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Post by Confessor on Nov 8, 2016 6:23:52 GMT -5
As you know, I've never been a fan of Captain Britain, tingramretro, but I LOVE that this thread exists. I'll be following your well written, funny and thoughtful reviews with interest.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 8, 2016 12:58:27 GMT -5
Curious as to how well Claremont went over in the UK, on this series, especially with the dialogue. He may have been born in the UK, but left at the age of 3. I wonder how much it read as Britain via an American viewpoint, or whether he still had enough connection to make it sound British?
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Post by tingramretro on Nov 8, 2016 13:10:52 GMT -5
Curious as to how well Claremont went over in the UK, on this series, especially with the dialogue. He may have been born in the UK, but left at the age of 3. I wonder how much it read as Britain via an American viewpoint, or whether he still had enough connection to make it sound British? As I understand it, he still had family over here and he certainly knew the country well enough to casually reference geographical details which make me suspect he was pretty familiar with West London, at least. It never sounded conspicuously 'foreign' to me under Claremont, although in any case, any glaring errors would have been corrected by the London editor before it went to print. Herb Trimpe's art, on the other hand, is very definitely Britain through the eyes of an American; I gather part of the reason he was given the assignment was because he'd spent some time here, but since the Captain Britain strip was mostly based around London and Trimpe had apparently stayed in Cornwall, I doubt it helped much. Alan Moore, in an article on the subject a few years later, described London as drawn by Americans as inevitably resembling "either modern day Chicago or beautiful downtown Bulgaria around the turn of the century", or something similar, and he wasn't far off in Trimpe's case.
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Post by tingramretro on Nov 9, 2016 4:56:23 GMT -5
Captain Britain #4 (Nov '76)Script: Chris Claremont Art: Herb Trimpe and Fred Kida "Hour of the Hurricane!" Issue four begins with "a young physicist turned superhero" working out, in costume, in Thames University's gymnasium early one morning, an ill-considered move which almost results in his being discovered by his old foe Jacko Tanner and having to transform into the non powered Brian Braddock while fifteen feet up in the air in order to avoid this. Cue a nasty fall and much hilarity from Jacko and his cronies. Why is Brian using the University's facilities as Captain Britain? Well, for no readily apparent reason. I guess he still just hasn't got around to reading the superhero handbook. This scene does give us a little insight into Brian's past though, as he walks away from Tanner's taunts musing "a coward! That's what they think I am...and a weakling...just because I won't fight them. But none of them knows what happened to my parents...or of the vow I made to them..." So, in addition to being a brilliant young scientist, Brian is also apparently an orphan with a tragic past and a vow; to begin with, his origin seemed curiously reminiscent of Thor's and his background a carbon copy of Spider-Man's, but now we seem to have Batman thrown into the mix as well! We'll learn no more about this for the moment though, as Brian's breakfast date with Courtney Ross is rudely interrupted by the arrival of a flying, armoured figure who starts smashing up the surrounding buildings with energy blasts and artificially created winds while loudly proclaiming "hear me people of London..and beware! for I am the voice of doom and destruction! I am Hurricane!" Our new bad guy seems to be tearing the place apart just to test out his armour, which rather suggests that when, as he angrily monologues to himself "those fools at the institute ridiculed my theories! They called me a madman!", they weren't actually far off. We won't find out for awhile what "institute" Hurricane is talking about or what his theories were, though, as at this point Captain Britain pole vaults into the fray, charging into his first battle with an actual supervillain with reckless abandon, whie still finding time to silently complain that he doesn't actually know why he's bothering to "try to save the worthless skin" of people like Jacko Tanner. At this point, Brian's heart really doesnt seem to be in this hero business. Anyway, the battle goes predictably badly and after a few pages of getting knocked around, CB crashes to the ground unconscious as Hurricane flies away crowing "today it was Captain Britain--tomorrow it will be all mankind!" Actually, mental or not, I quite like Hurricane. His costume's better than the Captain's, too. Is it too late to start campaigning for a title change?
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 9, 2016 11:43:42 GMT -5
So, does Captain Britain take on Typhoon and Spitfire, as well, for a full on Battle of Britain? Or am I the only one who makes the connection to this: or this:
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Post by tingramretro on Nov 9, 2016 13:19:57 GMT -5
So, does Captain Britain take on Typhoon and Spitfire, as well, for a full on Battle of Britain? Or am I the only one who makes the connection to this: or this: I would love to see Captain Britain meet Captain Hurricane, but sadly not (or Typhoon Tracy either, for that matter). In later years though, he did meet Marvel's Spitfire...
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Post by Confessor on Nov 9, 2016 14:28:16 GMT -5
So, does Captain Britain take on Typhoon and Spitfire, as well, for a full on Battle of Britain? Or am I the only one who makes the connection to this: or this: I would love to see Captain Britain meet Captain Hurricane, but sadly not (or Typhoon Tracy either, for that matter). In later years though, he did meet Marvel's Spitfire... Let's have them all team-up with Frank Hampson-era Dan Dare too!
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 9, 2016 15:09:12 GMT -5
I would love to see Captain Britain meet Captain Hurricane, but sadly not (or Typhoon Tracy either, for that matter). In later years though, he did meet Marvel's Spitfire... Let's have them all team-up with Frank Hampson-era Dan Dare too! Still remember watching Michael Palin's Around the World in 80 Days and seeing him wear a Dan Dare t-shirt.
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Post by tingramretro on Nov 10, 2016 4:00:18 GMT -5
Captain Britain #5 (Nov '76)Script: Chris Claremont Art: Herb Trimpe/Fred Kida "Captain Britain Has Been Beaten!" Issue five picks up our tale with the Captain regaining consciousness surrounded by bystanders from Thames University, just in time for one of the buildings damaged by Hurricane to collapse; so, rather than take off after the villain, he finds himself helping Courtney, Jacko and various others to dig people out of the rubble, "the living--and the dead" (yes, innocent bystanders actually die in British comics; I suspect that in an American Marvel title in '76, all the damaged buildings would have been conveniently empty). Jacko Tanner is still sniping at Brian Braddock, despite Braddock being nowhere in sight, which suggests that he has some deep rooted obsession with him, but CB's ego gets a bit of a boost when Dai Thomas turns up with his subordinate, Inspector Kate Fraser, and starts ranting about "super powered yobbos" turning London into their "private punching ground": Brian's tutor, Dr. Neil MacKenzie,mounts a spirited defence of our hero and tells Thomas he thinks he's attacking the wrong man. CB slips away while they're arguing, his departure noticed only by Kate Fraser, who says nothing. Fraser, incidentally, is another character last seen in that same Blade series in which Thomas made his debut. She's another character who will basically fade into the background pretty quickly here, and while in her original appearances she had some sort of psychic ability, it's never mentioned in this series, possibly because Claremont has plans to introduce a female psychic of his own in the near future. Or maybe he just forgot. Meanwhile, a throwaway character already introduced is about to make his second and in all probability last appearance, but it is a significant one. Sandy York (remember him?) is an amateur potographer, and he tried to photograph Hurricane, hoping to sell the pictures to "The Mail or The Mirror", but is baffled to find that every one of them is fogged. Brian's genius intellect immediately leads him to deduce that Hurricane's armour is nuclear powered; "that glow surrounding him--that's from an intense concentration of radioactivity affecting the photographic negative". This gives Brian an idea... We cut to some hours later at Brian's flat in Seraph Mews, which we've never seen before, and which he apparently rents from Dr. MacKenzie because it gives him access to MacKenzie's private lab. With a speed which even Tony Stark would envy, Brian pinpoints the exact type of radiation Hurricane is emitting by examining bits of the buildings he touched, and whips up a tracking device which will lead him straight to him. He also establishes that Hurricane's gear is unstable, he is "a walking H bomb", and if he goes off "it's bye-bye London"! Hurricane has returned to his lair, where he muses on what part of London to destroy next before demanding a ransom of "a billion pounds in gold", but before he can choose he is rudely interrupted by our hero, who bursts in through a skylight and announces that he is there "to end your madness once and for all--or die trying!" That didn't work out too well last time, of course. Still, maybe Brian's due for a change of luck...though I'm actually wondering why, if Hurricane's armour is so radioactive, he doesn't just sit back and wait for the guy to drop dead. What do you mean, "that's not very heroic"?
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Post by mikelmidnight on Nov 11, 2016 12:35:58 GMT -5
And Brian never really recovered from what Claremont did to him. I saw Claremont at a con in the 80s and he made some very childishly sarcastic comments about Moore. I have long believed he wrote Excalibur with a deliberate plan to sabotage every single one of Moore's concepts in the title.
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Post by tingramretro on Nov 12, 2016 12:16:23 GMT -5
Captain Britain #6 (Nov '76)Script: Chris Claremont Art: Herb Trimpe/Fred Kida "Havoc at Heathrow" OK, there's really not a great deal to say about this issue, as all we basically get is a protracted fight scene between Captain Britain (who still doesn't seem to know what he's doing, and at one point even sabotages himself by carelessly dropping his quarterstaff and then can't find an opportunity to recover it) and Hurricane, who appears to have him totally outclassed. The Captain does discover that his foe's weak point is the cooling unit in his backpack, but he can't get close enough to him to do anything about it. Eventually, having narrowly failed to drop a jumbo jet on CB, Hurricane manages to knock him out again by sucking all the air out of his lungs with a wind tunnel, and our hero awakens to find himself chained over the air intake of a Concorde. Hurricane has been waiting for him to wake up, and now intends to turn the engine on at full throttle: the Captain will be sucked into the engine, and become mincemeat... I think Hurricane has been watching too many old movie serials, personally. Why didn't he just kill him while he was out cold? Oh yes, one piece of trivia: the cover image of this issue was used on one of the earliest and now rarest pieces of Captain Britain related merchandise: a 180 piece jigsaw puzzle, released in 1977.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2016 13:03:34 GMT -5
I remember buyng a few issues of Captain Britain, although it was the ones with FF stories in them as back-up strips. Which is why I bought them. I never appreciated Cpt Britain at the time, probably seeng him as a poor man's Cpt America... my loss!
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Post by tingramretro on Nov 12, 2016 13:24:58 GMT -5
Captain Britain #7 (Nov '76)Script: Chris Claremont Art: Herb Trimpe/Fred Kida "Wind of Death" The Hurricane saga finally concludes after four issues, and better yet, we finally find out who our windy villain is and why he's doing what he's doing, as-in a move straight out of the Superhero Handbook-CB staves off his impending doom by inviting Hurricane to "at least tell me the reason--! You obviously have genius! Why use it criminally?" Naturally, there isn't a supervillain alive who can resist that line, so the Captain's predicament is sidelined for a bit as we go into a flashback of Albert Potter, a meteorologist employed by the London Weather Research Centre, who is attempting to "tame the big wind". A noble goal no doubt, but poor Bert has wasted ten million quid in trying and failing, we are told, and his lousy attitude doesn't excatly endear him to his co-workers, either (lines like "He who controls the weather will control the world" can't fail to be a little worrying for those having to work with him, one feels). Inevitably, Bert's project is cancelled, but the Director doesn't know that Bert has completed his "experimental weather control craft", which he foolishly flies into the heart of a Hurricane, thinking he can destroy it. He can't... His craft destroyed by repeated lightning strikes and powerful winds, Bert somehow survives a four thousand metre fall into the ocean and drifts for two days before being rescued by a passing ship. The only visible sign of his ordeal is total hair loss (why? Who knows) but Bert, who wasn't exactly playing with a full deck to start with, is now completely unhinged and believes his misfortune to have been caused by the deliberate sabotage of his craft by some cworker jealous of his brilliance. "All mankind was guilty--guilty of ridicule and scorn--and now that the hurricane had changed me--had made me one with itself--I had the power to exact my vengeance!" This, he did-by "hiding from my unsuspecting enemies" while building his super suit, and then embarking on his ever so slightly silly blackmail scheme (one suspects that in the meantime, Bert's "unsuspecting enemies" back at the centre have probably forgotten all about him). It's rather vague at this point whether Bert has actually gained powers from the storm which the suit is somehow regulating, or if his abilities come from the suit, and he's just developed some sort of god complex. Either way, his monologue has given our hero a chance: as Hurricane starts up the engine, te Captain manages to free a hand, and uses it to rub his magic amulet, reasoning that "the chains are set to hold Captain Brtain, not Brian Braddock." The shackles holdig him fall straight off Brian, who is "slimmer as a non superhero", and he (somehow) swings himself out of the jet intake before it can suck him in, before resuming his super form. Deducing that Hurricane has indeed somehow internalized the power of the hurricane, CB then works out that it's his backpack that's regulating that power, cooling "the tremendous heat generating within him". Engaging the bad guy again, the Captain at first can't get near him, but then figures out how to use his previous defeats to his advantage: he pretends to pass out again, luring the villain to him, then slips his staff under the straps of Hurricane's backpack and levers it off him. Seconds later, the villain collapses: "Deprived of a cooling system for drawing off his tremendous body heat--Hurricane literally burned himself out!" The clear implication is that Hurricane is dead, like the Reaver before him, though well over a decade later he would be revived having supposedly spent years incarcerated at "Darkmoor Prison" in the 90s series Gene Dogs, and would later battle the Fantastic Four after for some reason moving to America (see below). Captain Britain ends the issue by musing, as the airport security staff run onto the scene, "poor, hapless Albert Potter! He had so much genius! He could have done so much to help mankind...but instead he chose to throw it all away".
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Post by tingramretro on Nov 12, 2016 13:34:29 GMT -5
I remember buyng a few issues of Captain Britain, although it was the ones with FF stories in them as back-up strips. Which is why I bought them. I never appreciated Cpt Britain at the time, probably seeng him as a poor man's Cpt America... my loss! Sadly, I suspect you were not alone in this view at the time.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 12, 2016 15:58:42 GMT -5
Captain Britain #7 (Nov '76)Script: Chris Claremont Art: Herb Trimpe/Fred Kida "Wind of Death" The Hurricane saga finally concludes after four issues, and better yet, we finally find out who our windy villain is and why he's doing what he's doing, as-in a move straight out of the Superhero Handbook-CB staves off his impending doom by inviting Hurricane to "at least tell me the reason--! You obviously have genius! Why use it criminally?" Naturally, there isn't a supervillain alive who can resist that line, so the Captain's predicament is sidelined for a bit as we go into a flashback of Albert Potter, a meteorologist employed by the London Weather Research Centre, who is attempting to "tame the big wind". A noble goal no doubt, but poor Bert has wasted ten million quid in trying and failing, we are told, and his lousy attitude doesn't excatly endear him to his co-workers, either (lines like "He who controls the weather will control the world" can't fail to be a little worrying for those having to work with him, one feels). Inevitably, Bert's project is cancelled, but the Director doesn't know that Bert has completed his "experimental weather control craft", which he foolishly flies into the heart of a Hurricane, thinking he can destroy it. He can't... His craft destroyed by repeated lightning strikes and powerful winds, Bert somehow survives a four thousand metre fall into the ocean and drifts for two days before being rescued by a passing ship. The only visible sign of his ordeal is total hair loss (why? Who knows) but Bert, who wasn't exactly playing with a full deck to start with, is now completely unhinged and believes his misfortune to have been caused by the deliberate sabotage of his craft by some cworker jealous of his brilliance. "All mankind was guilty--guilty of ridicule and scorn--and now that the hurricane had changed me--had made me one with itself--I had the power to exact my vengeance!" This, he did-by "hiding from my unsuspecting enemies" while building his super suit, and then embarking on his ever so slightly silly blackmail scheme (one suspects that in the meantime, Bert's "unsuspecting enemies" back at the centre have probably forgotten all about him). It's rather vague at this point whether Bert has actually gained powers from the storm which the suit is somehow regulating, or if his abilities come from the suit, and he's just developed some sort of god complex. Either way, his monologue has given our hero a chance: as Hurricane starts up the engine, te Captain manages to free a hand, and uses it to rub his magic amulet, reasoning that "the chains are set to hold Captain Brtain, not Brian Braddock." The shackles holdig him fall straight off Brian, who is "slimmer as a non superhero", and he (somehow) swings himself out of the jet intake before it can suck him in, before resuming his super form. Deducing that Hurricane has indeed somehow internalized the power of the hurricane, CB then works out that it's his backpack that's regulating that power, cooling "the tremendous heat generating within him". Engaging the bad guy again, the Captain at first can't get near him, but then figures out how to use his previous defeats to his advantage: he pretends to pass out again, luring the villain to him, then slips his staff under the straps of Hurricane's backpack and levers it off him. Seconds later, the villain collapses: "Deprived of a cooling system for drawing off his tremendous body heat--Hurricane literally burned himself out!" The clear implication is that Hurricane is dead, like the Reaver before him, though well over a decade later he would be revived having supposedly spent years incarcerated at "Darkmoor Prison" in the 90s series Gene Dogs, and would later battle the Fantastic Four after for some reason moving to America (see below). Captain Britain ends the issue by musing, as the airport security staff run onto the scene, "poor, hapless Albert Potter! He had so much genius! He could have done so much to help mankind...but instead he chose to throw it all away". The Concorde would have to have been twisted almost in half for the cockpit to have that view of the engine intake! Makes it pretty hard to fly; no wonder the thing fell apart on take off! Despite his acclaim, Claremont did have more than a few villains of the, "They laughed at me and now they shall all pay" ilk.
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