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Post by DE Sinclair on Sept 7, 2022 21:00:17 GMT -5
Seems like a strange way to pick a leader, though I suppose it's a step up from relying on strange women laying in ponds to distribute swords to the right people.  "You can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you. I mean, if I went 'round, sayin' I was an emperor, just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!" — Dennis the Peasant |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Sept 8, 2022 13:12:17 GMT -5
With the passing of the Queen, do you think Prince Charles will stylize himself as King Charles III or pick one of his other names? I mean, if I got to pick and I was him I'd sure as hell go with King Arthur as it's one of his middle names. I'm honestly surprised no English monarch has ever actually gone with that title.
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Post by impulse on Sept 8, 2022 13:49:00 GMT -5
With the passing of the Queen, do you think Prince Charles will stylize himself as King Charles III or pick one of his other names? I mean, if I got to pick and I was him I'd sure as hell go with King Arthur as it's one of his middle names. I'm honestly surprised no English monarch has ever actually gone with that title. Probably because nobody can remember where the damn sword is. It would be silly to be King Arthur and roll up without Excalibur. |
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Post by EdoBosnar on Sept 8, 2022 14:14:30 GMT -5
With the passing of the Queen, do you think Prince Charles will stylize himself as King Charles III or pick one of his other names? I mean, if I got to pick and I was him I'd sure as hell go with King Arthur as it's one of his middle names. I'm honestly surprised no English monarch has ever actually gone with that title. Probably because nobody can remember where the damn sword is. It would be silly to be King Arthur and roll up without Excalibur. Well, if a claim put forth in a Martin Mystère comic I recently read is true, then the Holy Lance (aka the Spear of Destiny) is actually Excalibur. So if we see news of it being mysteriously stolen from the Hofburg Palace in Vienna in the next few days, we just may live to see a King Arthur of England... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2022 15:30:47 GMT -5
With the passing of the Queen, do you think Prince Charles will stylize himself as King Charles III or pick one of his other names? I mean, if I got to pick and I was him I'd sure as hell go with King Arthur as it's one of his middle names. I'm honestly surprised no English monarch has ever actually gone with that title. Probably because nobody can remember where the damn sword is. It would be silly to be King Arthur and roll up without Excalibur. All I know of the Arthur mythos is through pop culture osmosis, and I just realized - Arthur pulled the sword from the stone, and it was granted to him by the Lady Of The Lake? Are these separate traditions, or did Arthur pull it from the stone so hard that it went flying into a nearby Lady-lake, and The Lady retrieved it for him? |
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Post by Prince Hal on Sept 8, 2022 15:40:28 GMT -5
Probably because nobody can remember where the damn sword is. It would be silly to be King Arthur and roll up without Excalibur. All I know of the Arthur mythos is through pop culture osmosis, and I just realized - Arthur pulled the sword from the stone, and it was granted to him by the Lady Of The Lake? Are these separate traditions, or did Arthur pull it from the stone so hard that it went flying into a nearby Lady-lake, and The Lady retrieved it for him? Two versions, two different authors. One, a French poem by Robert de Boron, has him extracting a sword from a stone (not then identified by name) when he was a boy; the other (the Lady in the Lake story) is from another French poem that Malory appropriated for Le Morte d'Arthur. Roy Thomas has probably ret-conned them by now. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Sept 8, 2022 15:44:33 GMT -5
All I know of the Arthur mythos is through pop culture osmosis, and I just realized - Arthur pulled the sword from the stone, and it was granted to him by the Lady Of The Lake? Are these separate traditions, or did Arthur pull it from the stone so hard that it went flying into a nearby Lady-lake, and The Lady retrieved it for him? Two versions, two different authors. One, a French poem by Robert de Boron, has him extracting a sword from a stone (not then identified by name) when he was a boy; the other (the Lady in the Lake story) is from another French poem that Malory appropriated for Le Morte d'Arthur. Roy Thomas has probably ret-conned them by now. Yeah, the first one was his father's sword and by being able to pull it from the stone he proved his lineage and thus became King, the second was a magical sword granted to him on a quest. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2022 16:01:53 GMT -5
All I know of the Arthur mythos is through pop culture osmosis, and I just realized - Arthur pulled the sword from the stone, and it was granted to him by the Lady Of The Lake? Are these separate traditions, or did Arthur pull it from the stone so hard that it went flying into a nearby Lady-lake, and The Lady retrieved it for him? Two versions, two different authors. One, a French poem by Robert de Boron, has him extracting a sword from a stone (not then identified by name) when he was a boy; the other (the Lady in the Lake story) is from another French poem that Malory appropriated for Le Morte d'Arthur. Roy Thomas has probably ret-conned them by now. And I wanna read that. Now I'm wondering why the French were so keen on Welsh (right?) legends/mythology. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Sept 8, 2022 16:21:29 GMT -5
Two versions, two different authors. One, a French poem by Robert de Boron, has him extracting a sword from a stone (not then identified by name) when he was a boy; the other (the Lady in the Lake story) is from another French poem that Malory appropriated for Le Morte d'Arthur. Roy Thomas has probably ret-conned them by now. And I wanna read that. Now I'm wondering why the French were so keen on Welsh (right?) legends/mythology. Briefly, there were many links culturally and linguistically between northern France and the British Isles, especially the southern regions, going way way back. Like thousands of years ago. Note the similarity, for instance between the names Britain, Brittainy and Breton. The people shared many aspects of culture. |
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Post by tartanphantom on Sept 8, 2022 17:29:26 GMT -5
And I wanna read that. Now I'm wondering why the French were so keen on Welsh (right?) legends/mythology. Briefly, there were many links culturally and linguistically between northern France and the British Isles, especially the southern regions, going way way back. Like thousands of years ago. Note the similarity, for instance between the names Britain, Brittainy and Breton. The people shared many aspects of culture.
Not to mention their mutual love for potatoes in virtually any form. 
The history of the Franks, Gauls, Normans (of mixed Viking descent), Cornish, Welsh and Celts (who descended from the Gauls) is hopelessly and forever intertwined throughout history.
Throw in the involvement of the Picts, Angles, Saxons, Romans and Frisians, and the British Isles are a cultural melting pot unto themselves.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Sept 8, 2022 17:52:12 GMT -5
And I wanna read that. Now I'm wondering why the French were so keen on Welsh (right?) legends/mythology. Briefly, there were many links culturally and linguistically between northern France and the British Isles, especially the southern regions, going way way back. Like thousands of years ago. Note the similarity, for instance between the names Britain, Brittainy and Breton. The people shared many aspects of culture. In French it's even closer, as we use the same name for Brittany and Britain: Bretagne. We distinguish them by adding an adjective in front Britain's name, giving us Grande Bretagne. |
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Post by impulse on Sept 9, 2022 9:35:50 GMT -5
Briefly, there were many links culturally and linguistically between northern France and the British Isles, especially the southern regions, going way way back. Like thousands of years ago. Note the similarity, for instance between the names Britain, Brittainy and Breton. The people shared many aspects of culture. In French it's even closer, as we use the same name for Brittany and Britain: Bretagne. We distinguish them by adding an adjective in front Britain's name, giving us Grande Bretagne.I was today years old when I realized the name Brittany is associated with Britain. Boy, do I feel dumb. |
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Post by Rob Allen on Sept 9, 2022 10:16:15 GMT -5
The way I understand it, the island was called "Greater" Britain because it was bigger, and the peninsula was "Lesser Britain". The "-er" suffix dropped away at some point and they became "Great Britain" and "Less Britain" in English. One name stuck; the other didn't, possibly because they didn't speak English in Less Britain.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2022 10:40:13 GMT -5
I always thought that "The British Isles" was a comprehensive collection of land that was British (in a strictly geographical sense). I'm not familiar with the term "Lesser Britain", but if I had heard it, I would have guessed that it referred to Ireland. I thought that the "Great" was only in comparison to the rest of the islands.
I always prided myself (slightly, but still) on never mixing up the UK, England, and Great Britain, but even though I haven't been wrong, part of the story is apparently different from my assumptions.
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Post by Rob Allen on Sept 9, 2022 12:49:51 GMT -5
At some point the meaning of "British" changed from "a Celtic ethnolinguistic group" to "people who live on the island of Great Britain and/or are subjects of its monarch". In the earlier ethnolinguistic sense, Ireland was never British. The Gaels are a completely different Celtic group.
When the barbarian Angles and Saxons overran most of Roman Britannia, many Britons fled across the Channel to the province of Armorica, which retained Roman civil culture a while longer than most of western Europe. The British refugees came to dominate western Armorica, so it became known as the other, or "lesser" place of the British.
A smaller group of Britons fled to Galicia in northwest Spain. They were eventually assimilated; their language and culture died out except for some musical instruments and styles.
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