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Post by chadwilliam on Sept 12, 2018 14:13:40 GMT -5
www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/why-norm-macdonalds-new-talk-show-wont-target-trump-1141832Norm MacDonald is under fire for... well, I'm not exactly sure. "That's not healthy - that there is no forgiveness"; "It used to be, 'One hundred women can't be lying,' and then that became 'one woman can't lie.' And that became 'I believe all women'"; "People will go, 'What about the victims?', but you know what? The victims didn't have to go through that"? I'm honestly not seeing what's so crazy about any of this. While I personally wouldn't forgive someone like Louis CK or ever want to see him in a position where he can exercise control over another human being (Roseanne is a different matter since I don't believe she knew that Valerie Jarrett was black when she went on her rant) I can't really fault MacDonald for his opinion that maybe the guy deserves another chance - not really my view, but this isn't an idea that gets me frothing at the mouth either. His point about an accusation of sexual assault now being much the same as evidence in the court of the public opinion is well said and I hope isn't the source of all this anger being directed towards MacDonald while his "the victims didn't have to go through that" just seems to reiterate his opinion that there is a certain amount of overkill involved when ruling out the possibility of atonement on the part of people like Louis CK. What am I missing here?
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Post by beccabear67 on Sept 12, 2018 23:01:43 GMT -5
If Louis CK had pulled his twig out around me I'd have just laughed. I mean, he's a comedian after all, but even besides that I'd have laughed. On the scale of atrocities, what I heard about is small small particularly small stuff. There may be other stuff I don't know about tyhat he did, but this doesn't seem like Bill Cosby level drugging and raping. Some of these victimized women are awfully fragile to me because I know first hand what real abuse is from a one time violent incident when I was little (and that last-minute baby sitter's brother was probably abused himself at a residential school or something). None of which is to say Louis or Bill Clinton or whoever is a saint, or anyone is laying about them... but garden variety flakey is not out of control monster. Is that going to be it for Charlie Rose and Al Franken too? Really? I think it has gone a little too far sometimes into flipping of the collective wig over every single (yet very real) infraction... because there are some (fewer no doubt) women who are abusive as well... so the war of the sexes things never worked for me, not since the first diesel dutchess grabbed me way back up to whenever the last one did it, in junior high change-room, cornered working at a retail shop, accepting a ride home not realizing etc. etc. Oh, I was traumatized! No, that's just life among human beings pretty much anywhere. Talk about it but there's not going to be as many people if any infraction sends someone to Siberia forever. Males grab at females, females grab at females, males grab at males, females grab at males, big monkey hits middle monkey, middle monkey hits little monkey, little monkey flips out on branch or goes to twitter...
Norm McDonald is hilarious to me and I will cut him some slack even if he were wrong anyway. Somewhere way before the Bill Cosby line would be the Siberia point though. Woody Allen still made some movies I like, and he enjoys Sidney Bechet music too, all I can be is sorry he's such a pervy idiot on top of talented, but I won't throw out Zelig and Purple Rose Of Cairo.
What we are missing usually is balance. No extremes one way or the other work out for most people... it's called civilization basically.
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Post by chadwilliam on Sept 13, 2018 18:24:42 GMT -5
What we are missing usually is balance. No extremes one way or the other work out for most people... it's called civilization basically. I can understand knee-jerk reactions - I've certainly been guilty of this - but in the past, people could decide what conclusions they should come to by contemplating an issue in solitude. Read an article and then think about what it means. Nowadays, articles such as these come with a tag telling you "Here's an interview/article/piece of footage and you should be appalled by what you're about to see". Before even knowing the contents of the MacDonald article, I was being told that what I was about to read should anger me. Had it been released without comment, I can't imagine there would be such outrage amongst so many people.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Sept 14, 2018 10:08:22 GMT -5
Extreme knee jerk reactions are the norm. Because as chadwilliam points out media needs to sell their product. And nothing sells product better than drama. Add to that the lean or direction that pieces like these have is appealing to a bias. And keeping people entrenched in that bias. Icing on the cake is much of it is also written to push the reader to take a political side. With the Norm case, he spoke out about Trump. So now we have piece that's going to appeal to a liberal stance that we should just judge Norm because he didn't say something disparaging about Trump. As if all liberal people are some hivemind that just rage at the sight of his name. And the same can be said of articles appealing to the conservative side. It's all made to keep people in the trench they are already in and keep the divide as big as it is, or better yet bigger. If we are so busy judging and can't see a person or a opinion as more than just liberal or conservative, then we don't a bright future for the next generation.
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Post by beccabear67 on Sept 14, 2018 17:15:20 GMT -5
We're going to be slimming the tv at my folks' house way down to a few PBS type channels, CBC Canada and a local channel for local news and Jeopardy. My BF only has what's on digital over-the-air (an old sf & horror thing called Comet, MeTV and a PBS station's mini-raft of stuff). I have mostly hated all the reality type shows since whenever they started with very few exceptions (American Pickers and one home repair thing that is long gone)... stuff like Survivor, Big Brother, American Idol and The Apprentice I know exist but have never ever watched any even once. I guess that's considered weird but I cannot imagine wanting to. I'll watch ice hockey and sometimes soccer or baseball, so not some kind of culture snob here, but what they call 'reality' shows are so unreal to me as to be not even laughable. I tend to like my news to be dry and wide-ranging if it's not local... information I need or affects me is what I want, no cooking segments, movie trailers, celebrity whatever... so most of the news infotainment type of thing just irritates me within a couple minutes to leave in frustration, and the talking experts are usually on and on and on about one flashy story only so it's useless mostly as well. I can think for myself... bring back Donohue for 'discussions' (but he got wiped out back with Dan Rather, ugh, talk about being politically incorrect). In other words I'm hopelessly Anglo-Canadian. I'll probably go to that lukewarm hell we middle-of-the-road people were warned about! But even we have learned to be rude sometimes on-line. Garbage in = garbage out? So... someone needs to take out the garbage...
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 14, 2018 17:25:27 GMT -5
You can only have an authentic reality show if it's all shot with hidden cameras. The participants are told what to say and take on roles as good and bad guys at the request of the writers.
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Post by hondobrode on Sept 14, 2018 19:31:58 GMT -5
Very true
The closest thing I've seen to a true reality show is a guilty pleasure of mine, the Steve Wilkos Show.
He was the big bald bodyguard for the Jerry Springer show. He spun off his own show, working with Springer. Springer's show was scripted but Wilkos' is the real thing. It's not scripted and the content is real.
Now and again if I'm doing paperwork or in between phone calls I'll half watch / listen to it in the morning with my coffee.
Also NatGeo has an Alaskan Highway Patrol show I like. Not sure if it's real or not but I like it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2018 19:44:16 GMT -5
The closest thing I've seen to a true reality show is a guilty pleasure of mine, the Steve Wilkos Show. He was the big bald bodyguard for the Jerry Springer show. He spun off his own show, working with Springer. Springer's show was scripted but Wilkos' is the real thing. It's not scripted and the content is real. I do watch it once a week and to me, this show is a hard-hitting show that really tells like it is and Steve makes it very real to me. I watch it more in the Fall and Winter time and I'll find it a fascinating show to watch.
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Post by chadwilliam on Sept 14, 2018 20:56:33 GMT -5
And nothing sells product better than drama. Add to that the lean or direction that pieces like these have is appealing to a bias. And keeping people entrenched in that bias. Very well put - thank you. "Appealing to a bias" is an excellent and succinct way of putting it.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Sept 15, 2018 6:33:59 GMT -5
Oh, for crying out loud...
The aspect I hate the most about getting older is how, as in a car, everything starts to go at a certain point.
I was diligently flossing yesterday when PING!!! -the better part of a molar goes flying. It has been repaired in my teens, and the filling had been replaced a decade ago... but now the whole thing gave up the soul. As the remnants are pretty ugly and barely jut above the gum, I seriously doubt it can be repaired yet again... it will have to be removed, t what I imagine will be a hefty price.
What’s next? An eye that pops out?
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Post by The Captain on Sept 15, 2018 12:07:15 GMT -5
I had an amazing conversation this morning with my 10-year old daughter. We were out for a dad-and-daughter morning, as my wife took our older daughter to a service project at a local non-profit dedicated to helping a very poor community with our church's middle school kids, and as we walked down the street after breakfast and shopping, we passed some folks who had cardboard signs asking for money.
She looked up at me and said, "You know what I don't like about the Strip District? All the homeless people." At first, I was shocked, because I didn't know where she was going with that thought, so I asked her what she meant and why she felt that way, but her answer was so innocent and honest that it almost made me cry on the street. She told me, "I don't like seeing them out here, because I just want to help all of them but I know that I can't, and that makes me really sad. It makes me want to cry."
I just gave her a hug, told her that we can help them as best we can, and hopefully, if enough people help them, then they will be able to not have to sit out there. She gets her heart from her mother, who wants to heal the world and everyone in it, and I hope she stays that way instead of growing up to be jaded and detached from seeing the needs of others.
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Post by comicsandwho on Sept 15, 2018 13:05:43 GMT -5
What we are missing usually is balance. No extremes one way or the other work out for most people... it's called civilization basically. I can understand knee-jerk reactions - I've certainly been guilty of this - but in the past, people could decide what conclusions they should come to by contemplating an issue in solitude. Read an article and then think about what it means. Nowadays, articles such as these come with a tag telling you "Here's an interview/article/piece of footage and you should be appalled by what you're about to see". Before even knowing the contents of the MacDonald article, I was being told that what I was about to read should anger me. Had it been released without comment, I can't imagine there would be such outrage amongst so many people. I can't stand the snarky, juvenile, borderline-brain-damaged, writing style employed by most web sites. "OMG, WE are SO freakd out by what happens on 'Name of TV show', 'Meaghan Markle smiled, and we all have the feels', etc. When this approach is applied to 'hard' news stories (no Louis CK pun intended!), it seems to trivialize it. Esquire magazine overdoes this, to the point where just about every 'opinion' piece has a snarky headline. I can't express my contempt for snark...without being snarky!
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Post by bor on Sept 16, 2018 1:27:52 GMT -5
I am moving in with my girlfriend, well she is moving it with me, which means I am currently cutting down my collection. Its really not as hard as I thought it would be. For most modern issues/ collections am fine with selling them and just reading them digitally instead on Marvel unlimited or stuff like that. Its also made me realize how much space I can actually save this way.
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 16, 2018 8:23:41 GMT -5
@mechagodzilla, these two are for you. Yvonne Craig on the Batman set. Linda Carter competing in the TV show " Battle of the network Stars"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 9:49:31 GMT -5
Thanks Icctrombone -- Those are great pictures of them.
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