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Post by urrutiap on Aug 20, 2016 13:07:50 GMT -5
I'm still a fan of Elfquest and Richard and Wendy they're an odd cute couple and they've been doing pretty good with the new recent Elfquest Final Quest but I get the feeling that they're kinda behind the times or out of touch with what's going on in comic books with the constant superhero comics and other better Independent comic books and odd stuff such as Snotgirl.
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Post by hondobrode on Aug 20, 2016 20:23:25 GMT -5
Why do you say that ?
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Post by shaxper on Aug 21, 2016 0:29:54 GMT -5
They lost me the moment we found out all the elves were swingers in the original volume.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Aug 21, 2016 8:17:02 GMT -5
They lost me the moment we found out all the elves were swingers in the original volume. I've heard other people say that, Shax... why? It's such a minor part of the story, and makes total sense in the elves characterization. As to the topic at hand, I agree... the new stories feel very much like they are trying to re-capture the past. No new ground is being broken.. this story could have been told in the 80s if they weren't focused on other things for a while. That said, I am enjoying it, but not as much as the older ones, the energy and excitement just isn't there, and they're just too many characters they're trying to give the spotlight too. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Aug 21, 2016 8:31:45 GMT -5
They lost me the moment we found out all the elves were swingers in the original volume. Huh. That never bothered me in the least. If anything, it made for an interesting contrast between the Wolfriders and our own sexually repressed culture. Cei-U! I summon the liberation! |
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Post by shaxper on Aug 21, 2016 11:23:21 GMT -5
They lost me the moment we found out all the elves were swingers in the original volume. I've heard other people say that, Shax... why? It's such a minor part of the story, and makes total sense in the elves characterization. It would be like suddenly seeing a portrait of Adolf Hitler on the Batcave wall for just a brief moment. Just completely changes how you see the character. I am, by no means, a conservative in most respects, but polygamy really creeps me out. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Aug 21, 2016 13:29:15 GMT -5
It's not polygamy though... they way I understand it... 'life mates' as they work for elves are for breeding purposes only.. it's a biological imperitave that indicates you could have offspring. Sometimes life mates behave as married couples (as in our society), and sometimes they don't like each other at all. The casual sex thing is just the elven culture, they don't have monogamous (or polygamous for that matter) relationships, they're all just friends with benefits  Polygamy (if you mean 1 man, several women) creeps me out as well, but that's not what happens in Elfquest. |
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Post by shaxper on Aug 21, 2016 14:29:24 GMT -5
It's not polygamy though... they way I understand it... 'life mates' as they work for elves are for breeding purposes only.. it's a biological imperitave that indicates you could have offspring. Sometimes life mates behave as married couples (as in our society), and sometimes they don't like each other at all. The casual sex thing is just the elven culture, they don't have monogamous (or polygamous for that matter) relationships, they're all just friends with benefits Polygamy (if you mean 1 man, several women) creeps me out as well, but that's not what happens in Elfquest. Polygamy as in multiple partners in general. I am tolerant of just about any lifestyle choice you can imagine, even if I don't personally understand it, but somehow polygamy exceeds my limits. Really disturbs me. And sure you can rationalize it by saying they're elves, not people, but the Pinis were clearly trying to make a statement there, and the power of the series is that we relate to the elves as if they were people -- an ideal way of life we could strive for ourselves. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Aug 21, 2016 16:13:39 GMT -5
OK, I can see where you're coming from. For me, I look at it as an example of how no matter how different a culture is, there are certain universal constants of all 'people' that transcend those cultural boundries. So I guess I see it as a message of racial and cultural tolerance, rather than an endorsement of a particular alternative (Which I think is what you're saying).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 16:25:00 GMT -5
It's not polygamy though... they way I understand it... 'life mates' as they work for elves are for breeding purposes only.. it's a biological imperitave that indicates you could have offspring. Sometimes life mates behave as married couples (as in our society), and sometimes they don't like each other at all. The casual sex thing is just the elven culture, they don't have monogamous (or polygamous for that matter) relationships, they're all just friends with benefits Polygamy (if you mean 1 man, several women) creeps me out as well, but that's not what happens in Elfquest. Polygamy as in multiple partners in general. I am tolerant of just about any lifestyle choice you can imagine, even if I don't personally understand it, but somehow polygamy exceeds my limits. Really disturbs me. And sure you can rationalize it by saying they're elves, not people, but the Pinis were clearly trying to make a statement there, and the power of the series is that we relate to the elves as if they were people -- an ideal way of life we could strive for ourselves. Do you have the same reaction reading the Old Testament when the patriarchs like Abraham had multiple wives or at least wives and concubines? -M |
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Post by shaxper on Aug 21, 2016 16:33:57 GMT -5
Polygamy as in multiple partners in general. I am tolerant of just about any lifestyle choice you can imagine, even if I don't personally understand it, but somehow polygamy exceeds my limits. Really disturbs me. And sure you can rationalize it by saying they're elves, not people, but the Pinis were clearly trying to make a statement there, and the power of the series is that we relate to the elves as if they were people -- an ideal way of life we could strive for ourselves. Do you have the same reaction reading the Old Testament when the patriarchs like Abraham had multiple wives or at least wives and concubines? -M Yes. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 16:36:46 GMT -5
At least your consistent, but it seems to have been the natural order in most pre-modern societies. Monogamy only emerges when inheritance issues become of primary concern and you need to ensure some kind of legitimacy of your heirs. And then in most cases, only the woman has to actually be monogamous, male dalliances are acceptable, or at least tolerated.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Aug 21, 2016 16:41:09 GMT -5
At least your consistent, but it seems to have been the natural order in most pre-modern societies. Monogamy only emerges when inheritance issues become of primary concern and you need to ensure some kind of legitimacy of your heirs. And then in most cases, only the woman has to actually be monogamous, male dalliances are acceptable, or at least tolerated. -M ... which makes sense in the animal kingdom, since the female wants the best genes she can get for her offspring. It doesn't for Elfquest, where the biological imperative for having children (recognition) is completely unrelated to casual sex... that's just how they roll. |
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