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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 25, 2023 13:48:08 GMT -5
I still haven't been able to bring myself to try any of these new Star Trek shows or movies with different actors playing younger versions of Uhura, Spock, Scotty, etc. I suppose because it's happened so late in the day from my POV as someone who grew up with the old show that I just can't imagine enjoying those characters in any other way. In contrast to a character like James Bond that already had several different incarnations by the time I became aware of it. I might be able to overlook that issue long enough to at least look at something if I heard anything else that made it sound attractive but so far nothing has drawn me in. The only thing they have going for them is their connection with the original series and since I get the impression (rightly or wrongly) that there isn't much real connection, I don't feel any incentive to watch. Maybe one day I'll try something, whether on purpose or by accident, and find that I like it after all - which is what happened to me with the Next Generation after ignoring it the first few years. Have you tried the Star Trek Continues fan-made series? Unlike the new spin-offs, it doesn't pointlessly contradict continuity (which is probably not a big deal to new viewers, but still annoys me somewhat) and is surprisingly well-written. That the son of James Doohan plays Scotty is also a major plus in my book!
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Post by EdoBosnar on Jun 25, 2023 16:11:08 GMT -5
Have you tried the Star Trek Continues fan-made series? Unlike the new spin-offs, it doesn't pointlessly contradict continuity (which is probably not a big deal to new viewers, but still annoys me somewhat) and is surprisingly well-written. That the son of James Doohan plays Scotty is also a major plus in my book! (...) Yes, very much second this recommendation. I'd also recommend a similar series of fan-made TOS episodes called Star Trek: New Voyages (formerly known as ST: Phase II). It's similarly very well-made and very well-written - one of the episodes was written by TOS veteran David Gerrold, and both George Takei and Walter Koenig (among others) make guest appearances in different episodes. You can watch them at that link above, but I think - like Star Trek Continues - they're all up on YouTube as well.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 25, 2023 20:32:29 GMT -5
I haven't watched a run of the above cited fan series; but have caught some bits and pieces and they are very well done and have the feel of the original far more than anything I saw in the sequel series. Any Trek that doesn't descend into techno-babble and has some gold old-fashioned swashbuckling action and an engineer who can fix something by crossing two wires, and not give a 20 minute dissertation about the theory behind it, is Trek, in my book! Next Gen had its moments; but, between college and too many scenes at a conference table and not enough dropkicking Klingons, I just couldn't get into it and the later series had bigger problems, for me. Not that they were badly done; just, they didn't have the same attraction and seemed to be missing what was great about the originals.
One of the things was that original Trek was flawed, but idealistic. For all the talk of the federation and the prime directive, they violated things left and right. They aspired to a utopia, but still had petty officers and diplomats, scheming enemies and misunderstandings. New Trek just came across as a bit more pompous, at times, like the Federation had no issues and it was just the weird, backwards aliens. Once Roddenbery was less involved, that softened a bit; but, I never felt the writing was at the same level as the original. I always felt the books were better than New trek episodes, even the really good ones. Again, an individual episode could be entertaining enough and even quite good; but, it just never felt consistent enough to make me want to tune in every week or every season.
Babylon 5, when it came along, gave me a lot of that and other things that I craved. It had the great character speeches, the "F@#$ YEAH!" moments, the occasionally dodgy effect moment. It wasn't perfect; mankind was still F-ed up, 300 years into the future. Utopias don't come that quickly. People still fear what they don't know and understand. People look for advantages over others. People still play politics. The updated Battlestar Galactica was another that hit with me. I was dismissive when it was being developed and launched; but, when I watched it, I saw they were doing something completely different, but had little nods to the things that were really great in the original. Plus, they didn't try to wrap things up at the end of 52 minutes.
Don't get me wrong, I still prefer New Trek tv over the rebooted movies (especially the lack of lens flares and bad science) and even New Trek Movies over New Star Wars Movies.
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Post by berkley on Jun 25, 2023 23:35:51 GMT -5
I still haven't been able to bring myself to try any of these new Star Trek shows or movies with different actors playing younger versions of Uhura, Spock, Scotty, etc. I suppose because it's happened so late in the day from my POV as someone who grew up with the old show that I just can't imagine enjoying those characters in any other way. In contrast to a character like James Bond that already had several different incarnations by the time I became aware of it. I might be able to overlook that issue long enough to at least look at something if I heard anything else that made it sound attractive but so far nothing has drawn me in. The only thing they have going for them is their connection with the original series and since I get the impression (rightly or wrongly) that there isn't much real connection, I don't feel any incentive to watch. Maybe one day I'll try something, whether on purpose or by accident, and find that I like it after all - which is what happened to me with the Next Generation after ignoring it the first few years. Have you tried the Star Trek Continues fan-made series? Unlike the new spin-offs, it doesn't pointlessly contradict continuity (which is probably not a big deal to new viewers, but still annoys me somewhat) and is surprisingly well-written. That the son of James Doohan plays Scotty is also a major plus in my book!
No I forgot about those, thanks for the reminder. I'm more likely to try those than any other Star Trek related to the original series, as most of the cast for the younger versions seem the wrong physical types to me - Zoe Saldana for example is too slender to play a convincing Uhura. ". But probably Picard will be the Star Trek series I try next.
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Post by majestic on Jun 27, 2023 14:04:26 GMT -5
Thanks for the heads up. Just finished Star Trek Continues. Really enjoyed it except for a few minor quibbles (not tribbles...haha).Hopefully will get to start Star Trek New Voyages soon.
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Post by majestic on Jun 28, 2023 21:36:00 GMT -5
I'm not enjoying Star Trek New Voyages as much as Star Trek Continues. The special effects are good but the acting makes it feel like a parody. The stories on STC were much better. Hopefully STNV gets better.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 30, 2023 15:05:12 GMT -5
I'm not enjoying Star Trek New Voyages as much as Star Trek Continues. Same here. I bailed out on New Voyages. I found it a little too fan-fictionish, if you see what I mean; in contrast, ST Continues felt like genuine TOS episodes that had never been shot until now.
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Post by majestic on Jul 2, 2023 9:03:42 GMT -5
I'm not enjoying Star Trek New Voyages as much as Star Trek Continues. Same here. I bailed out on New Voyages. I found it a little too fan-fictionish, if you see what I mean; in contrast, ST Continues felt like genuine TOS episodes that had never been shot until now. I pushed thru it. The last 4 episodes were entertaining.
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Post by majestic on Jul 6, 2023 20:21:37 GMT -5
And yet another great episode of Strange New Worlds. This one hit close to home with me. My mom is in the final stages of Alzheimer's and the loss of her memories is difficult. I can imagine some of her fear and frustration from her sense of loss but not really knowing what she has lost...
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jul 9, 2023 3:29:45 GMT -5
And yet another great episode of Strange New Worlds. This one hit close to home with me. My mom is in the final stages of Alzheimer's and the loss of her memories is difficult. I can imagine some of her fear and frustration from her sense of loss but not really knowing what she has lost... Yeah, the thing with following your totem was really well done and definitely reminded me of real life coping strategies for memory loss. I also loved that instead of a killer computer AI we got a helpful one.
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Post by majestic on Jul 13, 2023 11:37:46 GMT -5
This episode wasn't as good as the last few episodes. It leaned too heavily into the humor aspect for me. However I did like most of it. Seeing Spock's Mom and his relationship with her was a big plus. As we get more into this series and it seems to contradict TOS I don't really care. With the big disconnect from the original Enterprise's interior because of better effects I have decided to enjoy the series on its own merits. I don't care if it deviates from "canon". Plus I love this version of Chapel and want to see more of her character. Her and M'Benga characters may be my favorites.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 13, 2023 12:58:59 GMT -5
This episode wasn't as good as the last few episodes. It leaned too heavily into the humor aspect for me. However I did like most of it. Seeing Spock's Mom and his relationship with her was a big plus. As we get more into this series and it seems to contradict TOS I don't really care. With the big disconnect from the original Enterprise's interior because of better effects I have decided to enjoy the series on its own merits. I don't care if it deviates from "canon". Plus I love this version of Chapel and want to see more of her character. Her and M'Benga characters may be my favorites. Having watched the first season and enjoyed it despite its flagrant contradictions with TOS, that's the way I roll too. I'd even encourage the showrunners to embrace their "other timeline" freedom and forget about the TOS canon entirely, and do their own things. No need to make a 180 degrees turn by having (say) Kirk die or the Borg show up, but expanding Chapel's role, exploring Spock's family life, making the Gorn the big baddies or having genetically-enhanced humans be a thing that people actually know about, that's all fine.
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Post by sunofdarkchild on Jul 14, 2023 3:28:06 GMT -5
The writing for Spock continues to be pretty bad. The latest episode ends with him saying that Vulcan emotions are more intense than human emotions, which while consistent with past canon undermines the entire premise of the episode. Being entirely human and experiencing these less intense human emotions should make it easier for Spock to suppress them, not harder. Vulcans aren't unemotional because they are born that way like the incubators from Madoka Magica. They are very emotional creatures and go through intense mental training and discipline to suppress their emotions. Becoming human does not cause Spock to suddenly forget all of his training and discipline. They tried to have their cake and eat it too here, but it doesn't work at all.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jul 14, 2023 15:03:22 GMT -5
This episode wasn't as good as the last few episodes. It leaned too heavily into the humor aspect for me. However I did like most of it. Seeing Spock's Mom and his relationship with her was a big plus. As we get more into this series and it seems to contradict TOS I don't really care. With the big disconnect from the original Enterprise's interior because of better effects I have decided to enjoy the series on its own merits. I don't care if it deviates from "canon". Plus I love this version of Chapel and want to see more of her character. Her and M'Benga characters may be my favorites. I didn't think I was going to like this episode as we already got an extended nightmare with Spock fearing he had turned human...but I actually liked it a fair bit and I didn't mind the humor at all. Full disclosure though, I've always loved humor in my Star Trek and consider the Voyage Home to be the best Star Trek film ever made.
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Post by majestic on Jul 14, 2023 15:25:05 GMT -5
This episode wasn't as good as the last few episodes. It leaned too heavily into the humor aspect for me. However I did like most of it. Seeing Spock's Mom and his relationship with her was a big plus. As we get more into this series and it seems to contradict TOS I don't really care. With the big disconnect from the original Enterprise's interior because of better effects I have decided to enjoy the series on its own merits. I don't care if it deviates from "canon". Plus I love this version of Chapel and want to see more of her character. Her and M'Benga characters may be my favorites. I didn't think I was going to like this episode as we already got an extended nightmare with Spock fearing he had turned human...but I actually liked it a fair bit and I didn't mind the humor at all. Full disclosure though, I've always loved humor in my Star Trek and consider the Voyage Home to be the best Star Trek film ever made. Mine is The Undiscovered Country.
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