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Post by Roquefort Raider on Feb 23, 2017 13:25:00 GMT -5
Before anyone says "we call it pop over here", please don't forget we now have a dedicated thread on the subject!!!
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Post by hondobrode on Feb 23, 2017 13:42:06 GMT -5
I remember having to register and I graduated hs in '84.
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Feb 23, 2017 15:06:40 GMT -5
Asking for a friend? It depends if I wanted to be malicious to my wife and daughters. If I didn't, then it would be very difficult for me to do so. In the event I took leave of my compassion for my family, it actually would be relatively easy for me to do this. I do all of the financial management for us, so I could drain all bank accounts, IRAs, kids' college funds, and 401(k)s over a short period of time, as well as get access to bank accounts that I co-own with my mother for legal reasons. These actions would provide me a considerable amount of cash with which to disappear, and I know people who know people, so setting up a new identity would be little trouble at all. Within a month, I could be a brand new person in a brand new place, able to start earning money while still having reserves to live off of, and as I don't need much, so I could get by on relatively little income for the rest of my life. Not that I've ever thought about something like this before... Yes, a very good friend. As for your response, if you did take money with you wouldn't it arouse suspicion that you went and started a new life? I guess what I had in mind would be to essentially vanish without a trace without known cause or reason. So touching financials would be out of the question. There is a man based out of my neck of the woods that may have done this. Of course he had a boat. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Gray_(computer_scientist)There is also a crazy theory about it on Reddit: www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/5nbr0g/did_jim_gray_fake_his_death_and_post_about_it_on/There is an old guy who lives in a caravan ( which at the time relevant to my story was just a busted van parked up next to a shed) approx 5 minutes from the small town I live near (coincidentally approx 5 mins away) whose neighbors were convinced he was Lord Lucan, a British Lord who disappeared in the 60s or 70s (I believe, too lazy to fact check) and had harassed him about this for years. Convinced enough that when a TV series about "Neighbors At War" came about they were featured. Neddless to say the good folk at work have NOT forgotten, some 8 - 10 years later.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Feb 23, 2017 15:15:19 GMT -5
Bureaucracies don't change course quickly. I don't remember the answers to your questions, so I looked it up: www.sss.gov/About/History-And-Records/lotter1"The last draft call was on December 7, 1972, and the authority to induct expired on June 30, 1973. The date of the last drawing for the lottery was on March 12, 1975. Registration with the Selective Service System was suspended on April 1, 1975, and registrant processing was suspended on January 27, 1976." Amazing. I had always assumed that the draft lottery had ended sometime in 1973, following the signing of the Paris Peace Accord. Did you know any guys your age or maybe slightly older who served in Vietnam, Rob? I don't believe we have any Vietnam vets in this forum, but I'm fascinated by the war (as I am with all things '60s and early '70s), so anything you can recall about any aspect of it in your day to day life would be interesting to hear. Same goes for anyone else reading this who may have Vietnam War stories from older relatives or whoever. Would love to hear them. I turned 18 in 1972 and the draft lotteries and call-up was still in effect. I was a bonafide long-haired hippie at that time and there was no way on earth I was going to find myself going to Vietnam. I was always opposed to the War and what with us slowly pulling out our troops, I wasn't going to be one of the last to go in. I mulled over all the possibilities of avoiding it. Canada, jail time, living underground, shooting off my toes etc. I went through the registration and physical exam-no sense to do something drastic until the last moment I will always remember the night of the draft lottery. My friends who were in jeopardy and myself sat in my bedroom listening to the radio station that was carrying the live proceedings of the lottery. It went by your date of birth. They were randomly picking dates one by one. It was reported (I'm guessing here) the first 50 dates would be immediately inducted. The next 100 would be on standby status. The balance are out of danger. You can't imagine the sweat and tension listening to those dates read over the radio at a slow pace. After the first 50 and none of us named, we let out the biggest cheer you can imagine. After the next 100 and we were all still safe, we were jumping up and down like we were standing on hot plates. Then we capped it off by getting good and plastered My toes are still attached and they are very thankful
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Post by Confessor on Feb 23, 2017 17:54:43 GMT -5
^^ Wonderful story, Ish, thanks for sharing. I can only imagine how awful and scary the draft must've been for people like yourself. Glad you and your friends got away with it.
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Post by Rob Allen on Feb 23, 2017 18:55:01 GMT -5
I turned 18 in December '74, and things were much less tense by that time. I vaguely remember that I got a high number in the lottery, so I was pretty safe already, and then they suspended the whole Selective Service system, so I tucked the draft card away and didn't think about it again.
That year or the next, I was on the fencing team in college and admired a headband that a teammate was wearing. I asked where he got it and he replied, "Vietnam." We never talked much about it, but I think he was the first vet I met. Around that time I also met someone who'd been at Kent State when the shooting happened.
I didn't meet my wife until decades later, but she's told me about what she was doing then. She's older that I am, so when I was starting high school, she was leaving her first husband in Delaware. She moved to Berkeley in '69 and lived the hippie life for a couple of years. Her boyfriends were chemists at the University who cooked up LSD, DMT, MDA etc. in their spare time. After they were busted, she decided to learn more about how American society worked, and also to get herself an income and a pension - so she joined the Air Force. Since she was older and had a degree, she went in as an officer. Her first job after OCS was in the office that coordinated moving people and cargo around the Pacific. They didn't have enough planes for the Air Force to handle it all, so they contracted with civilian airlines. She, as a second lieutenant in her first year, was dealing with vice presidents of United, Delta, Pan Am etc. She loved the work, and the fact that she was paid the same as men of the same rank, but she didn't like the fact that girdles were still part of the required uniform, or that her first boss demanded sexual favors. She never left the US, but she still qualifies as a Vietnam-era veteran.
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Post by hondobrode on Feb 24, 2017 0:20:45 GMT -5
Driving home from the Minnesota border and should've been home around 7:30.
The blizzard started ahead of schedule so I didn't get home til 10:15.
I was about 20 cars deep in a caravan most of the way usually going about 20 mph.
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Feb 24, 2017 3:25:23 GMT -5
So heres a dilemma.
Today my 1 yr old Rottie Odin attacked a neighbors sheep, ripping its neck, but not fatal. We helped her move the sheep, called a vet, and naturally are paying the bill. The law here is a little ambiguous, but if we involved the police(which even the neighbor is not interested in doing) there is a good chance he could be destroyed.
However, our property is well fenced, our dog was on our side of the fence, and the sheep had her head through the fence (because the grass literally IS greener in this case). All points the neighbor agrees with, by the way.
Do I do what I suspect Im obligated to, and notify the police/council, or do I hope this is isolated, and that with the modifications we intend to make to the fence tomorrow, put this behind us.
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 24, 2017 5:08:19 GMT -5
So heres a dilemma. Today my 1 yr old Rottie Odin attacked a neighbors sheep, ripping its neck, but not fatal. We helped her move the sheep, called a vet, and naturally are paying the bill. The law here is a little ambiguous, but if we involved the police(which even the neighbor is not interested in doing) there is a good chance he could be destroyed. However, our property is well fenced, our dog was on our side of the fence, and the sheep had her head through the fence (because the grass literally IS greener in this case). All points the neighbor agrees with, by the way. Do I do what I suspect Im obligated to, and notify the police/council, or do I hope this is isolated, and that with the modifications we intend to make to the fence tomorrow, put this behind us. Protect your dog. It wasn't your dogs fault , no sense in having him harmed over something like this .
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 24, 2017 5:09:09 GMT -5
Driving home from the Minnesota border and should've been home around 7:30. The blizzard started ahead of schedule so I didn't get home til 10:15. I was about 20 cars deep in a caravan most of the way usually going about 20 mph. Sounds like a terrible experience, hondo. Glad you're okay.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Feb 24, 2017 5:18:32 GMT -5
So heres a dilemma. Today my 1 yr old Rottie Odin attacked a neighbors sheep, ripping its neck, but not fatal. We helped her move the sheep, called a vet, and naturally are paying the bill. The law here is a little ambiguous, but if we involved the police(which even the neighbor is not interested in doing) there is a good chance he could be destroyed. However, our property is well fenced, our dog was on our side of the fence, and the sheep had her head through the fence (because the grass literally IS greener in this case). All points the neighbor agrees with, by the way. Do I do what I suspect Im obligated to, and notify the police/council, or do I hope this is isolated, and that with the modifications we intend to make to the fence tomorrow, put this behind us. If your neighbor, as the victim of this incident, is not intending to alert the police I don't see why you should be obligated
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Feb 24, 2017 5:27:38 GMT -5
Yeah our feelings too, though we were fully prepared to have him destroyed. Buying more wire for the fence tomorrow and looking to fence off part I'd the property so he has a safe area. Joys of pets.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Feb 24, 2017 9:07:39 GMT -5
So heres a dilemma. Today my 1 yr old Rottie Odin attacked a neighbors sheep, ripping its neck, but not fatal. We helped her move the sheep, called a vet, and naturally are paying the bill. The law here is a little ambiguous, but if we involved the police(which even the neighbor is not interested in doing) there is a good chance he could be destroyed. However, our property is well fenced, our dog was on our side of the fence, and the sheep had her head through the fence (because the grass literally IS greener in this case). All points the neighbor agrees with, by the way. Do I do what I suspect Im obligated to, and notify the police/council, or do I hope this is isolated, and that with the modifications we intend to make to the fence tomorrow, put this behind us. The police and the entire legal system are there to help the population live in as harmonious a way as possible; they are not an end in and of themselves. If you and your neighbour are satisfied with the way you jointly resolved the problem, I'd say that's the end of it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 9:36:44 GMT -5
Driving home from the Minnesota border and should've been home around 7:30. The blizzard started ahead of schedule so I didn't get home til 10:15. I was about 20 cars deep in a caravan most of the way usually going about 20 mph. It would a nightmare to drive in any blizzard - I got caught in a blizzard once driving home from Portland and the 3 hours drive came to a 8 hours nightmare for me 20 years ago. I'm glad that your are okay and safe ...
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Post by Prince Hal on Feb 24, 2017 9:55:14 GMT -5
Driving home from the Minnesota border and should've been home around 7:30. The blizzard started ahead of schedule so I didn't get home til 10:15. I was about 20 cars deep in a caravan most of the way usually going about 20 mph. But -- you're safe. Good news.
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