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Post by tingramretro on Aug 16, 2016 17:22:15 GMT -5
MAD Magazine (the UK version of) had a pretty big impact on my culture as a teen growing up in the England and has definitely effected the way in which I view the world as an adult. However, I'm not sure it much of a mainstream impact over here, which I think is what tingramretro is getting at. In my experience, not many adults really knew what MAD was in the '70s or '80s. The likes of Punch or Private Eye were, and in the case of the latter, much more influential satirical publications over here. I would agree with that.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 16, 2016 17:23:03 GMT -5
I'm not sure I can say much more than that. Dell Comics were omnipresent in households from their inception through the split with Whitman. Of the comics that my Mom remembered from her youth they were all either Dell or another contender MLJ/Archie. Obviously if it was just based on their super-hero output MLJ wouldn't rate much of a nod. But Archie and his progeny were a huge force in Comics. The other comic my Mom always remember was Katy Keene, the Pin-Up Queen. Archie was a huge presence and a big influence. Depending on how you define the "Golden Age" you can make a very strong case for EC. I would argue that Mad Comic/Magazine had a greater impact on our culture than almost any other comic. On whose culture? We never saw Dell Comics, either... Considering I'm in the U.S. and I said our...I meant American culture.
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Post by tingramretro on Aug 16, 2016 17:24:28 GMT -5
On whose culture? We never saw Dell Comics, either... Considering I'm in the U.S. and I said our...I meant American culture. Ah, but I'm not.
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Post by Confessor on Aug 16, 2016 17:25:53 GMT -5
Dell didn't have a presence in the UK??? Now that's surprising. Not that I recall. Marvel, DC, Harvey, Charlton, even Gold Key, but I don't recall ever seeing Dell comics anywhere. I would agree with this. I never saw Dell comics as a kid either and, in fact, I didn't even know they existed until I joined this forum at the old CBR site. I never saw Gold Keys either and Charltons were available but much rarer than American Marvels and DCs -- which were pretty rare themselves, relatively speaking. I think that was because I was living out in the home counties, rather than in a big city though. I seem to recall having discussed this with tingramretro before and he saw more non-big two published comics than I did back in the day because he grew up in a city or major town.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 16, 2016 17:27:19 GMT -5
Dell didn't have a presence in the UK??? Now that's surprising. Not that I recall. Marvel, DC, Harvey, Charlton, even Gold Key, but I don't recall ever seeing Dell comics anywhere. Well I know a lot of the Dell Disney stories made their way to Europe around this time (I can't specifically speak to the UK), so if Dell wasn't distributing them directly, then I assume someone was reprinting them. Super Goof, for example, began in a Dell story, but then expanded out into an entirely distinct property in Europe.
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Post by tingramretro on Aug 16, 2016 17:29:15 GMT -5
Not that I recall. Marvel, DC, Harvey, Charlton, even Gold Key, but I don't recall ever seeing Dell comics anywhere. Well I know a lot of the Dell Disney stories made their way to Europe around this time (I can't specifically speak to the UK), so if Dell wasn't distributing them directly, then I assume someone was reprinting them. Super Goof, for example, began in a Dell story, but then expanded out into an entirely distinct property in Europe. Super Goof appeared in a number of licensed titles in the UK, none of them by Dell. I think IPC Magazines was one.
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Post by tingramretro on Aug 16, 2016 17:31:29 GMT -5
Not that I recall. Marvel, DC, Harvey, Charlton, even Gold Key, but I don't recall ever seeing Dell comics anywhere. I would agree with this. I never saw Dell comics as a kid either and, in fact, I didn't even know they existed until I joined this forum at the old CBR site. I never saw Gold Keys either and Charltons were available but much rarer than American Marvels and DCs -- which were pretty rare themselves, relatively speaking. I think that was because I was living out in the home counties, rather than in a big city though. I seem to recall having discussed this with tingramretro before and he saw more non-big two published comics than I did back in the day because he grew up in a city or major town. Yep, I was in South London, and I saw titles from several US publishers as a kid, but not Dell.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 16, 2016 17:37:01 GMT -5
Well I know a lot of the Dell Disney stories made their way to Europe around this time (I can't specifically speak to the UK), so if Dell wasn't distributing them directly, then I assume someone was reprinting them. Super Goof, for example, began in a Dell story, but then expanded out into an entirely distinct property in Europe. Super Goof appeared in a number of licensed titles in the UK, none of them by Dell. I think IPC Magazines was one. Right, and Super Goof's first appearance was in a Dell story. So either Dell stories were being reprinted in the UK by other publishers or, at the very least, those stories were influential upon UK comics. Thus, while you may never have seen a Dell comic in the UK, Dell still had an important influence upon the comics of the UK.
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Post by Confessor on Aug 16, 2016 17:41:48 GMT -5
Super Goof appeared in a number of licensed titles in the UK, none of them by Dell. I think IPC Magazines was one. Right, and Super Goof's first appearance was in a Dell story. So either Dell stories were being reprinted in the UK by other publishers or, at the very least, those stories were influential upon UK comics. Thus, while you may never have seen a Dell comic in the UK, Dell still had an important influence upon the comics of the UK. Never heard of Super Goof, which IPC magazine did that appear in?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2016 17:44:00 GMT -5
Dudey D. Watkins, actually ended up on a list of "enemies of the third reich" and would probably have been executed if Germany had won the war! I knew of this many years ago when watching a documentary on World War II and he was on the hit list of execution if Germany had conquered Britain. Many others too (Comics Books that kept the spirits up; etc) were listed too and I don't know who because the documentary was focusing on Dudley D. Watkins. Tin, is right on the nose!
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Post by shaxper on Aug 16, 2016 17:44:11 GMT -5
Slight correction: Super Goof didn't make his first appearance until 1965 and, by that time, Gold Key had the rights to the Disney characters, not Dell.
For a Dell example, we'd have to talk about Uncle Scrooge.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2016 18:20:46 GMT -5
I went with "other" meaning Dell. Fawcett was important in showing that lightning could strike twice (no pun intended) and there was room for more than one "top of the heap" superhero, but Dell, with its familiar cartoon and newspaper strip characters and wide distribution was probably the company most responsible for getting comics into American homes. I'm not sure I can say much more than that. Dell Comics were omnipresent in households from their inception through the split with Whitman. Of the comics that my Mom remembered from her youth they were all either Dell or another contender MLJ/Archie. Obviously if it was just based on their super-hero output MLJ wouldn't rate much of a nod. But Archie and his progeny were a huge force in Comics. The other comic my Mom always remember was Katy Keene, the Pin-Up Queen. Archie was a huge presence and a big influence. Depending on how you define the "Golden Age" you can make a very strong case for EC. I would argue that Mad Comic/Magazine had a greater impact on our culture than almost any other comic. I agree Dell & Archie were very important. I wonder if more people have read these two publishers more than any other publishers over the years.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Aug 16, 2016 18:36:42 GMT -5
Dell was the most popular publisher after WWII thru the 50s (pretty popular during the war as well)
EC was the gold standard in total publisher quality
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Post by Cei-U! on Aug 16, 2016 18:53:31 GMT -5
From my perspective here knee deep in Golden Age comics, the answer is unquestionably Dell. Not only did that publisher produce more individual comics than any of its contemporaries, it was responsible for many of the era's bestselling titles including the blockbuster Walt Disney's Comics and Stories. Dell had the best selling funny animal titles (Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies, Walter Lantz's New Funnies, Our Gang Comics featuring Tom & Jerry) and the best selling Westerns (Gene Autry, Roy Rogers, Red Ryder, The Lone Ranger), held the licenses for big-name characters like Tarzan, Dick Tracy, Zorro, and Raggedy Ann, and was the home of such mega-stars of the medium as Walt (Pogo Possum) Kelly, Carl (Donald Duck) Barks, and John (Little Lulu) Stanley. It was one of the few publishers that produced comics aimed at beginning readers and preschoolers. Dell accepted no outside advertising, consistently providing cover-to-cover content, and was comparatively immune to the rancorous vilification of the industry that grew steadily throughout the '40s and early '50s. That they aren't more widely recognized as a major player in the medium is due largely to the myopia of comics historians unable or unwilling to see anything not related to super-heroes as important or worthwhile.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 16, 2016 19:15:49 GMT -5
From my perspective here knee deep in Golden Age comics, the answer is unquestionably Dell. Not only did that publisher produce more individual comics than any of its contemporaries, it was responsible for many of the era's bestselling titles including the blockbuster Walt Disney's Comics and Stories. Don't forget Four Color, the longest running American comic book title of all time (by issue, not by year). (The final issue, #1354)
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