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Post by shaxper on Aug 17, 2016 8:17:43 GMT -5
Right, and Super Goof's first appearance was in a Dell story. So either Dell stories were being reprinted in the UK by other publishers or, at the very least, those stories were influential upon UK comics. Thus, while you may never have seen a Dell comic in the UK, Dell still had an important influence upon the comics of the UK. I wouldn't have said "important". Those reprints would have been in the early 70s, and would have been in just one of a few dozen comics available, most of the others being original material. I don't really see how they had any "influence" on anything. They had an influence on Super Goof. It's one small example. A well-known character in the UK sprang out of an American story. But, if you missed my other post, it turns out my timing was off and that was a Gold Key story, not a Dell story, so that particular example is moot anyway. But really, most of the Disney stuff came out of Dell. Uncle Scrooge is a classic example. First appeared in a Dell story in 1947, and practically became an icon across Europe (again, I don't know enough to specifically speak to the UK). |
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Post by MDG on Aug 17, 2016 10:56:14 GMT -5
A few notes to catch up:
Gold Key started in the early 60s when Western publishing started publishing in-house rather than having them published, distributed, and branded by its partner, Dell. So, essentially, if you remember seeing a lot of Gold Key comics in the 60s, it'll give you an idea of the ubiquitousness of Dell in the 40s and 50s.
But we're talking GA here, when Gold key didn't exist.
The idea of the Atom Age really is needed to differentiate the explosive growth of comics up to and through the war--fueled largely by superheroes--from the genres that proliferated post-war. Also, as seen in movie audiences, audiences and readers were attracted to different types of stories pre- and post-war.
EC started in '44 and pretty much limped along until '51 or so, so wasn't much of a force in the GA.
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Post by tingramretro on Aug 17, 2016 13:15:31 GMT -5
I wouldn't have said "important". Those reprints would have been in the early 70s, and would have been in just one of a few dozen comics available, most of the others being original material. I don't really see how they had any "influence" on anything. They had an influence on Super Goof. It's one small example. A well-known character in the UK sprang out of an American story. But, if you missed my other post, it turns out my timing was off and that was a Gold Key story, not a Dell story, so that particular example is moot anyway. But really, most of the Disney stuff came out of Dell. Uncle Scrooge is a classic example. First appeared in a Dell story in 1947, and practically became an icon across Europe (again, I don't know enough to specifically speak to the UK). I wouldn't really have said Super Goof was "well known" in the UK. He was a minor character in a reprint title not really among the country's best sellers. I think the Disney characters have generally tended to be more popular in certain parts of continental Europe than in the UK, really. I doubt most British kids of the time, let alone now, would even recognise Uncle Scrooge, much less consider him an icon. Bugs Bunny or Scooby Doo, yes, but not Uncle Scrooge. |
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Post by shaxper on Aug 17, 2016 14:25:19 GMT -5
They had an influence on Super Goof. It's one small example. A well-known character in the UK sprang out of an American story. But, if you missed my other post, it turns out my timing was off and that was a Gold Key story, not a Dell story, so that particular example is moot anyway. But really, most of the Disney stuff came out of Dell. Uncle Scrooge is a classic example. First appeared in a Dell story in 1947, and practically became an icon across Europe (again, I don't know enough to specifically speak to the UK). I wouldn't really have said Super Goof was "well known" in the UK. He was a minor character in a reprint title not really among the country's best sellers. I think the Disney characters have generally tended to be more popular in certain parts of continental Europe than in the UK, really. I doubt most British kids of the time, let alone now, would even recognise Uncle Scrooge, much less consider him an icon. Bugs Bunny or Scooby Doo, yes, but not Uncle Scrooge. Ah, then you may be correct that Dell had little to no impact in the UK. However, it had a massive impact upon the portions of continental Europe that you reference, and it was huge here in the states, so it's probably still accurate to say it had a huge impact upon "our culture" in much the same way that Tupac Shakur has had a massive impact upon "our culture" even though neither I nor anyone I'm close to have ever actively listened to him. |
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Post by Confessor on Aug 17, 2016 19:46:49 GMT -5
I think the Disney characters have generally tended to be more popular in certain parts of continental Europe than in the UK, really. I doubt most British kids of the time, let alone now, would even recognise Uncle Scrooge, much less consider him an icon. Bugs Bunny or Scooby Doo, yes, but not Uncle Scrooge. I would have to agree with this. I had never seen or heard of Uncle Scrooge until I'd been in the old CBR forum for a few years. Donald Duck or Goofy, yes, but not Uncle Scrooge. I was amazed at how well known and well loved this Disney character was with you guys, when I had never encountered him at all. Uncle Scrooge was definitely a much bigger character in the U.S. than he was in the UK. In fact, I would go so far as to say that over here, he's proper obscure. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 20:21:03 GMT -5
In my youth, I read a lot of comic books in the Golden Age of Comics that was published from 1940 and onward and I do not want to get into details of all the publishers involved. But, here's my take of the top 10 publishers of the Golden Age of Comics and I'm changing my vote to Fawcett because of the quality of the stuff that they did and they were the top dog until that lawsuit dealing with National Comics Publications.
Top 5
1. Fawcett
2. Quality
3. All-American/National
4. Timely
5. Nedor (Standard Comics)
Bottom 5
6. Fox
6. Dell
8. Archie
9. Ace Comics
10. EC Comics
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Post by shaxper on Aug 17, 2016 20:29:56 GMT -5
In my youth, I read a lot of comic books in the Golden Age of Comics that was published from 1940 and onward and I do not want to get into details of all the publishers involved. But, here's my take of the top 10 publishers of the Golden Age of Comics and I'm changing my vote to Fawcett because of the quality of the stuff that they did and they were the top dog until that lawsuit dealing with National Comics Publications. Top 51. Fawcett 2. Quality 3. All-American/National 4. Timely 5. Nedor (Standard Comics) Bottom 56. Fox 6. Dell 8. Archie 9. Ace Comics 10. EC Comics I'm not familiar with either Nedor or Ace. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 21:41:09 GMT -5
In my youth, I read a lot of comic books in the Golden Age of Comics that was published from 1940 and onward and I do not want to get into details of all the publishers involved. But, here's my take of the top 10 publishers of the Golden Age of Comics and I'm changing my vote to Fawcett because of the quality of the stuff that they did and they were the top dog until that lawsuit dealing with National Comics Publications. Top 51. Fawcett 2. Quality 3. All-American/National 4. Timely 5. Nedor (Standard Comics) Bottom 56. Fox 6. Dell 8. Archie 9. Ace Comics 10. EC Comics I'm not familiar with either Nedor or Ace. Nedor had several names. It was also called Better Comics & Standard Comics. The Black Terror was their most famous hero.
I'm not sure about Ace.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 21:53:07 GMT -5
In my youth, I read a lot of comic books in the Golden Age of Comics that was published from 1940 and onward and I do not want to get into details of all the publishers involved. But, here's my take of the top 10 publishers of the Golden Age of Comics and I'm changing my vote to Fawcett because of the quality of the stuff that they did and they were the top dog until that lawsuit dealing with National Comics Publications. Top 51. Fawcett 2. Quality 3. All-American/National 4. Timely 5. Nedor (Standard Comics) Bottom 56. Fox 6. Dell 8. Archie 9. Ace Comics 10. EC Comics I'm not familiar with either Nedor or Ace. Nedor had these popular characters: American EagleFighting YankKara, The Jungle PrincessLiberatorLone Eagle Miss MasquePrincess PanthaSilver Knight Red Mask Wonder ManAce Comics had these characters too ... Barney Google Blondie Brick Bradford Elmer
Jungle Jim
Krazy Kat
The Katzenjammer Kids
The Phantom
Prince Valiant Tillie the Toiler Issues in Bold that I'm familiar with ... |
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Post by shaxper on Aug 17, 2016 22:15:28 GMT -5
I'm not familiar with either Nedor or Ace. Nedor had these popular characters: American EagleFighting YankKara, The Jungle PrincessLiberatorLone Eagle Miss MasquePrincess PanthaSilver Knight Red Mask Wonder ManAce Comics had these characters too ... Barney Google Blondie Brick Bradford Elmer
Jungle Jim
Krazy Kat
The Katzenjammer Kids
The Phantom
Prince Valiant Tillie the Toiler Issues in Bold that I'm familiar with ... Thanks much for this, MG! I'm only aware of Wonder Man, Krazy Kat, The Phantom, and Prince Valiant. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Aug 18, 2016 7:16:06 GMT -5
Mech has confused Ace Comics, a David McCay title reprinting King Features comic strips, with Ace Publications, the pulp publisher who expanded into comics in 1940. They had a small line-up of super-hero titles in the early '40s, their main heroes being the electrically powered Flash Lightning (changed to Lash Lightning to avoid legal harrassment from All-American), Vulcan the Volcanic Man, and Magno the Magnetic Man. The early stories of Magno and Flash/Lash were scripted by Robert Turner, later a TV writer, and drawn by a very young Jim Mooney.
And Wonder Man was Fox, not Better/Standard/Nedor (unless there's a later character I've not yet encountered).
Cei-U!
I summon my research notes!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 7:37:25 GMT -5
Mech has confused Ace Comics, a David McCay title reprinting King Features comic strips, with Ace Publications, the pulp publisher who expanded into comics in 1940. They had a small line-up of super-hero titles in the early '40s, their main heroes being the electrically powered Flash Lightning (changed to Lash Lightning to avoid legal harrassment from All-American), Vulcan the Volcanic Man, and Magno the Magnetic Man. The early stories of Magno and Flash/Lash were scripted by Robert Turner, later a TV writer, and drawn by a very young Jim Mooney. And Wonder Man was Fox, not Better/Standard/Nedor (unless there's a later character I've not yet encountered). Cei-U! I summon my research notes! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 7:53:28 GMT -5
And Wonder Man was Fox, not Better/Standard/Nedor (unless there's a later character I've not yet encountered). Cei-U! I summon my research notes! Wonder Man was Nedor - his alias was Brad Spencer ... Cei-U! ... If I'm wrong - I admit it but in my own knowledge he was Nedor using Pine Publishing for the printing of Wonder Man Comics that ran just under 30 issues in those days.  The problem with the rest of your post is that my information that I got is the information that I received and back then it was a bit a confusing because of the lawsuits that was generated back then because of copyrights and that's is the main problems of the Golden Age of Comics. My grandfather who collected comic books told me that a thousand times and characters are being treated like garbage back then and because of all the mess back then - the naming, the creation, and the timing of such character because of that era Cei-U it was a nightmare trying to figure out who has what and who has the license to promote such character and that's made it very difficult to control. This summary that I just shared with you is all the information that I got and information can be miscommunicated and that's why I tried my best to answer to the question that Shaxper asked me to. I don't mind being corrected by anyone here but in the world of comics - I tried my best to be accurate as possible and that's a pretty tall order for me to achieve and there is room for error and we have to accept that. |
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Post by shaxper on Aug 18, 2016 9:04:20 GMT -5
And Wonder Man was Fox, not Better/Standard/Nedor (unless there's a later character I've not yet encountered). Cei-U! I summon my research notes! Wonder Man was Nedor - his alias was Brad Spencer ... Cei-U! ... If I'm wrong - I admit it but in my own knowledge he was Nedor using Pine Publishing for the printing of Wonder Man Comics that ran just under 30 issues in those days. The problem with the rest of your post is that my information that I got is the information that I received and back then it was a bit a confusing because of the lawsuits that was generated back then because of copyrights and that's is the main problems of the Golden Age of Comics. My grandfather who collected comic books told me that a thousand times and characters are being treated like garbage back then and because of all the mess back then - the naming, the creation, and the timing of such character because of that era Cei-U it was a nightmare trying to figure out who has what and who has the license to promote such character and that's made it very difficult to control. This summary that I just shared with you is all the information that I got and information can be miscommunicated and that's why I tried my best to answer to the question that Shaxper asked me to. I don't mind being corrected by anyone here but in the world of comics - I tried my best to be accurate as possible and that's a pretty tall order for me to achieve and there is room for error and we have to accept that. We all make mistakes, and that's okay. Where I get confused is with this part: What was wrong with Cei-U!'s post? |
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Post by Cei-U! on Aug 18, 2016 9:28:59 GMT -5
And Wonder Man was Fox, not Better/Standard/Nedor (unless there's a later character I've not yet encountered). Cei-U! I summon my research notes! I've only gotten through the 1941 issues of Better so far. Their Wonder Man is indeed a character I've not yet encountered, though I recognize the costume from browsings of my Gerber Photo-Journal Guide to Comic Books). Cei-U! Now I know! |
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