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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 13:40:09 GMT -5
I remember buying a high-grade set of all 25 issues for next to nothing (about $16 on Ebay a few years ago) and now see a #1 listed for $100??? comicspriceguide.com/collection/marvel/nova/1/xowWhy the sudden interest in these books? The comics in themselves were a fun read but didn't trouble the order of my Top Marvel characters. I still like Moon Knight more  |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Oct 18, 2016 14:23:39 GMT -5
His popularity from Annihilation and the on going that followed? That's just a guess though. But I've seen places (like Lone Star) pricing up the original GotG series which had ____ all to do with the newer Abnett & Lanning series and the movie (as Yondu was not Yondu) all because of being the same title and hoping uniformed people buy something because they think it is significant to something else.
I've also noticed this with some bizarre asking prices for Thanos appearances, since I own about 99% of them. Weird, not at all significant appearances priced higher, than ones that are more significant. (Though with some of the older appearances it's hard to ascertain their real worth with all the CGC comics choking out original comics being sold.)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 14:54:30 GMT -5
Bronze Age first appearances* are the focus on a lot of collectors and speculators right now. Spider-Woman #1, Ms. Marvel #1 (and Carol's 1st appearance in Avengers), Eternals #1 etc. are all seeing price increases as people are looking for these books now that they are approaching 40+ years old. Buying Nova #1 now is the equivalent of buying FF #1 in 2001 in terms of years since release (not necessarily in terms of importance of the issue). When those characters are announced for movie or TV that adds fuel to the fire and increases the rate of value increase, but those books are in demand because of their age right now.
So, because of the age of these comics, more are now seeing them as being undervalued and began buying them up, causing a market correction because demand increased. Remember demand, not supply is what triggers value changes in comics. And as the price rises, more people see them as undervalued and having growth potential so begin snapping them up more frequently increasing demand and raising prices further, creating a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts. And those who may have been interested in the book but not prioritizing it, see the increases and begin hunting it down before it gets priced out of their comfort zone, thus increasing demand even more and fueling the growth of the book. At some point, it will price itself out of demand and the market will correct again and the prices will stabilize.
-M
* the caveat, high grade copies, mid to low grade are still not in demand and not seeing the growth and the divide in value between high grade copies and mid-to-low grade copies increases as well
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Oct 18, 2016 15:36:40 GMT -5
I would say it is half movie spec, half the fact that its been ten years and bronze age stuff is just that much older. People really think he will appear in GOTG movie eventually. I hate how speculation does that because I cannot collect fast enough and, by the time I want something like Nova, it will be super pricey. Really wish I had bought more 10-12 years ago but I am glad I got what I did at that time.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Oct 18, 2016 15:46:35 GMT -5
I would say it is half movie spec, half the fact that its been ten years and bronze age stuff is just that much older. People really think he will appear in GOTG movie eventually. I hate how speculation does that because I cannot collect fast enough and, by the time I want something like Nova, it will be super pricey. Really wish I had bought more 10-12 years ago but I am glad I got what I did at that time. Yeah this is really killing any chance of getting Marvel cosmic character or titles I still want. I think I am going to have to rely on TPB or hope some that isn't reprinted is reprinted due to it's popularity. I've lazily collected stuff like GotG Vol. 1 or Suicide Squad, etc out of dollar bins for the last ten years. Now the only way I can afford some of them, is if I am lucky enough to find them in a dollar bin sold by someone unaware of what it is. All due to movie speculation. Like a Logan's Run #6 going for hundreds (granted a lot of them are CGC). Who honestly wanting to read up on Thanos due to Marvel's movie is going to happen upon that and find that back up story even worth reading to get insight on Thanos? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 19:17:01 GMT -5
Bronze Age first appearances* are the focus on a lot of collectors and speculators right now. Spider-Woman #1, Ms. Marvel #1 (and Carol's 1st appearance in Avengers), Eternals #1 etc. are all seeing price increases as people are looking for these books now that they are approaching 40+ years old. Buying Nova #1 now is the equivalent of buying FF #1 in 2001 in terms of years since release (not necessarily in terms of importance of the issue). When those characters are announced for movie or TV that adds fuel to the fire and increases the rate of value increase, but those books are in demand because of their age right now. I'm not seeing Human Fly #1 listed above but I got that set on the cheap too...maybe if they stick him in a Marvel movie somewhere??? Spider-Woman #1...I got that from - of all places - Mile High Comics when it had a steep discount sale which was actually reflected in the NM category...I got it for a lowly $3. Fast forward a few years and its current NM price is 33x, $98.00, and out of stock. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 19:23:18 GMT -5
Bronze Age first appearances* are the focus on a lot of collectors and speculators right now. Spider-Woman #1, Ms. Marvel #1 (and Carol's 1st appearance in Avengers), Eternals #1 etc. are all seeing price increases as people are looking for these books now that they are approaching 40+ years old. Buying Nova #1 now is the equivalent of buying FF #1 in 2001 in terms of years since release (not necessarily in terms of importance of the issue). When those characters are announced for movie or TV that adds fuel to the fire and increases the rate of value increase, but those books are in demand because of their age right now. I'm not seeing Human Fly #1 listed above but I got that set on the cheap too...maybe if they stick him in a Marvel movie somewhere??? Spider-Woman #1...I got that from - of all places - Mile High Comics when it had a steep discount sale which was actually reflected in the NM category...I got it for a lowly $3. Fast forward a few years and its current NM price is 33x, $98.00, and out of stock. I am not sure there is demand for characters who have not withstood the test of time or who are not part of the shred universes of the big 2, thus Human Fly gets no love. It's a little more obvious in DC where characters like Firestorm are getting the bump but characters like Claw, the first Starfire and others who are no longer part and parcel of the DCU aren't seeing demand. TV and movie appearances certainly increase the visibility of these characters and spike demand for sure. Hell Booster Gold #1 is going for $50 in some circles now. There's a rhyme and reason to it, but what there isn't is consistency, and some books that should fit the demand profile aren't getting the attention and some getting the attention don't fit it well, but these are outliers and the pattern has become fairly obvious and entrenched in the market over the last 8-10 years. -M |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Oct 18, 2016 20:59:16 GMT -5
Just did a quick e-bay check, while there have been a 1/2 dozen high grade copies that when in that range ($200 for 9.8) the more typical price for a more typical copy seems to be $10-$20 (which makes sense to me)... lots of people selling the entire run for $50-$70, some with pretty high grade number 1s. maybe it's just hard to find in NM?
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Oct 18, 2016 21:11:07 GMT -5
I understand that as time goes on and these books get older, they are likely to become more expensive. 10 years ago, I had little interest in much beyond Spider-Man in terms of classic comics. Now, I am game for anything Marvel but I still do not want to spend more than $20-30 if I was to get a complete Nova run in nice shape.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Oct 18, 2016 21:36:34 GMT -5
I understand that as time goes on and these books get older, they are likely to become more expensive. 10 years ago, I had little interest in much beyond Spider-Man in terms of classic comics. Now, I am game for anything Marvel but I still do not want to spend more than $20-30 if I was to get a complete Nova run in nice shape. Im finding a lot of comics these days above my cost threshold that weren't that way even 5 years ago. The sudden insurgence of Marvel and DC movies I think has effected comic prices that might soon, if not now, rival the 90's comics speculation. There's too much guessing at what might become a demand due to speculators and uninformed buyers. I realize this is/can a/be a good thing for the overall exposure of classic comics. But it's frustrating in such a short time comics went from dollar bin fodder to unaffordable for some buyers. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Oct 19, 2016 1:30:20 GMT -5
Bronze Age first appearances* are the focus on a lot of collectors and speculators right now. Spider-Woman #1, Ms. Marvel #1 (and Carol's 1st appearance in Avengers), Eternals #1 etc. are all seeing price increases as people are looking for these books now that they are approaching 40+ years old. Buying Nova #1 now is the equivalent of buying FF #1 in 2001 in terms of years since release (not necessarily in terms of importance of the issue). When those characters are announced for movie or TV that adds fuel to the fire and increases the rate of value increase, but those books are in demand because of their age right now. I'm not seeing Human Fly #1 listed above but I got that set on the cheap too...maybe if they stick him in a Marvel movie somewhere??? Spider-Woman #1...I got that from - of all places - Mile High Comics when it had a steep discount sale which was actually reflected in the NM category...I got it for a lowly $3. Fast forward a few years and its current NM price is 33x, $98.00, and out of stock. The Human Fly was a licensed book; so, they can't use him in the movies, without permission. It was an actual stunt performer, though he didn't pull off as many stunts as he claimed. It was one part Evel Knievel and a whole lot of con game. There was talk about a movie about the actual stunt performer, though. |
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Oct 19, 2016 17:09:35 GMT -5
I understand that as time goes on and these books get older, they are likely to become more expensive. 10 years ago, I had little interest in much beyond Spider-Man in terms of classic comics. Now, I am game for anything Marvel but I still do not want to spend more than $20-30 if I was to get a complete Nova run in nice shape. Im finding a lot of comics these days above my cost threshold that weren't that way even 5 years ago. The sudden insurgence of Marvel and DC movies I think has effected comic prices that might soon, if not now, rival the 90's comics speculation. There's too much guessing at what might become a demand due to speculators and uninformed buyers. I realize this is/can a/be a good thing for the overall exposure of classic comics. But it's frustrating in such a short time comics went from dollar bin fodder to unaffordable for some buyers. Was Nova any good, story wise? I only have read #13 because it tied in with ASM #171 and I had to have the complete tale  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 18:38:09 GMT -5
Was Nova any good, story wise? I only have read #13 because it tied in with ASM #171 and I had to have the complete tale It's okay, not the best, not the worst, if you like stories about dying aliens giving their powers to nerdy losers...so you get all powerful and stuff, kick some serious butt (with B-Grade villains) but when the costume comes off you go back to being a loser (sort of like Peter Parker actually). |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Oct 19, 2016 21:49:31 GMT -5
Im finding a lot of comics these days above my cost threshold that weren't that way even 5 years ago. The sudden insurgence of Marvel and DC movies I think has effected comic prices that might soon, if not now, rival the 90's comics speculation. There's too much guessing at what might become a demand due to speculators and uninformed buyers. I realize this is/can a/be a good thing for the overall exposure of classic comics. But it's frustrating in such a short time comics went from dollar bin fodder to unaffordable for some buyers. Was Nova any good, story wise? I only have read #13 because it tied in with ASM #171 and I had to have the complete tale Ive only read the Abnett & Lanning series around the time of Annihilation. That one was good for up to about 20 or which was as far as I read for whatever reason. I've never read any older solo Nova book. |
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Oct 19, 2016 22:26:46 GMT -5
As I understand, Nova was modeled after Peter Parker. Different power but similar idea. For me, you have to have decent villains. Spidey's are amazing, the best around in my books. Nova's don't like all that great...to generic and alieny. Plus, some of the later issues in that original series were done by Infantino and I know it is terrible to say but he is not an artist I like.
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