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Post by hondobrode on Aug 26, 2016 21:47:28 GMT -5
But this being the DCU multiverse, they're identities are pretty safe mostly.
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Post by dupersuper on Aug 30, 2016 20:26:26 GMT -5
But this being the DCU multiverse, they're identities are pretty safe mostly. This being the DC multiverse, their identities are available to any one reading their comic book adventures in another universe...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2016 14:37:04 GMT -5
The Golden Age Wonder Woman stories are among the very best to me. Glamorously kinky with all the bondage, the cross dressing villains, sexual overtones, with out of this world stories and unique art--a true gem from the Golden Age and somewhat ahead of the times. I remember reading that Marston had written a story so shocking that DC refused to publish it and it is locked away in a DC vault somewhere. I wish I could recall the article or where I read this. Wonder Woman was very positive though. She was all about equality of the sexes (despite being at first the JSA secretary rather than a full member), she never gave up, and was a very innovative character in a male dominated medium. I have ordered the Golden Age Wonder Woman omnibus (that should ship this fall) and can't wait to revisit these fun stories!
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Post by Prince Hal on Sept 2, 2016 15:05:08 GMT -5
The Golden Age Wonder Woman stories are among the very best to me. Glamorously kinky with all the bondage, the cross dressing villains, sexual overtones, with out of this world stories and unique art--a true gem from the Golden Age and somewhat ahead of the times. I remember reading that Marston had written a story so shocking that DC refused to publish it and it is locked away in a DC vault somewhere. I wish I could recall the article or where I read this. Wonder Woman was very positive though. She was all about equality of the sexes (despite being at first the JSA secretary rather than a full member), she never gave up, and was a very innovative character in a male dominated medium. I have ordered the Golden Age Wonder Woman omnibus (that should ship this fall) and can't wait to revisit these fun stories! Good to see you around again, Mr. Jupiter!
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Post by Outrajs on Nov 20, 2017 11:56:50 GMT -5
When I came across Wonder Woman, I was 6 and it was the television show. Later on, I picked it up and started reading the comics I was about 11 or 12. This post has totally destroyed my innocent love of Wonder Woman! That being said, she is a stand alone character and even if you don't know the backstory of the creator, she is a fascinating read. She exudes an air of romance and authority, strength and femininity that draws in any kind of reader regardless of the Age you read.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 20, 2017 22:52:40 GMT -5
When I came across Wonder Woman, I was 6 and it was the television show. Later on, I picked it up and started reading the comics I was about 11 or 12. This post has totally destroyed my innocent love of Wonder Woman! That being said, she is a stand alone character and even if you don't know the backstory of the creator, she is a fascinating read. She exudes an air of romance and authority, strength and femininity that draws in any kind of reader regardless of the Age you read. Well, even if you didn't know about Marston and just read the Golden Age stories; you'd get a much different picture than from the Silver. Bronze or Modern Age stories. Wertham targeted her pretty heavily, as did others and DC pretty much neutered her after that. The closest she got back to some of that was, ironically, during the Diana Prince Wonder Woman era, including the story, "Them, " plus, with more psychotic characters like Dr Cyber. That didn't last long either, and her stuff mostly turned back to bland superheroics (with occasionally great stories) until Perez worked his magic and reinfused her with a lot of mythology and more modern sensibilities. I still remember as a kid, discovering the Michael Fleischer Wonder Woman Encyclopedia, at the library and reading through it. It came out right after the tv show debuted and my experience with Wondy consisted of a few DP stories, more in JLA and a few of her own title (back in costume) and the Brady Kids appearance, the Super Friends, and the Cathy Lee Crosby pilot movie. Flipping through that book revealed a whole 'nother WW. It looked wild as heck, especially compared to what happened in her modern comic. I also started noticing a heck of a lot of ropes and chains, on just about every page of the book. Personally, the kinky elements notwithstanding, her GA adventures were a heck of a lot more lively and interesting than pretty much anything, until Perez (apart from some of the DP, WW stories).
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Nov 21, 2017 4:37:12 GMT -5
Since nobody has outright said this...
The Marston Wonder Woman comics were basically an experiment in social engineering aimed at promoting his socio/psychological theories based around both social justice and bondage based "sex love training."
OBVIOUSLY these are some of my favorite comics ever.
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Post by MDG on Nov 21, 2017 9:26:05 GMT -5
Since nobody has outright said this... The Marston Wonder Woman comics were basically an experiment in social engineering aimed at promoting his socio/psychological theories based around both social justice and bondage based "sex love training." It's time for someone to get a grant to identify and survey golden age WW readers to see how that worked out.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 21, 2017 21:45:30 GMT -5
Since nobody has outright said this... The Marston Wonder Woman comics were basically an experiment in social engineering aimed at promoting his socio/psychological theories based around both social justice and bondage based "sex love training." It's time for someone to get a grant to identify and survey golden age WW readers to see how that worked out. Well, I believe Sheldon Mayer commented about some of the letters they used to get from those readers.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Nov 21, 2017 21:52:53 GMT -5
I would pay to read those!
And on top of that, GA WW is just fun. It's about a young woman who really (and without angst) enjoys being a superhero. I'm not sure that has ever been done as well since.
And it has Etta Candy! Best supporting character ever. Woo! Woo!
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Post by Phil Maurice on Nov 21, 2017 22:53:47 GMT -5
And on top of that, GA WW is just fun. It's about a young woman who really (and without angst) enjoys being a superhero. I'm not sure that has ever been done as well since. And it has Etta Candy! Best supporting character ever. Woo! Woo! Well, you have the Wasp, who was admittedly festooned with stereotypes; nevertheless her plucky resolve often tipped the scales in battle. There was Tigra who seemed to gain a strong sense of her human self even as she navigated the footpaths of her animal nature (is that angst? Maybe it doesn't count). Eh, I'm nit-picking, though. Your Etta Candy assertion is of course unassailable. Well done, there.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 22, 2017 9:42:35 GMT -5
I would pay to read those! And on top of that, GA WW is just fun. It's about a young woman who really (and without angst) enjoys being a superhero. I'm not sure that has ever been done as well since. And it has Etta Candy! Best supporting character ever. Woo! Woo! Let's just say that a lot of those readers seemed to dovetail with the fanbase of Bettie Page, a few years down the road. Thing of it is, WW wasn't the only source of bondage imagery in the Golden Age. Those comics are littered with it; a carryover from the pulps. It was a common staple of newspaper adventure strips, as well. Some of it got downright gruesome, with whipping and torture. In looking at the old MLJ comics, some of those strips were heavy with that stuff, plus a lot of hangings, and not just in the Hangman strip. Hillman and Fox were noted for it, especially the jungle comics and the aviation stories. Timely had it's fair share. The big difference, really, is that Marston actually did promote the idea of women as tough, capable members of society. At the same time, those strips weren't quite as graphic as some of the others, like Lev Gleason (especially when Charles Biro started doing the crime stuff) and were a bit more inventive with the peril. It was a regular part of drama of the era: in the pulps, the movie serials, radio dramas, films, melodramas, comics strips and comic books. There was a newspaper strip, for some years, called Hairbreadth Harry, that was a melodrama, with a lot of characters tied to tracks and logs headed into buzzsaws and whatnot, years before Snidely Whiplash was chasing after Nelle Fenwick. Though I have to say, not many of them had the damsel in distress chew their way out of a leather hood, like Marston.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 22, 2017 10:07:02 GMT -5
There was an even weirder bit in Wonder Woman, via Etta Candy and the Holiday girls. Marston (with Olive Byrne) had studied sorority hazing rituals, which included "baby parties," where the pledges were dressed up like babies (diapers, bonnets, etc) and spanked and bound and other activities. That actually made it into at least one story, with Etta supervising the hazing. There was plenty of normal hazing, with the Holiday Girls, which also seemed to involve a lot of bondage and spanking. Then again, it wasn't that different than the Greek System of that era (as seen in Animal House). Many a sorority sister had a paddle with their house letters carved into it.
You didn't see stuff like that in Sheena or Phantom Lady.
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Post by MDG on Nov 22, 2017 12:28:43 GMT -5
Many a sorority sister had a paddle with their house letters carved into it. My dad had one from his fraternity. I have a paperback from the 70s that was my first real exposure GA WW stories. In one, there's an athletic contest that includes the line, "The next event will be a girl-roping contest." I thought that was odd.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 22, 2017 13:41:42 GMT -5
Many a sorority sister had a paddle with their house letters carved into it. My dad had one from his fraternity. I have a paperback from the 70s that was my first real exposure GA WW stories. In one, there's an athletic contest that includes the line, "The next event will be a girl-roping contest." I thought that was odd. My mother had her sorority paddle and wasn't afraid to use it. Ouch! I behaved; because I didn't want that thing hitting my backside! I had the same book (and the Superman one, from that series). The giant kangaroos were bizarre enough; but, yeah, the girl lassoing and tying were even stranger. Trying to remember if that same story had Baroness Paula Von Gunther in it, with her female slaves, one of whom is chained to a bedframe and has some kind of apparatus turned on, either electrocuting her or making her disappear (disintegrated?). The kinkiest, by far, is "Villainy, Inc," with gender bending foes, tons of bondage, domination and other weirdness. So, of course, DC has reprinted it at least twice, if not more, plus it provided a ton of illustrations for Fleischer's Wonder Woman Encyclopedia.
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