like cruising down the highway with friends and great music, everything is cool until your tire blows out and sends everything careening into a hideous crash and burn result.
-M
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Post by brutalis on Oct 30, 2017 13:24:51 GMT -5
Yes, by true fans i meant to say those any and all who know the differences between TOS and Continues and Star Wars or other science fiction. Folks who can appreciate that this is NOT original Trek but a bunch of people who grew up loving the Original series enough and wishing they could be a part of the world of Trek and honor the ideas and thoughts behind it while creating new stories. The Continues crew could have easily chosen gimmick over substance but they intentionally set out to recreate what made TOS special in the 1st place.
They actually went out of their way with Continues. Getting original sets and costume designs. Keeping the look, tone and style of the television series. Keeping the essence of the original actors and telling stories with an emphasis on plot and human elements versus special effects and CGI. They wanted to make more Trek, not their own idea or version of Trek.
Addendum: also meant to say what a pleasure to sit and watch a "movie" with like minded people who aren't talking throughout, making remarks that interrupt the story, conversations for what is showing in comparing it to other Trek episodes and so forth. Just people enjoying a great science fiction story in a world we know and enjoy and accepting the good fellowship of a crowd intent on watching and respecting others who are watching and then discussing after and not DURING.
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Post by Jesse on Oct 31, 2017 1:29:22 GMT -5
I finally started reading Star Trek The Next Generation Mirror Broken after picking up the #0 issue way back on FCBD. There's only four issue out so far and I think it's definitely working checking out. I really like how the J.K. Woodward artwork feels painted and the likenesses of the actors are quite good. It's interesting seeing these versions of the characters because while they aren't the heroes we are used to you still can't help but root for them despite how ruthless this universe is. It's a shame there are only 6 issues in total scheduled because I could read this as a long running series even though it's just an alternate evil reality.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Oct 31, 2017 3:10:23 GMT -5
I listen to John Siuntres' Word Balloon podcast. He's a huge Trek fan and often voices his frustration that Star Trek is all prequels and remakes now and no longer moves forward, a point that I completely agree with. He's wondered a few times if it's a rights issue. I'm vaguely aware that CBS and Viacom both have a stake in Trek.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 2, 2017 14:48:35 GMT -5
Apparently the show is ending because of the legal situation of the projected fan-film "Axanar". That production raised a million bucks, but was clearly no longer a mere fan film... It had become a commercial enterprise that was walking all over the IP rights of CBS and Paramount. This caused a lawsuit, which was settled early this year.
Unfortunately for Star Trek Continues fans, the situation prompted CBS and Paramount to write up guidelines for any future fan film. They are as follows:
1- A Star Trek fan film film must be less than 15 minutes for a single self-contained story, or no more than 2 parts, not to exceed 30 minutes total.
2- The title cannot include the name “Star Trek.”
3- The film cannot use reproductions, recreations or clips from any Star Trek production.
4- Commercially-available Star Trek uniforms and props must be official merchandise and not bootleg items or imitations.
5- All creators and actors must be amateurs and work without compensation. They cannot be currently or previously employed on any Star Trek series or film.
6- Fan productions must be non-commercial: fund-raising cannot exceed $50,000. There can be no charge for viewing them. They cannot generate revenue online. They cannot be put on DVDs or Blu-ray disks. They cannot generate revenues in any way, period.
7- The film must be family friendly and suitable for public presentation.
8- A long disclaimer must be added to the credits, the text of which is given by CBS and Paramount.
9- CBS and Paramount can pull the plug at any time.
Although CBS and Paramount had no problem with STC as it was, these new guidelines clearly prevent further episodes. The last episodes will use up the rest of the money that was donated, and that will be that.
There were only a few more episodes planned anyway, but it's still a shame that such a great, fan-based endeavour has to end early because of the overreach of a few entrepreneurs who don't quite grasp what intellectual property rights are.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Nov 2, 2017 17:03:18 GMT -5
Apparently the show is ending because of the legal situation of the projected fan-film "Axanar". That production raised a million bucks, but was clearly no longer a mere fan film... It had become a commercial enterprise that was walking all over the IP rights of CBS and Paramount. This caused a lawsuit, which was settled early this year. Unfortunately for Star Trek Continues fans, the situation prompted CBS and Paramount to write up guidelines for any future fan film. They are as follows: 1- A Star Trek fan film film must be less than 15 minutes for a single self-contained story, or no more than 2 parts, not to exceed 30 minutes total. 2- The title cannot include the name “Star Trek.” 3- The film cannot use reproductions, recreations or clips from any Star Trek production. 4- Commercially-available Star Trek uniforms and props must be official merchandise and not bootleg items or imitations. 5- All creators and actors must be amateurs and work without compensation. They cannot be currently or previously employed on any Star Trek series or film. 6- Fan productions must be non-commercial: fund-raising cannot exceed $50,000. There can be no charge for viewing them. They cannot generate revenue online. They cannot be put on DVDs or Blu-ray disks. They cannot generate revenues in any way, period. 7- The film must be family friendly and suitable for public presentation. 8- A long disclaimer must be added to the credits, the text of which is given by CBS and Paramount. 9- CBS and Paramount can pull the plug at any time. Although CBS and Paramount had no problem with STC as it was, these new guidelines clearly prevent further episodes. The last episodes will use up the rest of the money that was donated, and that will be that. There were only a few more episodes planned anyway, but it's still a shame that such a great, fan-based endeavour has to end early because of the overreach of a few entrepreneurs who don't quite grasp what intellectual property rights are. It's definitely one of the strictest protections I've ever seen, and part of me wonders if it would really hold up in court. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 22:48:18 GMT -5
Apparently the show is ending because of the legal situation of the projected fan-film "Axanar". That production raised a million bucks, but was clearly no longer a mere fan film... It had become a commercial enterprise that was walking all over the IP rights of CBS and Paramount. This caused a lawsuit, which was settled early this year. Unfortunately for Star Trek Continues fans, the situation prompted CBS and Paramount to write up guidelines for any future fan film. They are as follows: 1- A Star Trek fan film film must be less than 15 minutes for a single self-contained story, or no more than 2 parts, not to exceed 30 minutes total. 2- The title cannot include the name “Star Trek.” 3- The film cannot use reproductions, recreations or clips from any Star Trek production. 4- Commercially-available Star Trek uniforms and props must be official merchandise and not bootleg items or imitations. 5- All creators and actors must be amateurs and work without compensation. They cannot be currently or previously employed on any Star Trek series or film. 6- Fan productions must be non-commercial: fund-raising cannot exceed $50,000. There can be no charge for viewing them. They cannot generate revenue online. They cannot be put on DVDs or Blu-ray disks. They cannot generate revenues in any way, period. 7- The film must be family friendly and suitable for public presentation. 8- A long disclaimer must be added to the credits, the text of which is given by CBS and Paramount. 9- CBS and Paramount can pull the plug at any time. Although CBS and Paramount had no problem with STC as it was, these new guidelines clearly prevent further episodes. The last episodes will use up the rest of the money that was donated, and that will be that. There were only a few more episodes planned anyway, but it's still a shame that such a great, fan-based endeavour has to end early because of the overreach of a few entrepreneurs who don't quite grasp what intellectual property rights are. It's definitely one of the strictest protections I've ever seen, and part of me wonders if it would really hold up in court. Have you met Disney and there lightning quick cease and desist letters for any business using a likeness of a Disney character from day care centers to art studios without permission or payment to Disney to license the likeness? -M |
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Post by Dizzy D on Nov 3, 2017 7:13:39 GMT -5
Apparently the show is ending because of the legal situation of the projected fan-film "Axanar". That production raised a million bucks, but was clearly no longer a mere fan film... It had become a commercial enterprise that was walking all over the IP rights of CBS and Paramount. This caused a lawsuit, which was settled early this year. Unfortunately for Star Trek Continues fans, the situation prompted CBS and Paramount to write up guidelines for any future fan film. They are as follows: 1- A Star Trek fan film film must be less than 15 minutes for a single self-contained story, or no more than 2 parts, not to exceed 30 minutes total. 2- The title cannot include the name “Star Trek.” 3- The film cannot use reproductions, recreations or clips from any Star Trek production. 4- Commercially-available Star Trek uniforms and props must be official merchandise and not bootleg items or imitations. 5- All creators and actors must be amateurs and work without compensation. They cannot be currently or previously employed on any Star Trek series or film. 6- Fan productions must be non-commercial: fund-raising cannot exceed $50,000. There can be no charge for viewing them. They cannot generate revenue online. They cannot be put on DVDs or Blu-ray disks. They cannot generate revenues in any way, period. 7- The film must be family friendly and suitable for public presentation. 8- A long disclaimer must be added to the credits, the text of which is given by CBS and Paramount. 9- CBS and Paramount can pull the plug at any time. Although CBS and Paramount had no problem with STC as it was, these new guidelines clearly prevent further episodes. The last episodes will use up the rest of the money that was donated, and that will be that. There were only a few more episodes planned anyway, but it's still a shame that such a great, fan-based endeavour has to end early because of the overreach of a few entrepreneurs who don't quite grasp what intellectual property rights are. It's definitely one of the strictest protections I've ever seen, and part of me wonders if it would really hold up in court. I don't think it's that bad. Most companies would just go "No." and that's it. At least they allow for fanfilms. IANAL, but >1- A Star Trek fan film film must be less than 15 minutes for a single self-contained story, or no more than 2 parts, not to exceed 30 minutes total. Kinda arbitrary. >2- The title cannot include the name “Star Trek.” That one makes sense. Protection of trademark pretty much requires this of them. >3- The film cannot use reproductions, recreations or clips from any Star Trek production. Protection of copyright I guess? Makes sense to me. ~4- Commercially-available Star Trek uniforms and props must be official merchandise and not bootleg items or imitations. This one, I don't agree with (and I think that this one would be hard to enforce in court), but it's pretty clear why they want this. ~5- All creators and actors must be amateurs and work without compensation. They cannot be currently or previously employed on any Star Trek series or film. Another one I don't agree with (remembers the Dirty Laundry fan film that had Thomas Jane in it). If an actor wants to do this, just let them. >6- Fan productions must be non-commercial: fund-raising cannot exceed $50,000. There can be no charge for viewing them. They cannot generate revenue online. They cannot be put on DVDs or Blu-ray disks. They cannot generate revenues in any way, period. Fair enough. I think this is another requirement to protect your own trademark. > 7- The film must be family friendly and suitable for public presentation. Protecting their own IP again. >8- A long disclaimer must be added to the credits, the text of which is given by CBS and Paramount. Protecting their own IP again. >9- CBS and Paramount can pull the plug at any time. Wel.. obviously. |
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Post by String on Nov 4, 2017 11:04:57 GMT -5
Gotcha, @mrp . Sorry for the confusion. I, too, am annoyed by how some fans insist that you enjoy something just the way they do and for the same reasons, no exception allowed. Dave Sim had a nice spoof of them in Cerebus! Doctor Who fandom has Trekkies beat on this aspect by a country mile. On some Who forum boards that I've visited, I've seen examples of how Who fandom can be one of the most stubborn and obstinate in how one should only enjoy the character in this way or that way and any deviation in any form is just plain blasphemy. What rubbish. I did not know that Brannon Braga was an executive producer on The Orville. I may really need to watch it now. |
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Post by Jesse on Nov 4, 2017 13:59:12 GMT -5
The Orville episode "Into the Fold" is the best and most Trek feeling of the series thus far. Penny Johnson Jerald the actress who plays the doctor really did an outstanding job. Not even MacFarlane's lame jokes could ruin it. I do like Norm Macdonald as a gelatinous alien blob though.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 4, 2017 21:41:40 GMT -5
The Orville episode "Into the Fold" is the best and most Trek feeling of the series thus far. Penny Johnson Jerald the actress who plays the doctor really did an outstanding job. Not even MacFarlane's lame jokes could ruin it. I do like Norm Macdonald as a gelatinous alien blob though. I was under the impression that is was going to be a spoof... it's not? |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Nov 5, 2017 8:26:37 GMT -5
The Orville episode "Into the Fold" is the best and most Trek feeling of the series thus far. Penny Johnson Jerald the actress who plays the doctor really did an outstanding job. Not even MacFarlane's lame jokes could ruin it. I do like Norm Macdonald as a gelatinous alien blob though. I was under the impression that is was going to be a spoof... it's not? No, it's a just a sci-fi show with a lighter tone. I'm not a huge Mcfarlane fan but this is surprisingly good. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 16:36:48 GMT -5
I was under the impression that is was going to be a spoof... it's not? No, it's a just a sci-fi show with a lighter tone. I'm not a huge Mcfarlane fan but this is surprisingly good. Just watched the first two episodes of The Orville. I'm surprised I liked it because I'm not a MacFarlane fan... |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 16, 2017 20:43:56 GMT -5
I’ve just watched the final episode of Star Trek Continues, “To boldly go, part II”... and wow, what a series finale that was, concluding both this fan production and the five year mission of the Enterprise. Tying up the end of TOS and the first Trek movie might have been a little too fannish for my taste, but the episode itself was gripping. A word to the producers of Star Trek: into darkness: if you want to recapture the excitement, the camaraderie and the drama of The Wrath of Khan, this is how you do it (and for a tiny fraction of the budget, too!) I was surprised by the bold choices made for this final episode. Quite unexpected given the tone of the preceding ones, but not inappropriate... and definitely suited to a finale. The whole experiment of Star Trek continues was inspiring. If fans on a shoestring budget can produce something of that quality, there might be hope for the franchise after all. My hat is off to all the people involved. That being said, a few personal comments (spoilers). {Spoiler: Click to show}
Kirk becoming an admiral due to a near-depression at losing so many crew members strike me as wrong. Yes, the man is compassionate (and not only passionate), but his behaviour from Star Trek: the motion picture suggests that his being promoted was due to his ambition as well as to his skills. He jumped on the opportunity to get a command chair again after a few years at a desk job, and showed absolutely no qualm about the possibility of losing more people. Heck, he hadn't been five minutes on the refitted Enterprise that he lost two crew members to a teleporter accident and hardly even batted an eyelash.
Spock deciding to leave Starfleet and undergo Kolinahr due to his experience in this episode made a lot more sense, but it seemed a little too convenient, a little too fanfictionish. The novel "The missing years", back in the late '80s, also had Spock leave Starfleet because of a broken heart.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Nov 16, 2017 22:21:36 GMT -5
I'm going need to catch up on Continues, I watched the first few episodes and loved it.
As for Discovery, I really liked the mid season finale and I can't wait for it to start back up in January.
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