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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2016 21:32:28 GMT -5
DC had the rights to print the Archie Comics heroes back in 1991-92. I believe there were a half dozen titles. I have read that they were pretty good. However at that time I was more into Valiant/Malibu & didn't have enough funds to buy these titles. Anyone here read any of them? If so which ones would you recommend?
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Post by coinilius on Sept 1, 2016 21:43:44 GMT -5
I enjoyed them at the time, or at least I enjoyed The Fly and The Comet - The Comet is Mark Waid doing a warm up for his eventual Flash run. Black Hood and the Shield I was never as fond of, although I liked the idea behind the Black Hood, with the hood being passed to different people. Jaguar was pretty good too, I think - I was a Messner-Leobs fan back then (I much preferred his Flash to Mark Waid's version at the time - the supporting cast were just so much better in the Messner-Leon issues).
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Post by MDG on Sept 2, 2016 8:09:52 GMT -5
At a show in the late 80s, I was talking to an artist who was working on a revival of the Archie Heroes for Archie. They were planning to launch the whole slate with, I believe, Len Wein as editor-in-chief. Some, if not all, of the books were completed before Goldwater or whoever was in charge saw the, decided they didn't fir with the brand, and killed the project.
I don't think any of the Impact creators were the same people who worked on that attempt.
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Post by brutalis on Sept 2, 2016 10:48:53 GMT -5
The Fly with Parobeck art and Comet with Tom Lyle art were the 2 best from my memories. The female Jaguar had potential but the entire line felt like it was rushed and not given room and advertisement to grow. Kind of like the Dynamite group of pulp hero's and such. signing only 1 year contracts for trying to promote and build a new group or series and hoping they catch on in such a short time is limited sight and goals doomed to failure. Few series ever jump out of the gate and capture the wider reader audience anymore.
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Post by tingramretro on Sept 2, 2016 10:55:45 GMT -5
I bought a few of these, certainly issues of Black Hood, The Shield and Tbe Web, but the only one I stuck with for any length of time was The Comet. I remember quite liking it, but not enough to have ever reread any of it. I certainly didn't make it to the end of the series.
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Post by MDG on Sept 2, 2016 11:49:19 GMT -5
IIRC, one of the goals of the Impact books was to have a line for younger readers, which was dumb for a couple of reasons:
Why would kids want to read about a bunch of also-rans they never heard of instead of Superman, Batman, WW, etc.? Most comic creators can't seem to stay in the "for kids" mode with hero books before they start ramping up the sex/violence.
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Post by MWGallaher on Sept 2, 2016 12:20:36 GMT -5
I bought them all. I thought The Black Hood was the best of the bunch, a lot fresher feeling than the others, with more stylish art, edgier characters, and a cool concept that made the hood itself more than just a costume. Second runner-up was The Jaguar, especially the first four issues with art by David Antoine Williams, who was a promising talent. Down a rung from those two were The Comet and The Fly, both fairly conventional super-hero comics. The Fly had the benefit of the very fun Mike Parobeck art. The Comet's artist, Tom Lyle, was competent but nothing special. At the bottom of the main series from the line were The Legend of the Shield and The Web. I found Shield plotter/penciler Grant Miehm's artwork to be overwrought, and the concept tired. The Web featured art from Tom Artis, whose work was very contemporary but very difficult to follow: That example suffers from the coloring, but it's an example of what I mean: it was difficult to visually separate the elements on his pages into coherent parts. I've got the same problem with a lot of the overpopulated cartoony manga-influenced art I see. The Web was a team, not a single hero, but I don't remember any of the group standing out as distinct characters. Of the rest of the line, the team book, The Crusaders, had some good talent, and I enjoyed seeing its take on some of the other dormant Archie Comics properties like Fireball and Captain Commando. I don't remember much about the Impact Winter Special, which featured some short stories of the characters who already had their own comics. Who's Who in the Impact Universe was a bit of a disappointment. padded with too many pages devoted to supporting characters, including one, who, as I recall, died after two appearances. Who cares? Finally came The Crucible, a miniseries that wrapped things up with a darker tone than that which had characterized the line. Along the way, there were some other superheroes who turned up as guests or backups: Bob Phantom, Blackjack, The Hangman, and The Fox, as I remember them, were all more interesting than some of the ones with their own series in the lines, and I had hoped to see more of them...especially the Hangman. One other thing: in the early issues of the line, almost every character had to face some kind of a cyborg villain. I wrote in a letter (Jaguar #7) voicing my suspicions that this was a lead-up to a "new, more literally Steel Sterling." It wasn't, but I was at least pleased that the editor replied that he wished they'd thought of that!
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Post by Rob Allen on Sept 2, 2016 13:55:47 GMT -5
They never revived my favorite Archie superhero, Captain Sprocket, did they?
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Post by shaxper on Sept 3, 2016 19:55:23 GMT -5
In my reviews of Wizard: The Guide to Comics, one of the early indications I found that the market was headed in a bad direction was when DC chose to cancel the Impact imprint. As columnist/editor Patrick Daniel O'Neill lamented in Wizard #11, the line was selling reasonably well and was reasonably popular, but it was a series aimed at kids buying from spinner racks when the market was beginning to direct its energies towards older readers and speculators buying from the direct market. DC felt it needed to concentrate its energies there instead.
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Post by chaykinstevens on Sept 4, 2016 15:43:37 GMT -5
The Web featured art from Tom Artis, whose work was very contemporary but very difficult to follow: That example suffers from the coloring, but it's an example of what I mean: it was difficult to visually separate the elements on his pages into coherent parts. I agree with most of your opinions on the Impact line, but that cover doesn't look like Tom Artis's style to me. GCD credits it to Angel Gabriele (a pseudonym?) and Mike Machlan. The web had a few nice covers by Gil Kane, who was quite a good fit as he seemed to be one of Artis's influences.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2016 16:10:49 GMT -5
I did buy DC's revamp of the Archie heroes in 2010 & really liked them. I enjoy reading the more obscure heroes from the past.
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Post by chaykinstevens on Sept 4, 2016 16:27:34 GMT -5
At a show in the late 80s, I was talking to an artist who was working on a revival of the Archie Heroes for Archie. They were planning to launch the whole slate with, I believe, Len Wein as editor-in-chief. Some, if not all, of the books were completed before Goldwater or whoever was in charge saw the, decided they didn't fir with the brand, and killed the project. I don't think any of the Impact creators were the same people who worked on that attempt. The aborted Spectrum Comics line from 1989 would have included the Fly by Steve Englehart & Michael Bair, the Hangman by Len Wein and/or Marv Wolfman & Kelley Jones, the Fox by Jim Valentino and the Shield by Rob Liefeld. link1link2link3
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Post by MWGallaher on Sept 4, 2016 16:44:52 GMT -5
I agree with most of your opinions on the Impact line, but that cover doesn't look like Tom Artis's style to me. GCD credits it to Angel Gabriele (a pseudonym?) and Mike Machlan. Thanks for the correction, there! I should've noticed it wasn't Artis on that cover, I just trusted the mislabeled site I snagged the image from. I actually appreciated Artis's work in many ways, and I was disappointed to learn that he had died. So here's a real Tom Artis cover: That one also illustrates my point, I think. I can look carefully and figure out what most of the parts here are, but it just doesn't "scan" easily to me. It hurts to look too hard, but after some effort, I was able to distinguish a helicopter, a pilot, a rotor, and some kind of flying device that this Web agent is using. I must say I did like the logo for this. Very fresh design.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2016 21:15:33 GMT -5
I think my favorite of the revivals of these characters was the 5 issue Fox mini series a couple years back form Archie done by Dean Haspiel with scripting by Mark Waid on issues 1-4 and J.M. DeMatteis on #5. DeMatteis did a back up SHIELD story in a couple of the issue as well. it's one of the few books I indulged on variants (they were the same price as the regular covers), getting the Darwyn Cooke variant for #1... and the Alex Toth variant for #5... it was just solid fun, old school super-hero storytelling where everything you needed to enjoy the story was in the pages of the book you were reading. -M
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Post by hondobrode on Sept 7, 2016 13:38:11 GMT -5
I had saved my weekly issues of CBG for years until my now-ex-wife persuaded me to throw them out (they did take a lot of room). You'd think Krause Publications, who bought it from Alan Light, would at least put out reprints on demand, a commemorative issue, or something, but they haven't. Guess it just goes to show how inept they were with the property. Anyway, I'd love to be able to re-read the articles that ran on the front page for a couple of issues in the 80's where Archie was bringing back Red Circle in a very non-CCA way to was Direct Market only. The Hangman in particular was really gruesome, similar to the Spectre's infamous Bronze Age run in Adventure. I was shocked and really surprised at the time and extremely disappointed when it was suddenly killed. I think that's where John Goldwater caught wind of it and it was immediately terminated
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