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Post by Confessor on Apr 10, 2020 19:17:10 GMT -5
I've always wanted to play table-top RPGs, but kind of came from one of those households that thought that D&D was strictly for satanists. FASA's Battletech kind of caught my attention after playing Mechwarrior 2: Mercenaries at a young age. The problem is that I'm kind of have nobody to play with. Shadowrun and Vampire The Masquerade look fun as well I hear ya! I basically have nobody to play with either anymore, which is why I haven't done so for 20+ years. I've thought about joining local roleplay gaming clubs periodically, but...to be frank, I detest a lot of the "usual" dorky, role-playing gamer types. There were a lot of role-players attached to my local comic shop when it still existed, and they used to play in a room above the shop twice a week, but the interactions I had with them buying comics were enough to put me off of wanting to voluntarily socialise with them. They were just too dorky and socially awkward for me to want to associate with. Maybe that's snobbish of me? All I know is that, between the ages of, say, 13 and about 20, I had a group of good friends that were into RPGs, and playing adventures with them was a lot of fun. Unfortunately, we all started to drift apart as our 20s dawned: we got proper jobs, serious girlfriends, joined bands, people moved away etc...you know, life happened, basically. I don't really see any of those guys anymore. I'm hoping that my wife enjoys playing Call of Cthulhu and we can maybe do it again sometime. But I don't see myself ever playing in a larger group than me and her at any point in the future, really. As for the games you mentioned, I always enjoyed playing D&D and Advanced D&D back in the day. It's an all-time classic RPG for a reason. I did play Battletech a few times, but I remember it being more like a wargame, rather than a role-playing game. Still, it's fun if giant robots blowing each other up is your thing.
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Post by Batflunkie on Apr 10, 2020 19:45:20 GMT -5
As for the games you mentioned, I always enjoyed playing D&D and Advanced D&D back in the day. It's an all-time classic RPG for a reason. I did play Battletech a few times, but I remember it being more like a wargame, rather than a role-playing game. Still, it's fun if giant robots blowing each other up is your thing. What really got me hooked was the lore for the series. I also like that all the different faction books read like historical documents. There's also plenty of Battletech novels out there too
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2020 20:42:56 GMT -5
Batflunkie ConfessorI hear you about finding a group to play with. I've been playing since '81 and my wife since '82, and I used to freelance in the industry. Most of or friends who game have moved away over the years, or had kids, and don't have time to game anymore. And we haven't been able to get a game going in over a year, and none of our attempts to put a group together in the past five years have lasted only a few sessions before people's schedules (my own included) have undermined them. But tabletop rpgs, especially D&D fifth edition, are in a resurgence in popularity and are more popular now than even in their 80s heyday. It's become chic to play them, and there are a lot of online groups who play via videochat apps (SKYPE etc.) or through online tabletop subscription services. There's also a lot of game sessions available to stream or watch, many including celebrity participants who are into gaming. I posted about one on the DC streaming service that had a group playing the old 80s Mayfair DC rpg called All Star Games in the movie/tv section, as the first session is available for free on youtube. It's a decent way to show someone new how gaming works, or to check out how people play. I've never been into watching people game on Twitch (video games or tabletops), but All star Games was hella fun to watch and has started to change my mind on that. I don't really have the equipment to video chat here (I don't have a cam or a device I can use), but the possibility of doing a virtual gaming session with some of the folks here at some point is intriguing. Scheduling however, is always the nightmare, and the more people included, the more of a nightmare it becomes. -M edit to add: here's the link to the All Star Games thread/post -M
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Post by Confessor on Apr 10, 2020 21:03:06 GMT -5
I don't really have the equipment to video chat here (I don't have a cam or a device I can use), but the possibility of doing a virtual gaming session with some of the folks here at some point is intriguing. Scheduling however, is always the nightmare, and the more people included, the more of a nightmare it becomes. Definitely intriguing. As you say, scheduling -- and regular repeat scheduling at that -- would be a nightmare, I'm sure. But it's definitely an interesting idea to mull over.
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Post by Cei-U! on Apr 10, 2020 21:05:31 GMT -5
I've never liked table-top battle games like D&D. Too drawn out, too many rules, too danged boring. I'd rather play Monopoly or Risk or Trivial Pursuit if I'm feeling social or a good video game (assuming I can find one I can play in spite of my limited mobility) if I'm not. Guess I'm old-fashioned that way.
Cei-U! I summon a rousing game of Candyland!
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Post by The Captain on Apr 10, 2020 21:09:30 GMT -5
I have awesome memories of playing D&D in high school and even my first year of college. So many friends and late nights and long Saturday sessions.
After I got out of college and into my first professional job, there were a few people at work that played and we started a campaign, but the scheduling got tricky and it died pretty quickly.
A few guys at my church have thrown around the idea of starting a group to play, but I think that scheduling will again be an issue since everyone has kids, activities, etc.
As for joining a local gaming club, I think I'm past the age of just getting together with random people to play. It's one of the minor problems I have with playing Magic:The Gathering at local shops at this point, in that I find a lot of gamers to be annoying prats whose company I don't really enjoy. However, to be fair, I find 97% of people I meet to be annoying prats, so it's not really the gamers and more that I just don't like people to begin with.
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Post by Batflunkie on Apr 10, 2020 21:13:27 GMT -5
I've never liked table-top battle games like D&D. Too drawn out, too many rules, too danged boring. I'd rather play Monopoly or Risk or Trivial Pursuit if I'm feeling social or a good video game (assuming I can find one I can play in spite of my limited mobility) if I'm not. Guess I'm old-fashioned that way. Cei-U! I summon a rousing game of Candyland! There is stuff out there like Hero Quest and Munchkin which aim to simplify the D&D experience. But yeah I agree, while I like the idea of tabletop games, they do seem needlessly complex. And this is coming from someone who loves the Yugioh card game
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Post by Confessor on Apr 10, 2020 21:46:46 GMT -5
I've never liked table-top battle games like D&D. Too drawn out, too many rules, too danged boring. I'd rather play Monopoly or Risk or Trivial Pursuit if I'm feeling social or a good video game (assuming I can find one I can play in spite of my limited mobility) if I'm not. Guess I'm old-fashioned that way. Cei-U! I summon a rousing game of Candyland! I like Monopoly and Risk too -- especially Monopoly! I'm a ruthless player of that game and I win a lot. 😈 I also like other classic games like Cluedo and Trivial Pursuit, as well as traditional favourites like chess, dominoes, and backgammon. I've recently started playing the 221b Baker Street board game with my wife's family, which is a great Sherlock Holmes based game of deduction.
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Post by rberman on Apr 10, 2020 22:31:39 GMT -5
We play mainly games from the last 20 years. The kids love King of Tokyo, Smash Up!, Takenoko, Blokus, and My Litle Scythe. The grown-ups play Dominion, Carcasonne, Wingspan, Settlers of Catan, Power Grid, and Ticket to Ride. Chess, Checkers, Battleship, and Connect Four are not unknown. I used to play a ton of Heroscape and Magic:The Gathering with my now-teen son.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2020 0:03:04 GMT -5
I've never liked table-top battle games like D&D. Too drawn out, too many rules, too danged boring. I'd rather play Monopoly or Risk or Trivial Pursuit if I'm feeling social or a good video game (assuming I can find one I can play in spite of my limited mobility) if I'm not. Guess I'm old-fashioned that way. Cei-U! I summon a rousing game of Candyland! There is stuff out there like Hero Quest and Munchkin which aim to simplify the D&D experience. But yeah I agree, while I like the idea of tabletop games, they do seem needlessly complex. And this is coming from someone who loves the Yugioh card game I've been a part of and run tabletop games that have required nothing more complicated in the rules than tell me what you do and let's flip a coin to see if you succeed, an nothing more than a scrap of paper with a few ideas jotted down 5 minutes before we started by way of material for the game. It's been done at recess when I was in junior high to in hotel rooms (or hotel lobbies) or a bar at a gaming convention with people I had just met that day deciding to have an impromptu game after the day's events ended. I've also played in games that required a stack of rulebooks, hundreds of charts, maps, miniatures, measuring tapes and other paraphernalia to play. I find the closer games are to the former than the latter, the more fun I have. The last time I ran an extended D&D campaign, the only DM tools I used were a single double-sided piece of paper I had typed up and laminated that served as a reference sheet for the key rules of D&D fifth edition, a set of dice, and a set of index cards with character names and a few personality notes/factoids so I could play them "in character" when needed and a single index card with a handful of plot beats for the session. Each of the other players had their character sheet and a set of dice. Everything else was mostly improv, made up as I went along, and then after the session notes would get jotted down so I would remember what happened and could build on it next time. A session would run 3-4 hours and usually the rule books were never cracked open during the sessions. I much prefer a rules light, fast-moving character driven game. Fifth edition has streamlined the cumbersome rules of previous editions, and I tend to strip it down even more when I run games. But there are people who like more rule-heavy games (crunchy in the lingua franca of rpgs). -M
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Apr 11, 2020 10:09:06 GMT -5
Thinking of Mort Drucker, may he rest in peace, got me to thinking of Mad Magazine and the impact it had on my world and world-view. I wasn't alone in feeling that impact. Plenty of our great artists have cited Mad as an influence. Without Mad, The Simpsons likely doesn't exist. Roger Ebert, Weird Al, Terry Gilliam, Patti Smith, Tom Hayden and a host of others have cited Mad as informing their work.
Mad, and Drucker by extension, hasn't led me to change the world artistically or politically. But for a kid from small-town Idaho, Mad Magazine was a world changer. If the U.S. was pretty homogeneous when I was growing up, Idaho turned that up to 11. Small-town Idaho boosted the signal a bit more. For most of my childhood there were three TV stations and one of them was snowy. PBS was a rumor that one could vaguely discern if the atmospheric conditions were ideal and the winds were blowing appropriately from Pocatello. The theater consisted of Saturday matinees of Walt Disney movies if you could convince someone to drive you to the movies because it was 10 miles either way. I think, if I dig deep into my brain I can remember going to the movies as a family, at night, two or three times.
Mad opened up a different world. One I didn't always understand. One that showed me things didn't make sense until years later when my world wasn't so insular. But the way was prepped in black and white by the Usual Gang of Idiots. Again, getting back to Drucker, most movies, if they were seen at all, were seen well after their release, edited for television, on small screens. But Mad and Drucker showed them to me well before that. And in many cases, decades before home video would allow me to see the films that I'd read about as a kid. I can never watch The Sting, a movie that I love, and not see Nixon and Agnew on the cover of Mad #171 or view the film without the lens of Drucker and Arnie Kogan distilling it to its essence. I read “The Odd Father” long before I ever saw “The Godfather.” Both are equally beloved by me.
I learned far more about politics from Mad Magazine than I ever learned at home. There was this hip irreverent look at what was happening in the country that stuck with me. When you come from “love it or leave it” country it's both jarring and liberating to see the elites castigated. My journey to where I am politically took a long and winding road. But one of the stops along the way was Mad Magazine. And much of what I digested there forty-five years ago still stays with me.
The world outside my window growing up looked largely like me. Mad gave me a window on a wide world. And ever facet of that world was subject to the unblinking light of satire. It was a heady thing for a youngster. Maybe it helped prepare me for today when it frequently feels like I live in a world that is Mad Magazine feature.
So thanks again Mr. Drucker. And to all the Usual Gang of Idiots. Thanks for showing me a world that I couldn't otherwise see. And thanks for poking fun at it so I could be in on the joke.
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Post by Prince Hal on Apr 11, 2020 10:26:15 GMT -5
Beautifully put, Slam_Bradley. I know you speak for millions of kids who grew up reading MAD. I'm a little older and though I grew up in a very different environment, a steady diet of Catholicism, in school and at home, made for a similarly restricted world-view. For me, MAD provided the same eye-opening view of the real world. MAD's mixture of cynicism, skepticism and heart was just what every kid like me needed to make him think about the world beyond the boundaries of Pleasantville.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Apr 11, 2020 10:35:17 GMT -5
Beautifully put, Slam_Bradley . I know you speak for millions of kids who grew up reading MAD. I'm a little older and though I grew up in a very different environment, a steady diet of Catholicism, in school and at home, made for a similarly restricted world-view. For me, MAD provided the same eye-opening view of the real world. MAD's mixture of cynicism, skepticism and heart was just what every kid like me needed to make him think about the world beyond the boundaries of Pleasantville. I got to looking at the movie parodies (seems Angelo Torres did more of the TV parodies) that Drucker did and it struck me that I didn't see the majority of those movies until years later. Some I saw on TV (The Towering Inferno, The Poseidon Adventure) but for most of them it wasn't until I was an adult and the advent of home video. But I really felt like I was keyed in to what was happening in the world because of that magazine.
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Post by Prince Hal on Apr 11, 2020 13:25:30 GMT -5
Beautifully put, Slam_Bradley . I know you speak for millions of kids who grew up reading MAD. I'm a little older and though I grew up in a very different environment, a steady diet of Catholicism, in school and at home, made for a similarly restricted world-view. For me, MAD provided the same eye-opening view of the real world. MAD's mixture of cynicism, skepticism and heart was just what every kid like me needed to make him think about the world beyond the boundaries of Pleasantville. I got to looking at the movie parodies (seems Angelo Torres did more of the TV parodies) that Drucker did and it struck me that I didn't see the majority of those movies until years later. Some I saw on TV (The Towering Inferno, The Poseidon Adventure) but for most of them it wasn't until I was an adult and the advent of home video. But I really felt like I was keyed in to what was happening in the world because of that magazine. I never saw any of the movies that were parodied, either, but reading them made me conversant enough with them that I could hold my own in any conversation about them.
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Post by beccabear67 on Apr 11, 2020 13:55:23 GMT -5
Thanks to Mad Magazine I have the images of a series of Spiro T. Agnew stamps permanently branded on my brain... at least one was 'denouncing the press'. Even as a little kid I found this particularly hilarious for some reason, but who doesn't like to see adults looking foolish by their own actions? It was tax evasion that ultimately got him, correct?
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