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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 1:07:54 GMT -5
I'm fairly close with my moms side of the family. Not as close as they all are with each other but I moved away as a kid and pretty much only came around for Christmas for most of my childhood. I'm also a bit older than all my cousins, closer in age to my aunt than my own sister. But I try to make it to all the family events now.
My dads side of the family I don't really talk to anyone anymore, even though there's a handful of people I like on that side of the family. Haven't seen my cousin Randy since I was a teen. Haven't seen my uncle Rob in ten years, but I talk to him on Facebook here and there
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Post by impulse on Apr 8, 2015 10:08:11 GMT -5
Okay, got to vent.
I'm in the awkward position of my parents (read: mother) inviting herself along to a friends trip my wife planned and bought me for my Christmas/birthday present. They recently moved here to help us watch the baby, and part of the surprise to me was flying my sister into town who none of us see too frequently, though they just saw her a few weeks ago. My mother seems to know no boundaries where my sister is concerned, and while I feel silly and peevish as a man in my thirties resenting my parents crashing a social event, and while I generally am glad to include them in things, I do resent my mother trying to force her way into a trip and effectively making my present not about me but her seeing my sister. Plus, I see my parents 6-7 days a week now, and I see most of these friends a few days at a time tops, maybe once or twice a year since I moved.
I was really looking forward to a getaway for uninterrupted quality time with friends I rarely get to see, and as much as I enjoy my parents and their company, that's simply not what this trip is for, and we don't need to do absolutely everything together. It's a weekend getaway Fri night to Sunday morning. We rented a cabin, and we're all doing a race Saturday morning. My parents initially talked about crashing the race which I guess I couldn't really object to. It's a big open outdoor festival anyone can go to while people race in various timeslots throughout the day, and it seemed silly to "ban" them. Then my mothers plans kept encroaching more and more, though, toward crashing the cabin for a while, etc. "but my daughter is there!" It's this weekend, and this needs to be resolved. I've 95% resigned myself to calling my mother on the way home from work to "disinvite" her although she was never properly invited to begin with! After she decided they were included I was too caught off guard/nice to outright say "Hell no!", and I made the mistake of being like "well, I guess you can come to the race, if you want, that makes sense. You won't really get to see us much since we're running, though." Part of the problem and further complicating things is I wasn't present when my wife told my parents about my gift, so I don't know exactly what she said or what they heard. I believe that my wife didn't invite them, of course, but I can't discuss specific details with them to explain how they misunderstood.
Ugh. Now, I'm in the awkward position of compromising my trip while feeling resentful and railroaded by my mother for how it came about or having a very awkward conversation that will upset my parents. My mom is overly sensitive and emotionally overreacts to everything, anyway, but I feel bad for my dad being collateral damage as I'm sure he is genuinely confused and thinks the invitation was extended to them. My wife feels like its the equivalent of my mom snatching her Christmas gift to me out of my hands, opening it and sharing it with my sister while she and I watch on. If I say nothing, my wife and I will be upset. If I do, my parents will be upset and I'm likely to have an emotional nuke to deal with. As it is, I'm too stressed out about it all to even be excited about my trip. It doesn't help that while this was planned months ago, my Dad's birthday was this week (already passed and celebrated), and I feel bad objecting since they moved up here to babysit our kid for us.
Sorry to vent. There is just no painless outcome that I can see here.
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Post by DE Sinclair on Apr 8, 2015 11:19:16 GMT -5
I think you're right, there's no painless way out of this. The only thing I can suggest is to try explaining how you feel to your parents the way you explained it here (how the trip was a Christmas/birthday present your wife planned for you months ago, etc). Explain that they are welcome to go to the race since that's a public event, but the rest of the trip is for you. Probably still won't be received well, but the alternative is to ruin the trip for you and to risk resentment on your wife's part toward your parents, which is never good.
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Post by impulse on Apr 8, 2015 13:07:14 GMT -5
I think you're right, there's no painless way out of this. The only thing I can suggest is to try explaining how you feel to your parents the way you explained it here (how the trip was a Christmas/birthday present your wife planned for you months ago, etc). Explain that they are welcome to go to the race since that's a public event, but the rest of the trip is for you. Probably still won't be received well, but the alternative is to ruin the trip for you and to risk resentment on your wife's part toward your parents, which is never good. Yeah, I think you're right, and that seems to be consensus of most people I've asked. You're the first to hit on the bolded part, though, and I think that might actually be the most important part. Up until last night, I didn't realize the significance of it as much as I should have as she would say things like "Well, it's not what I intended, but it's your trip, so do what you want" yet she still seemed upset. She explained the Christmas gift analogy last night, which makes perfect sense, and it finally hit me that while it's my gift, it's her trip, too. These are some of OUR best friends, not just mine, and she put this whole thing together, and she is the type who values experiences over things, so it really truly is like having her gift to me snatched, and frankly, this was one of my all time favorite gifts, too. My parents have never much understood formalities that I have seen, and especially my mother. She does not understand social cues at all, and she is also extremely sensitive and takes everything personally, even the most polite constructive criticism, and amplifies it tenfold, so that no one can say anything to her lest they deal with emotional fallout. I haven't lived in the same city as them for 15 years until last month, and this type of scenario is precisely one of the concerns I had. Ah, well. The conversation needs to happen. With them living here now and being our daytime babysitters, I absolutely need to prevent resentment between them and my wife as much as possible and setup some firm boundaries. I'm having an unpleasant conversation tonight. Thanks for listening and chiming in.
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Post by DE Sinclair on Apr 8, 2015 13:17:44 GMT -5
I think you're right, there's no painless way out of this. The only thing I can suggest is to try explaining how you feel to your parents the way you explained it here (how the trip was a Christmas/birthday present your wife planned for you months ago, etc). Explain that they are welcome to go to the race since that's a public event, but the rest of the trip is for you. Probably still won't be received well, but the alternative is to ruin the trip for you and to risk resentment on your wife's part toward your parents, which is never good. Yeah, I think you're right, and that seems to be consensus of most people I've asked. You're the first to hit on the bolded part, though, and I think that might actually be the most important part. Up until last night, I didn't realize the significance of it as much as I should have as she would say things like "Well, it's not what I intended, but it's your trip, so do what you want" yet she still seemed upset. She explained the Christmas gift analogy last night, which makes perfect sense, and it finally hit me that while it's my gift, it's her trip, too. These are some of OUR best friends, not just mine, and she put this whole thing together, and she is the type who values experiences over things, so it really truly is like having her gift to me snatched, and frankly, this was one of my all time favorite gifts, too. My parents have never much understood formalities that I have seen, and especially my mother. She does not understand social cues at all, and she is also extremely sensitive and takes everything personally, even the most polite constructive criticism, and amplifies it tenfold, so that no one can say anything to her lest they deal with emotional fallout. I haven't lived in the same city as them for 15 years until last month, and this type of scenario is precisely one of the concerns I had. Ah, well. The conversation needs to happen. With them living here now and being our daytime babysitters, I absolutely need to prevent resentment between them and my wife as much as possible and setup some firm boundaries. I'm having an unpleasant conversation tonight. Thanks for listening and chiming in. Happy to try to help. You and your wife are in it (meaning everything) together and she's the #1 person you have to keep happy. If you can keep the rest of your family happy too, that's a bonus, but not your biggest concern. I've had 31 years of marriage to teach me that.
Best of luck, though I don't envy the conversation you're going to have. I can sympathize with how you describe your mother, because that's similar to how my mother was. Plus she also had a heaping helping of insane jealousy regarding anything and anyone. Few conversations with her ever went well.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Apr 8, 2015 13:46:15 GMT -5
Hope it goes as smooth as possible Impulse.
I am thankful that in my 15 years of marriage my wife or folks have never intentionally or unintentionally threw me in the middle like that. Cause yes, they gave me life, but you're not going to win over my wife and boys. Just as I never felt they ever put me second to anyone else when I was a child too. At least intentionally.
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Post by impulse on Apr 8, 2015 15:34:45 GMT -5
Happy to try to help. You and your wife are in it (meaning everything) together and she's the #1 person you have to keep happy. If you can keep the rest of your family happy too, that's a bonus, but not your biggest concern. I've had 31 years of marriage to teach me that. Wow, 31 years! That's fantastic. And you're absolutely right. Ugggh, I can almost feel the crushing anxiety from here. Hope it goes as smooth as possible Impulse. I am thankful that in my 15 years of marriage my wife or folks have never intentionally or unintentionally threw me in the middle like that. Cause yes, they gave me life, but you're not going to win over my wife and boys. Just as I never felt they ever put me second to anyone else when I was a child too. At least intentionally. Thanks. Yeah, I am really irritated at being stuck in the middle like this. My wife is flabbergasted and has no idea how they got the impression they were being invited from what she said to them. She is from the South where an invitation is a very specific, intentional thing. If I had been present I might be able to translate and at least understand where the confusion came in, but it doesn't matter at the end of the day. And yeah, they gave me life, but that's not carte blanche to run rampant over any and all desires I have as an adult. And like you said, they didn't give my wife or my kid life. Granted, they are babysitting my kid for which we are tremendously thankful and appreciative, but that doesn't mean they own me. If it did i'd find a way to pay for daycare or squeeze every penny so my wife can stay home with the baby. Not to paint my parents as tyrants because they're not by any stretch of the imagination, but that sort of situation would be unacceptable.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Apr 8, 2015 16:02:05 GMT -5
Thanks. Yeah, I am really irritated at being stuck in the middle like this. My wife is flabbergasted and has no idea how they got the impression they were being invited from what she said to them. She is from the South where an invitation is a very specific, intentional thing. If I had been present I might be able to translate and at least understand where the confusion came in, but it doesn't matter at the end of the day. And yeah, they gave me life, but that's not carte blanche to run rampant over any and all desires I have as an adult. And like you said, they didn't give my wife or my kid life. Granted, they are babysitting my kid for which we are tremendously thankful and appreciative, but that doesn't mean they own me. If it did i'd find a way to pay for daycare or squeeze every penny so my wife can stay home with the baby. Not to paint my parents as tyrants because they're not by any stretch of the imagination, but that sort of situation would be unacceptable. I was going back and forth at deleting my comment, cause I kept thinking, it sounds like I was blowing off your situation, or that I was putting your folks down. But glad you saw it as I intended it to be, merely unable to really give you any real advice cause I've not yet been in that situation. At least not between my folks and my wife. :thumb:
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Post by impulse on Apr 8, 2015 16:25:37 GMT -5
Oh, I'm glad you didn't delete it! It didn't sound like you were blowing it off at all. I don't mean to dump on them, either, as they are generally fantastic in most ways. My mom is just crazy about certain things, and my poor dad gets some splash damage as a result. Wait, I should save that kind of talk for the video game thread.
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 8, 2015 17:55:36 GMT -5
I don't know where this info would go but, I read that Roger Slifer died on March 30th.
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Post by impulse on Apr 8, 2015 22:22:23 GMT -5
Welp, this is horrifically embarrassing. I've been so stressed out lately and dreading the conversation that I kind of fumbled my words on the call, and instead of asking my parents their intention first I started with the shpiel. Apparently they only planned to attend the race only and weren't going to crash the party and where did I even get that idea etc. Sheesh. Ugghh. Lesson learned. Make a point to get all of the facts and details straightened out first before having any potentially loaded conversations, especially if I'm not present for the initial conversation that started any confusion that needs straightening. My wife feels bad because she knows her annoyance and our conversations about it amped things up so I probably felt more strongly than I normally would have, and in my defense, while my mother was apparently innocent this time, it was a VERY plausible scenario! I feel dumb. I think the stress of having a new infant is weighing on me more than I realized consciously. Anyway, going to have cookies, some scotch, and play some video games to clear my head. What a week.
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Post by hondobrode on Apr 9, 2015 0:32:11 GMT -5
I don't know where this info would go but, I read that Roger Slifer died on March 30th. Yeah I saw that too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 1:11:44 GMT -5
I don't know where this info would go but, I read that Roger Slifer died on March 30th. Yeah I saw that too. I posted a mention and a link to the obit in this thread back on the 30th here but it got lost in the food and storm discussions going on then.... -M
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Post by the4thpip on Apr 9, 2015 6:32:47 GMT -5
Welp, this is horrifically embarrassing. I've been so stressed out lately and dreading the conversation that I kind of fumbled my words on the call, and instead of asking my parents their intention first I started with the shpiel. Apparently they only planned to attend the race only and weren't going to crash the party and where did I even get that idea etc. Sheesh. Ugghh. Lesson learned. Make a point to get all of the facts and details straightened out first before having any potentially loaded conversations, especially if I'm not present for the initial conversation that started any confusion that needs straightening. My wife feels bad because she knows her annoyance and our conversations about it amped things up so I probably felt more strongly than I normally would have, and in my defense, while my mother was apparently innocent this time, it was a VERY plausible scenario! I feel dumb. I think the stress of having a new infant is weighing on me more than I realized consciously. Anyway, going to have cookies, some scotch, and play some video games to clear my head. What a week. The good news is you just learned your parents are more considerate than you thought they were.
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Post by DE Sinclair on Apr 9, 2015 7:43:10 GMT -5
Welp, this is horrifically embarrassing. I've been so stressed out lately and dreading the conversation that I kind of fumbled my words on the call, and instead of asking my parents their intention first I started with the shpiel. Apparently they only planned to attend the race only and weren't going to crash the party and where did I even get that idea etc. Sheesh. Ugghh. Lesson learned. Make a point to get all of the facts and details straightened out first before having any potentially loaded conversations, especially if I'm not present for the initial conversation that started any confusion that needs straightening. My wife feels bad because she knows her annoyance and our conversations about it amped things up so I probably felt more strongly than I normally would have, and in my defense, while my mother was apparently innocent this time, it was a VERY plausible scenario! I feel dumb. I think the stress of having a new infant is weighing on me more than I realized consciously. Anyway, going to have cookies, some scotch, and play some video games to clear my head. What a week. The good news is you just learned your parents are more considerate than you thought they were. Glad to hear it worked out ok. And having a new baby does add considerable stress to both of you, so let yourselves off the hook for this one. Hope the scotch and cookies helped.
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